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Post by justhalf on Dec 27, 2021 8:07:02 GMT
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Post by arf on Dec 27, 2021 8:26:19 GMT
Wait. You mean the Shadow Men* don't know about all this?
* I mean, the women do.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Dec 27, 2021 8:43:22 GMT
Ohh man, I just always assumed this whole thing was sanctioned by the Shadow Men. It never occurred to me that those two might be doing this behind their back
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Post by shinkaii on Dec 27, 2021 10:01:49 GMT
I can't wait for casual Aata! Hawaiian shirt with eggs to match Shell maybe?
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Post by noone3 on Dec 27, 2021 10:29:03 GMT
Ohh man, I just always assumed this whole thing was sanctioned by the Shadow Men. It never occurred to me that those two might be doing this behind their back This makes the Shadow Men the most incompetent Men in Black ever. |
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Post by Alkazar on Dec 27, 2021 10:52:35 GMT
As all good heroes of their stories do Annie and Kat have made it a habit to gather remarkable people around them. |
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 27, 2021 12:19:02 GMT
Must be pretty impressive resources to hide an operation with dozens, if not hundreds of people involved over probably several square kilometers of the Court's own area.
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Post by mochakimono on Dec 27, 2021 13:10:54 GMT
Next page we'll find out the Shadow Men's entire retinue is the entirety that we've seen on-screen at once so far. Like a dozen guys at most, usually hanging out all in the same place at once. That's why it's so easy to operate right under their noses! (Again, I kid...)
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 27, 2021 13:28:26 GMT
Ohh man, I just always assumed this whole thing was sanctioned by the Shadow Men. It never occurred to me that those two might be doing this behind their back This makes the Shadow Men the most incompetent Men in Black ever. Must be pretty impressive resources to hide an operation with dozens, if not hundreds of people involved over probably several square kilometers of the Court's own area. |
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Post by novia on Dec 27, 2021 15:56:09 GMT
Must be pretty impressive resources to hide an operation with dozens, if not hundreds of people involved over probably several square kilometers of the Court's own area. Yes, I was curious if this was perhaps the first mention of money in the Gunnerverse |
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 27, 2021 17:10:35 GMT
Remember what James said about Tony being “in so deep with the Court”? And how Tony was careful to secure the room against surveillance by “them” and discuss whether “the Court knew”? This looks like a case of “turtles all the way down”. So this bunch becomes a normal part of the Court’s power structure: a convoluted cluster of cabals, circles, cliques, clubs, companies, coteries and conspiracies. And now also churches, thanks to minor doctrinal disagreements among the golems. ;] |
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Post by mturtle7 on Dec 27, 2021 17:52:24 GMT
So this bunch becomes a normal part of the Court’s power structure: a convoluted cluster of cabals, circles, cliques, clubs, companies, coteries and conspiracies. And now also churches, thanks to minor doctrinal disagreements among the golems. ;] I've always kinda suspected this was the truth about the Court: that there really is no centralized leadership, and only a loose semblance of a few collective goals and actions (like "let's move away from here eventually" and "let's study how to control ether scientifically"). Some departments have more information and/or resources than others, but none of them know what everyone else is doing, and they all tend to pursue their own projects, consult only the people they absolutely have to in order for those projects to succeed, and even then operate on a "need-to-know" basis. I like to imagine that the people making the Omega Device are only partially in contact with the people manning the etheric power stations, the Shadow Men sometimes receive information and instructions from the Omega Device but don't actually know what it is, the school can call the decontamination department at any time but only know of the Shadow Men by vague rumour, etc., etc. It would honestly fit the evidence we've seen so far of "the Court's" actions pretty well!
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Post by blahzor on Dec 27, 2021 18:27:49 GMT
Must be pretty impressive resources to hide an operation with dozens, if not hundreds of people involved over probably several square kilometers of the Court's own area. Smitty sleeps on property and they luckily never found it |
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Post by lonestarf1 on Dec 27, 2021 18:30:33 GMT
We've also been told that the court is planning on leaving, and a lot of them already have. Which would explain why the court itself is so huge, and yet the majority of the buildings were deserted. Probably not impossible to find a blindspot of even a few kilometers even without the attack. Especially when you've got two Shadowmen helpin' ya do it.
