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Post by Timberwere on Feb 23, 2022 8:04:29 GMT
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Post by flowsthead on Feb 23, 2022 8:15:13 GMT
As like 99% of us called it, Lana had no idea what she was doing. They were just talking? She must have read either fairy tales or romances, nothing tragic or with consequences. She got in over her head.
This also just makes it even clearer that something bad will inevitably happen with the NuBots?/NuMans?. Either Robot or Kat will need to step it up and take a more active leadership role.
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Post by bicarbonat on Feb 23, 2022 8:19:06 GMT
Lou-rrek cleanly sidestepping a "I've seen things you People wouldn't believe..." moment.
Ah, the frustration of being secretly, sanctionably prodigious: Gunner's Crag contains more iterations than a matryoshka doll.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Feb 23, 2022 8:21:56 GMT
As like 99% of us called it, Lana had no idea what she was doing. They were just talking? She must have read either fairy tales or romances, nothing tragic or with consequences. She got in over her head. This also just makes it even clearer that something bad will inevitably happen with the NuBots?/NuMans?. Either Robot or Kat will need to step it up and take a more active leadership role. Lana didn't know what might happen after her Powermove? Check. Jerrek is annoyed? Check. I think the library probably only had age-appropriate materials, that wouldn't go further than handholding. |
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Post by madjack on Feb 23, 2022 8:23:52 GMT
Either Robot or Kat will need to step it up and take a more active leadership role. For this particular topic, Juliette and Arthur might be the better teachers, given Juliette's greater relationship experience and their intimate relationship with each other. |
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Post by flowsthead on Feb 23, 2022 8:29:24 GMT
Either Robot or Kat will need to step it up and take a more active leadership role. For this particular topic, Juliette and Arthur might be the better teachers, given Juliette's greater relationship experience and their intimate relationship with each other. Arthur works since he was the first one to get a body, but Juliette might be considered an outsider? Although, who knows, they might be receptive to anyone that takes an interest in teaching them, which in itself might be a problem. |
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Post by blahzor on Feb 23, 2022 8:51:20 GMT
Why am I just noticing that Loup as Jerrek is talking in a NP speech bubble
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Post by blahzor on Feb 23, 2022 8:53:37 GMT
As like 99% of us called it, Lana had no idea what she was doing. They were just talking? She must have read either fairy tales or romances, nothing tragic or with consequences. She got in over her head. This also just makes it even clearer that something bad will inevitably happen with the NuBots?/NuMans?. Either Robot or Kat will need to step it up and take a more active leadership role. Lana didn't know what might happen after her Powermove? Check. Jerrek is annoyed? Check. I think the library probably only had age-appropriate materials, that wouldn't go further than handholding. The court doesn't seem to be the type to handhold for how freely the teenagers are allowed to be independent (and still tracking their location) |
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Post by csj on Feb 23, 2022 9:27:29 GMT
hand-holding is prohibited
no lewds allowed tyvm
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Post by csj on Feb 23, 2022 9:29:09 GMT
as for library restrictions, given how the robot hq was guarded, I suspect there is a red tape on the ground and a bunch of dorks that goomba out to stop kids from borrowing books they're not allowed to
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 23, 2022 11:04:32 GMT
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Post by ohthatone on Feb 23, 2022 13:02:41 GMT
How exactly is kat keeping the new people hidden from the Court? If there were only a few of them I could see it, but there seems to be a lot of new faces eating up the track suit inventory.
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Post by jocobo on Feb 23, 2022 13:12:35 GMT
How exactly is kat keeping the new people hidden from the Court? If there were only a few of them I could see it, but there seems to be a lot of new faces eating up the track suit inventory. I'm pretty certain the Court knows and just hasn't acted yet for some reason. Maybe too busy with their own plans or they're off scheming in the dark or maybe this benefits them in ways we don't know yet. Look at how long they knew about Annie's cheating before deciding to do anything about it. |
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Post by Polyhymnia on Feb 23, 2022 14:28:35 GMT
In which Loup continues to display his most excellent people skills…
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Post by DonDueed on Feb 23, 2022 14:45:14 GMT
Come on, Loup, make up your mind!
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 23, 2022 16:02:48 GMT
How exactly is kat keeping the new people hidden from the Court? If there were only a few of them I could see it, but there seems to be a lot of new faces eating up the track suit inventory. Some employees may know and not care, because it has nothing to do with the Court's leaving. It probably is on a spreadsheet somewhere. Whether it's hidden under a sea of other relevant data, or it's marked with a "meh"/"hmm" highlight style, is a mystery. |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Feb 23, 2022 16:57:48 GMT
Hang on, the elves have always been written as quite bolshy, heart on sleeve types. What's Loup on about them not being used to someone being forward? Look at Eglamore's elf girlfriend.
Feels like a very clunky way to soften Loup's characterisation. Presumably as a way to make the audience care about his impending "death".
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Post by drmemory on Feb 23, 2022 17:02:07 GMT
Loup is maintaining his Jerrek disguise! This is fascinating. 
