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Post by Igniz on Jan 17, 2022 8:08:35 GMT
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Post by madjack on Jan 17, 2022 8:11:34 GMT
Finally.It looks like Juliette's been lied to about exactly what is going on, and why, in her branch of the shadow men and is not happy about that. She and Arthur were researching transfer of consciousness, which perhaps they didn't think was connected to the omega project?
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Post by arf on Jan 17, 2022 8:11:49 GMT
Yon Juliette has a lean and 'someone gon' die!' look.
Come to think of it, has Annie mentioned Omega in the presence of either Juliette or Arthur before?
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Post by aline on Jan 17, 2022 9:15:06 GMT
Come to think of it, has Annie mentioned Omega in the presence of either Juliette or Arthur before? I don't think so... Juliette is close enough with Tony that she trusted him to help with Arthur's body, it would make sense for her to be familiar with his work for the shadow men. She probably knows some things about the omega device. |
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Post by csj on Jan 17, 2022 9:30:59 GMT
Come to think of it, has Annie mentioned Omega in the presence of either Juliette or Arthur before? I don't think so... Juliette is close enough with Tony that she trusted him to help with Arthur's body, it would make sense for her to be familiar with his work for the shadow men. She probably knows some things about the omega device. oh I think she is more than aware, personally |
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Post by arf on Jan 17, 2022 10:15:21 GMT
Igniz, psst! The page number in the title should be 2573, not 2173
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 17, 2022 10:27:03 GMT
So, the whole Court was made for the Omega Device?
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Post by maxptc on Jan 17, 2022 14:20:36 GMT
If we stick with the theory that Omega is an alternative Kat or a device that Kat created and sent back in time, and Omega has postioned the Court as it is, then the whole plan of the Shadowmen could be Kat manipulating the Court/Shadowmen and setting the stage as she wants it for whatever the next step of her research/plan is. Only good news is if thats the case, the end result probably isn't an act of evil or destruction.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jan 17, 2022 15:24:08 GMT
If we stick with the theory that Omega is an alternative Kat or a device that Kat created and sent back in time, and Omega has postioned the Court as it is, then the whole plan of the Shadowmen could be Kat manipulating the Court/Shadowmen and setting the stage as she wants it for whatever the next step of her research/plan is. Only good news is if thats the case, the end result probably isn't an act of evil or destruction. I mean, in case it's Prime Kat, the one that lost her Annie, it might very well be evil. I can imagine THAT Kat wouldn't bat an eye about destroying every universe where an incarnation of Coyote/Ysengrin/Loup exists that she might blame for Annie's death. It would be a bit unclear why she wouldn't be able to timeshift to the proper moment in time to actually have a decent effect. |
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 17, 2022 15:33:03 GMT
Yon Juliette has a lean and 'someone gon' die!' look. Yes, but at whom she is upset? Juliette is close enough with Tony that she trusted him to help with Arthur's body, it would make sense for her to be familiar with his work for the shadow men. She probably knows some things about the omega device. Thus if she found out just now, this would be… rather disconcerting, no? |
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Post by quinnr on Jan 17, 2022 16:09:23 GMT
Interesting! I find the recent discussion curious in light of the fact that the Court was supposedly only able to exist due to some sort of etheric intervention in the form of the Seed Bismuth. (Although the details are hazy, since those pesky wisps are always mixing truth with lies.) I wonder if the Omega Device is somehow connected—either as a way to disconnect the court from its reliance on the ether or perhaps as some part of a plan to redevelop somewhere else. I wonder if we'll get answers in the coming pages or not. As a member of the Shadow Men, I'd think Juliette would at least wait until Shell is out of the room to blurt anything out. I'd assume anything Shell hears will make it back to Aata, at the very least! |
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Post by lisanela on Jan 17, 2022 16:12:11 GMT
Yeah Annie, go ask your dad, so he can break his record of speedrunning to some weather station without shoes.
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Post by atteSmythe on Jan 17, 2022 16:30:36 GMT
Wow! That is some look, Juliette
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Post by maxptc on Jan 17, 2022 16:30:57 GMT
Yeah Annie, go ask your dad, so he can break his record of speedrunning to some weather station without shoes. I'm more thinking the Rey breakout. Annie-"Father, what is Omega" Tony-"One sentence answer that explains everything" Annie-"Oh" Tony-"Any other questions? Good day then" |
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Post by jda on Jan 17, 2022 18:38:24 GMT
I somehow think Omega should not be discussed in front of Annie and friends. Like maybe the Court (Annie? Kat?) has some hidden power/deity inside that's trapped for good, but taling about it will awaken it, or something.
So, the first rule about the Omega Device is you do not talk about the Omega Device
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Post by basser on Jan 17, 2022 19:11:45 GMT
From now on I'm going to swap "Tony's spreadsheets" for "Omega Device" and see how long it keeps working.
"The Court. The plan to leave. It's all for Tony's spreadsheets."
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Post by Runningflame on Jan 17, 2022 19:29:39 GMT
Yeah Annie, go ask your dad, so he can break his record of speedrunning to some weather station without shoes. I'm more thinking the Rey breakout. Annie-"Father, what is Omega" Tony-"It is man's endeavour to become God" Annie-"Oh" Tony-"Any other questions? Good day then" |
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Post by nero on Jan 17, 2022 19:37:04 GMT
Do you think Anthony has been working on the Omega device since he was young, around that time he got together with Surma? I thought the omega device would be something that removes the ether entirely. But then Anthony would be glad to work on it during Surma's pregnancy if it could save her. So now I'm not sure what the omega device is for. It almost seems like it's a device that dictates the Court's actions by telling them what's possible with calculations.
