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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 14, 2022 8:09:58 GMT
You experienced it, didn't you? [edit] Why? Why u keep eating my links, proboards? [/edit] |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Feb 14, 2022 8:11:20 GMT
Ah, shoot, you got me by a few seconds it seems! I'll delete my thread :-) (damn, I don't know how to delete a thread)
ANYWAYS: of course mr. Elfboy thinks having eyes is a weird thing!
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Post by madjack on Feb 14, 2022 8:17:32 GMT
(damn, I don't know how to delete a thread) Go to your post, use the little gear-icon dropdown menu on the right > delete post. If it's the only post it'll also delete the thread. Anyway, calling that Lana's gonna flirt with the elf guys, and when someone spots Jerrek she'll drop that he fancies Annie. Then Loup gets to speedrun the social mechanics of being a teenager. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 14, 2022 8:17:56 GMT
Delete is in the pulldown under the gear in the upper right corner of the post. Oddly enough, though I think my post is about a minute older I guess since I edited it it briefly showed as newer in discussion before you posted here so I was seconds from deleting my thread.
[edit] Ninja'd by seconds this time. [/edit]
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Post by Igniz on Feb 14, 2022 8:22:40 GMT
- "You're a strange one, like. With them eyes." - "You're not real, right? Like real people." - Well! Then you should check this guy right over here!  " |
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Post by flowsthead on Feb 14, 2022 8:23:50 GMT
Something about Lana is messing with me. Like her aura or art style changes really frequently. I'm not sure I can remember thinking that about any of the other characters. I wonder if it's a new human thing.
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Post by blahzor on Feb 14, 2022 8:25:16 GMT
Got em with the logic of "I'm talking to ya"
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Post by blahzor on Feb 14, 2022 8:31:39 GMT
(damn, I don't know how to delete a thread) Go to your post, use the little gear-icon dropdown menu on the right > delete post. If it's the only post it'll also delete the thread. Anyway, calling that Lana's gonna flirt with the elf guys, and when someone spots Jerrek she'll drop that he fancies Annie. Then Loup gets to speedrun the social mechanics of being a teenager. Lana the type that she finally got a human type body and will flirt with anything humanoid just for the data |
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Post by laaaa on Feb 14, 2022 8:41:04 GMT
What are the chances of Lana ALSO being Loup and having forgotten about it?
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Post by jda on Feb 14, 2022 8:43:56 GMT
What are the chances of Lana ALSO being Loup and having forgotten about it? I'd say 50% |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 14, 2022 8:47:19 GMT
Probably the New People (Cylons?) aren't used to interactions yet and are behaving the way they think humans do, rather than naturally.
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Post by mochakimono on Feb 14, 2022 11:22:12 GMT
New+People should be called Nooples, I vote! /jk
There was a time when Ysengrin was quite embittered over any forest beings going to the Court to assimilate. While I realize Loup kicked all the elves out of the forest, I wonder if he was hoping they'd come crawling back to beg for his patronage again, and perhaps will be unhappy to see them getting along pretty okay in humanlandia while wearing human-made clothes.
My prediction: We see repeatedly Loup's internal raging over all his petty grievances with people who aren't himself, and his anger boils over by the end, possibly culminating in a form reveal. Or they just tell him to eat a Snickers.
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Post by ohthatone on Feb 14, 2022 12:32:08 GMT
Like real people!
Only with lasers. I mean shovels.
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Post by Bo No Bo on Feb 14, 2022 13:17:34 GMT
On THIS episode of Undercover Boss...
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Post by noone3 on Feb 14, 2022 13:40:41 GMT
Well... actually...
Asking newly met person are they real and analysing the answer is most probably basic courtesy and/or survival strategy in the gunnerverse.
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 14, 2022 14:51:40 GMT
She seems legit.
Among the elves, her blunt honesty should actually make her friends.
It'll be interesting to see Loup's inner dialog. Both about her making friends, and the ex-Forest dwellers.
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Post by drmemory on Feb 14, 2022 16:29:06 GMT
What are the chances of Lana ALSO being Loup and having forgotten about it? Or Coyote! |
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Post by mturtle7 on Feb 14, 2022 17:30:49 GMT
Important reminder: robots never lie. The only ones who ever came close were the Seraphs, who have been known to try and hide various locations and activities with deceptive signs...but those, um, were never very effective against non-robots.
No idea if this still applies to the New People, but even if they're technically capable of deception now they're probably kind of out of practice. Hence, Lana's "Hi! Did you know we're doing secret stuff?" attitude.
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Post by knowit on Feb 14, 2022 18:05:37 GMT
I'm really liking this chapter so far. Loup is one of my favorite characters, so getting to see more of him is a definite plus. He's such a bratty little kid, and I'm super glad he's finally meeting new people and making friends, instead of just coasting off Coyote and Ysegrin's existing friendships.
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 14, 2022 18:13:15 GMT
Okay. Seeing how even those elf kids know about the operation (and Lana flexing those abysmal robot skills at deception) there is no way in hell the Court is not aware of what is going on. The question is just, why does it not seem to care?
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Post by flowsthead on Feb 14, 2022 20:40:31 GMT
Important reminder: robots never lie. The only ones who ever came close were the Seraphs, who have been known to try and hide various locations and activities with deceptive signs...but those, um, were never very effective against non-robots.
No idea if this still applies to the New People, but even if they're technically capable of deception now they're probably kind of out of practice. Hence, Lana's "Hi! Did you know we're doing secret stuff?" attitude.