He is probably right about Lana being at risk, I'm just not sure how far the elf kids might have gone. There were more of them there than I thought, and the more teenage boys you have in a clump, out looking for trouble, the worse things can go.
Not that it matters too much at this point - Lana is safe, and Jerrek is clearly acting oddly for a pipe maintenance robot, but I really don't think Lana is thinking "Loup in disguise" in the least. And, he really did think he was protecting her! What will happen next???
Maybe it's time for Loup to ask Ysengrin to explain. I have a feeling that Loup is currently learning something Coyote wants him to learn.
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Post by drmemory on Feb 23, 2022 17:06:17 GMT
Hang on, the elves have always been written as quite bolshy, heart on sleeve types. What's Loup on about them not being used to someone being forward? Look at Eglamore's elf girlfriend. Feels like a very clunky way to soften Loup's characterisation. Presumably as a way to make the audience care about his impending "death". Not sure about clunky, but maybe this is part of a trajectory to Loup sacrificing himself for others, rather than having to be put down. I mean, he really did try to protect Lana there. That's the most selfless thing we've seen him do by far.
I agree with you about the elves usually being pretty demonstrative with their feelings, but they still may not be used to someone flirting so openly. Which isn't what Lana thought she was doing, clearly - she is still just happy she made a cute body, and has no life experience.
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Post by warrl on Feb 23, 2022 17:12:14 GMT
I think it's probably true that Lana didn't know what she was getting into - but I'm less than 100% convinced of it.
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Post by speedwell on Feb 23, 2022 17:44:41 GMT
Hang on, the elves have always been written as quite bolshy, heart on sleeve types. What's Loup on about them not being used to someone being forward? Look at Eglamore's elf girlfriend. Feels like a very clunky way to soften Loup's characterisation. Presumably as a way to make the audience care about his impending "death". Not sure about clunky, but maybe this is part of a trajectory to Loup sacrificing himself for others, rather than having to be put down. I mean, he really did try to protect Lana there. That's the most selfless thing we've seen him do by far.
I agree with you about the elves usually being pretty demonstrative with their feelings, but they still may not be used to someone flirting so openly. Which isn't what Lana thought she was doing, clearly - she is still just happy she made a cute body, and has no life experience.
Loup may be a dreadful idiot about many things, but survival skills are his top competency. We aren't sure exactly why Lana's survival is something he needs, but he is clearly furious with her for being a babe in the woods. As for Loup himself, what we have here is an important clue that he incorrectly projects animal social interaction instincts on humans (elves are broadly human). This is likely to be a crucial factor in his eventual downfall (or redemption, depending on how things turn out). |
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Post by mochakimono on Feb 23, 2022 18:38:01 GMT
As like 99% of us called it, Lana had no idea what she was doing. They were just talking? She must have read either fairy tales or romances, nothing tragic or with consequences. She got in over her head. This also just makes it even clearer that something bad will inevitably happen with the NuBots?/NuMans?. Either Robot or Kat will need to step it up and take a more active leadership role. Lana didn't know what might happen after her Powermove? Check. Jerrek is annoyed? Check. I think the library probably only had age-appropriate materials, that wouldn't go further than handholding. Even a lot of fairly adult material tends to just "fade to black" at the precipice of naughtiness, under the assumptions its readers would understand what was going on in the time-skip between "our eyes met over the candlelight..." and "...the next morning, as I prepared us breakfast..." I can see that going right over her head. It's also possible that, depending on how completely literally a robot might take something they read, she's read sex scenes so caked in metaphor and euphemism she had no idea that's what they were. Something like, "our souls intertwined on into the night..." says nothing about the, uh, actual mechanics of the activity after all. New People definitely need some courses on Humanity 101. In this way they share parallels with the faeries and animals who became people, lacking knowledge of the nuances of human social interactions. |
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Post by artezzatrigger on Feb 23, 2022 18:44:52 GMT
Yeah, it's definitely far from a likely thing that this is for altruistic reasons.
To summarize what's been said already:
- He could just be preserving his pawn
- His "mask" could be influencing him
- As something somewhat animalistic this kind of suicidal action could just REALLY annoy him
This could easily take a turn somewhere, but until he starts having some internal conflict I'm just gonna assume its too early for it.