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Post by aline on Jan 17, 2022 20:11:33 GMT
Do you think Anthony has been working on the Omega device since he was young, around that time he got together with Surma? I thought the omega device would be something that removes the ether entirely. But then Anthony would be glad to work on it during Surma's pregnancy if it could save her. So now I'm not sure what the omega device is for. It almost seems like it's a device that dictates the Court's actions by telling them what's possible with calculations. But that doesn't help us much. Even is if the omega device is something that can remove the ether, it doesn't mean it can be applied to a person. And removing the ether from someone like Surma might just as soon kill her than save her. |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Jan 18, 2022 1:06:01 GMT
On the last page I said that I am glad someone of the Shadow Men is finally speaking up and answering some questions.
I would like to say that I am really glad that Annie is finally asking some questions! Some of these things are new developments, but some have been bouncing around for a very long time. I know she hasn't had time to process the idea that the Shadow Men plan to relocate the entire Court. Which makes me wonder, how many people in the Court know they are expected to pack up all their belongings and move far away? I get the impression this isn't just rent a few lorries and drive out to Birmingham.
This is a huge info-dump onto Annie and friends, but it is also a great chance to demand a few answers.
I am actually very excited to see where the next few pages lead us.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 18, 2022 3:29:03 GMT
On the last page I said that I am glad someone of the Shadow Men is finally speaking up and answering some questions. I would like to say that I am really glad that Annie is finally asking some questions! Some of these things are new developments, but some have been bouncing around for a very long time. I know she hasn't had time to process the idea that the Shadow Men plan to relocate the entire Court. Which makes me wonder, how many people in the Court know they are expected to pack up all their belongings and move far away? I get the impression this isn't just rent a few lorries and drive out to Birmingham. This is a huge info-dump onto Annie and friends, but it is also a great chance to demand a few answers. I am actually very excited to see where the next few pages lead us. I feel sort of the opposite way - the way Shell is talking makes me think that she's not actually going to explain what the Omega Device is, but rather some other information which is indirectly related to it, just like she didn't explain/didn't know what the Court was actually stealing Coyote's power for ("Your dad could explain it better than I could" sounds suspiciously similar to " Aata knows more than I do"). So I actually feel kind of outraged at the idea that a lot of long-awaited exposition is about to get delayed even further, in what I consider to be a rather forced and arbitrary manner.
That said, I'd be quite happy to proven wrong! We'll see over the next couple weeks, I guess.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 18, 2022 3:30:44 GMT
Yeah Annie, go ask your dad, so he can break his record of speedrunning to some weather station without shoes. I'm more thinking the Rey breakout. Annie-"Father, what is Omega" Tony-"One sentence answer that explains everything" Annie-"Oh" Tony-"Any other questions? Good day then" Speaking of a rather forced and arbitrary lack of exposition...
Tony: "Let me explain what the Omega Device is-" Annie: "No, I...understand."
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jan 18, 2022 6:59:58 GMT
Wait, so the Omega device isn't a machine that's being worked on, it's a machine that's been running for a while and recently stopped working?? Am I reading this right?
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Post by Igniz on Jan 18, 2022 9:03:11 GMT
So, the whole Court was made for the Omega Device? The Seed Bismuth is just a means/tool for the Omega Device? The Omega Device benefitted from the Seed Bismuth? The Seed Bismuth evolved into the Omega Device? Seed Bismuth = Omega Device? |
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Post by Gemminie on Jan 18, 2022 15:18:58 GMT
After Shell just offhand mentioned the fact that Kat and Annie are probably going to be split apart, Annie doesn't even pause before asking her about Omega. Has Annie not considered that her best friend might choose to go with the Court? Or is she just trying to get as much information as she can in the limited time she has before something happens to end this conversation?
Shell basically says, "Go ask your dad." Then she tells Annie that the Omega Device is the "basis" for everything and that the entire Court and its plan to leave are all "for" the Omega Device. This can be read to mean either that the Court is really just a mechanism to finish the Omega Device, or that the Omega Device is a machine that rules the entire Court.
And then we focus in on Juliette as Shell says the Omega Device has made everything possible "until recently." First of all, this suggests that the Omega Device actually rules the Court and hands down directives that have always guided it well. Until Recently. Second, Juliette looks astonished at first, then looks angry at the "until recently" part. What does this mean? I'm guessing that there's a directive or two that's been handed down that Juliette didn't like – "no relationships between humans and robots," perhaps? – and now it sounds as if the Omega Device isn't infallible after all. Perhaps it's made mistakes. We know it made at least one error: it said the plan to steal Coyote's powers would work, but it didn't. What other mistakes could it have made? Perhaps some that changed the entire course of Juliette's life?
I imagine next we're going to hear from Juliette about whatever she's unhappy with here. I'm guessing, but it looks like we'll find out pretty soon.
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 19, 2022 10:14:19 GMT
Wait, so the Omega device isn't a machine that's being worked on, it's a machine that's been running for a while and recently stopped working?? Am I reading this right?
From now on I'm going to swap "Tony's spreadsheets" for "Omega Device" and see how long it keeps working. "The Court. The plan to leave. It's all for Tony's spreadsheets." Tony: "They had me out there researching their blasted spreadsheets."
Annie hears about what Eglamore said about her dad: "Did he mention something about my dad's spreadsheets?" "Huh? No. What's that." "Just...something I heard."
Loup: "But there is a word that comes to me... A human word... Spreadsheets?" (Alternatively: "Microsoft Excel?")
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