Doesn't Robot lie though? Even if you count it as a lie of omission, Robot's actions during Torn Sea are deceitful and manipulative. As they gain more human emotions I imagine that all of the New Robots would also be capable of lying. |
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Post by davidm on Feb 14, 2022 21:59:24 GMT
Okay. Seeing how even those elf kids know about the operation (and Lana flexing those abysmal robot skills at deception) there is no way in hell the Court is not aware of what is going on. The question is just, why does it not seem to care? Court probably likes what is happening and is trying to encourage more, "not seeming to care" helps with that. (If they can watch Anthony hidden far away from court, they can obviously watch a large group in an area that they normally would watch carefully anyways for invasions from forest monsters, lead by a Kat and Annie that seem to be in centre of many big events) |
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Post by Runningflame on Feb 15, 2022 1:17:36 GMT
"Oh, I'm real--real enough to defeat you!" Wait, wrong story. |
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Post by blahzor on Feb 15, 2022 5:12:25 GMT
What are the chances of Lana ALSO being Loup and having forgotten about it? Think it's more likely Coyote in the form of a memory locked away this way he can keep seeing how the world goes when he's dead |
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Post by laaaa on Feb 15, 2022 9:00:52 GMT
What are the chances of Lana ALSO being Loup and having forgotten about it? Think it's more likely Coyote in the form of a memory locked away this way he can keep seeing how the world goes when he's dead Doesn't that... defy the point of dying? |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 15, 2022 12:02:20 GMT
Think it's more likely Coyote in the form of a memory locked away this way he can keep seeing how the world goes when he's dead Doesn't that... defy the point of dying? Coyote wanted the experience of dying. And he already hid parts of himself away to see what happened after his death.
Okay. Seeing how even those elf kids know about the operation (and Lana flexing those abysmal robot skills at deception) there is no way in hell the Court is not aware of what is going on. The question is just, why does it not seem to care? Court probably likes what is happening and is trying to encourage more, "not seeming to care" helps with that. What would the Court like about its menial workforce being turned into independent almost-humans? |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Feb 15, 2022 13:01:21 GMT
Well... actually... Asking newly met person are they real and analysing the answer is most probably basic courtesy and/or survival strategy in the gunnerverse. "Hey, I know I just met you, but... could you point at all the pictures with traffic lights in this grid?" |
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Post by mturtle7 on Feb 15, 2022 18:18:12 GMT
Important reminder: robots never lie. The only ones who ever came close were the Seraphs, who have been known to try and hide various locations and activities with deceptive signs...but those, um, were never very effective against non-robots.
No idea if this still applies to the New People, but even if they're technically capable of deception now they're probably kind of out of practice. Hence, Lana's "Hi! Did you know we're doing secret stuff?" attitude.
Doesn't Robot lie though? Even if you count it as a lie of omission, Robot's actions during Torn Sea are deceitful and manipulative. As they gain more human emotions I imagine that all of the New Robots would also be capable of lying. That's a pretty good point, actually! As a former Seraph, Robot might be kind of special, and he certainly never lied to anyone's face, but his actions definitely show that robots are a lot more capable of deceit than I was giving them credit for. Maybe Lana is just being Lana, after all.
Incidentally, about the question of "why isn't the Court reacting to all this"...I'm actually going to throw out a(nother) controversial opinion and say that they genuinely don't know about it yet. Sure, they've shown off some pretty damn impressive mass surveillance technology in the past, but I think that as long as you know about it, it's all quite avoidable. Tony was able to make his whole house bug-free, and even Jack, a teenage student, was able to evade the Shadow Men for weeks. And not only is Juliette intimately familiar with the surveillance tech the Shadow Men use, she can actually mess around within their system, so even if stuff does pick up the New People's operation she can just delete the records.
Probably the most impressive thing we've seen the Court do in terms of intelligence gathering was to track down Tony in the middle of nowhere...but then again, conducting a months-long operation to find a single former employee who's gotten himself in a bad way is very different from passively picking up some unusual activity you weren't looking for, would never expect, and wouldn't actually understand even if you did notice it happening. Plus, I'd imagine that any per-existing surveillance they had in that region would have been pretty damn messed up by Loup's earthen flood, and with everything going on with Aata, the Headmaster, the plan to move, etc., there's no way they had the time or interest necessary to restore it. |
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Post by blahzor on Feb 15, 2022 19:46:47 GMT
Doesn't that... defy the point of dying? Coyote wanted the experience of dying. And he already hid parts of himself away to see what happened after his death. Court probably likes what is happening and is trying to encourage more, "not seeming to care" helps with that. What would the Court like about its menial workforce being turned into independent almost-humans? And seeing how people know he's gone this once with the goose bone no one would think he'd do it again but bigger in the form of Lana. One because of giggles, two for chaos, three because Lana feels chaotic neutral at best And it could be the he even tricked himself thing all over again |
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Post by drmemory on Feb 15, 2022 20:23:57 GMT
Okay. Seeing how even those elf kids know about the operation (and Lana flexing those abysmal robot skills at deception) there is no way in hell the Court is not aware of what is going on. The question is just, why does it not seem to care? I think this was hinted at in the Shell conversation. The court wants what it wants, and what it wants is to move, away from all the non-humans. Apparently it needs a big chunk of ether energy to do this for some reason. So all else is subservient to this - they aren't even visibly looking for Loup!
There might also be a Llanwellyn factor here. He's apparently finally gotten the position he's always wanted, and I imagine he's consolidating his power and ordering people around. If nothing else, that's another distraction for the court! Like, whatever the Shadow Men normally do, they are probably currently busy jockeying for position and maybe having to reapply for their existing jobs. Instead of doing their jobs, which are known to include surveillance.
Anyway, I'm not sure whether they care or not, but I also think it just isn't high on their list of priorities... and they may not have even deigned to notice yet.
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