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Post by manabi on Feb 23, 2022 19:19:10 GMT
How exactly is kat keeping the new people hidden from the Court? If there were only a few of them I could see it, but there seems to be a lot of new faces eating up the track suit inventory. I'm pretty certain the Court knows and just hasn't acted yet for some reason. Maybe too busy with their own plans or they're off scheming in the dark or maybe this benefits them in ways we don't know yet. Look at how long they knew about Annie's cheating before deciding to do anything about it. Kat's workshop is in a yellow zone, which have limited access. Her computer lets her take control of the trains and travel there secretly. It's possible regular court employees haven't noticed anything, either because they don't have access to the area or they have so much other stuff to worry about (the tree, forest creatures, etc.) that no one's bothering to patrol the yellow & red zones. The Shadow Men were keeping an eye on Kat specifically, so they would have found out, but they clearly keep secrets from the main court and may not have told anyone else. |
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Post by pinegreenjellybean on Feb 23, 2022 19:45:48 GMT
Hang on, the elves have always been written as quite bolshy, heart on sleeve types. What's Loup on about them not being used to someone being forward? Look at Eglamore's elf girlfriend. Feels like a very clunky way to soften Loup's characterisation. Presumably as a way to make the audience care about his impending "death". Seconded on just about everything. I remember when Idra first showed up after her night with Eggers and didn't seem at all embarrassed by her near nudity, which didn't fit with what we saw of the elf cultures in Annie in The Forest. In general, I feel like there is an issue with the elves not having consistent characterization as a culture. I also think it's too soon to soften Loup's character. We met Lana a chapter ago, a few pages ago had Loup calling her annoying, and now he seems to be developing a soft spot for her. I wouldn't mind if all of this was developed over chapters, but it seems very rushed. |
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Post by speedwell on Feb 23, 2022 19:59:19 GMT
Hang on, the elves have always been written as quite bolshy, heart on sleeve types. What's Loup on about them not being used to someone being forward? Look at Eglamore's elf girlfriend. Feels like a very clunky way to soften Loup's characterisation. Presumably as a way to make the audience care about his impending "death". Seconded on just about everything. I remember when Idra first showed up after her night with Eggers and didn't seem at all embarrassed by her near nudity, which didn't fit with what we saw of the elf cultures in Annie in The Forest. In general, I feel like there is an issue with the elves not having consistent characterization as a culture. I also think it's too soon to soften Loup's character. We met Lana a chapter ago, a few pages ago had Loup calling her annoying, and now he seems to be developing a soft spot for her. I wouldn't mind if all of this was developed over chapters, but it seems very rushed. That means things are certainly not as they appear. For reasons, there are not a few of us who think something is up with Idra, but actually thinking she is literally Coyote seems a bridge way too far. However, we have just seen on the current page that Loup can assume the identity of actual (New)people, so the only remaining hurdle might be whether he can assume the identity of more than one person at the same time. I could go down the rabbit hole of speculating what "the same time" might mean to someone who can manipulate time and produce multiple copies of people, but I think I'll just finish my dinner and watch Great British Menu 😁 |
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Post by Isildur on Feb 23, 2022 19:59:57 GMT
Seconded on just about everything. I remember when Idra first showed up after her night with Eggers and didn't seem at all embarrassed by her near nudity, which didn't fit with what we saw of the elf cultures in Annie in The Forest. In general, I feel like there is an issue with the elves not having consistent characterization as a culture. Some of it may be explicable as the elves, like humans, varying to a great degree. |
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Post by fia on Feb 23, 2022 21:06:59 GMT
I dunno though, what if Lana DID know what she was doing? Maybe she knows flirting sometimes involves touching and thinks you can flirt-talk without danger. Or what if she IS interested in sex? She's a New Person, not a human, from Arthur we know they have some non-biological analogues of genitalia, and who knows what sorts of experiences former robots are interested in trying out.
I don't say this because I think it's true that Lana knew what she was doing, but because it would be an interesting plot twist, where Lana has more agency than Loup or we the readers think because we're infantilizing her a bit as a newly created being when she's actually been around for a while in a different kind of body.
Probably Tom is writing her the standard way, where she's more like a newly created person in a fully developed teenage/adult body and needs to catch up on the cultural side of things, and maybe it means Kat has her work cut out for her with all these new children she will have to figure out how to educate and protect and nurture. But it would be interesting if it went the other way too, imho.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 23, 2022 21:57:19 GMT
Lana wanting the elf kids to pay her lots of attention for being cute and Lana not knowing much/anything about sex on a practical level are not mutually exclusive possibilities.
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Post by mochakimono on Feb 23, 2022 22:32:25 GMT
Something that occurred to me after a bit of thought is how this page in particular brings to mind what it's like when you are young, and like that sort of attention, and you just get generally pretty defensive whenever an older or more authoritative person warns you about treading dangerous waters. She may or may not realize the elves' full intentions or how Action A even connects to Action B, but either way she definitely seems to think she had the situation fully under control. Loup, the identity, is a younger entity than Lana counting her existence as a robot, but Loup's components certainly have enough combined experience to see how that situation was about to spin out of control without intervention. But youngins never want to hear that they might be foolish, naive, misguided, or what-have-you. I know this having been a stupid youngin in similar situations, and now as an olden going prematurely grey watching young acquaintances do the same stupid things I did that their age.
So obviously the next page is going to be, "YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD! YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ME! YOU'RE RUINING MY LIIIIIFE"
Edit addendum: In addition, some part of his buried Ysengrin brain may be feeling some transferred sense of protectiveness to Foolish Redhead Girl #2. However, whereas Ysengrin gently scolded Annie on her foolishness but quickly followed up with some confidence-building reaffirming, Loup sails straight into yelling insults. Just an observation. Maybe he'll learn something from it by consulting his memories... Or maybe not.
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