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Post by davidm on Dec 27, 2021 20:07:51 GMT
www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1550 "Like a fool I thought I could escape the courts eye" www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1558 If for no other reason they would watch Annie to control her dad. But Annie and Kat have proven extremely important to watch because so much happens around them and because of them. Even with Loup attack, much easier and more likely for tracking of Kat at court than Tony far away. Maybe not by shadow men but by those above them, we are talking an extreme amount of activity, that is probably very much tied to goals of court. We've already established that forest creatures can die and be transferred into humans, would not be surprising if a bunch of people soon to die of old age would want to be transferred into young bodies that will last potentially forever. Maybe even Diego left behind a copy of his mind waiting for the day when his robot children would grow to point he could be transferred into one and live again. And left behind motivation in his children to accomplish what is finally being accomplished now. Diego could be at the core of the robot religion, we've already seen his legacy in their early religion "she is beautiful, she died and we did nothing", and Kat also a beautiful angel to robots. And then we have Jones, likely the product of time travel dropping her from far in the future, likely a result of Norns/Kat collaboration in future, possible Jones is the future final result of a Diego's plan for bringing back a better Jeannie, and when Kat finally ends up with a future Jeannie/Jones she will understand like TikTok that she has to send Jones back into past to complete the time loop. Jones looks similar to Jeannie with some Kat thrown in. The robot religion may climax with the new people making new Jeannie to fix the "she died and we did nothing" and new Jeannie rejects new Diego and wants her mind wiped. The court wants to become "gods" according to Coyote and Jones is fairly god like, nearly impossible to destroy and lives forever, an "omega"/perfect person/final solution to humanity's mortality.
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Post by maxptc on Dec 27, 2021 21:21:23 GMT
Huh, so Juliette is willing to leave the Shadow men over either Atta or Arizona leaving, perhaps both. I'm even more curious about what the relationship is, it's got to be more then work freinds.
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Post by migrantworker on Dec 27, 2021 22:51:22 GMT
So this bunch becomes a normal part of the Court’s power structure: a convoluted cluster of cabals, circles, cliques, clubs, companies, coteries and conspiracies. And now also churches, thanks to minor doctrinal disagreements among the golems. ;] I've always kinda suspected this was the truth about the Court: that there really is no centralized leadership, and only a loose semblance of a few collective goals and actions (like "let's move away from here eventually" and "let's study how to control ether scientifically"). Some departments have more information and/or resources than others, but none of them know what everyone else is doing, and they all tend to pursue their own projects, consult only the people they absolutely have to in order for those projects to succeed, and even then operate on a "need-to-know" basis. I like to imagine that the people making the Omega Device are only partially in contact with the people manning the etheric power stations, the Shadow Men sometimes receive information and instructions from the Omega Device but don't actually know what it is, the school can call the decontamination department at any time but only know of the Shadow Men by vague rumour, etc., etc. It would honestly fit the evidence we've seen so far of "the Court's" actions pretty well!
You know, that sounds very much like a government. |
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Post by fia on Dec 27, 2021 22:52:49 GMT
Huh, so Juliette is willing to leave the Shadow men over either Atta or Arizona leaving, perhaps both. I'm even more curious about what the relationship is, it's got to be more then work freinds. No, I think Juliette had already made it pretty clear since before that she wanted to leave once she was able to keep Arthur with her: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1851 I imagine she stayed for now to help out with the other robots. |
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Post by blahzor on Dec 27, 2021 23:01:36 GMT
We've also been told that the court is planning on leaving, and a lot of them already have. Which would explain why the court itself is so huge, and yet the majority of the buildings were deserted. Probably not impossible to find a blindspot of even a few kilometers even without the attack. Especially when you've got two Shadowmen helpin' ya do it. Also that at least someone probably told them Loup is hiding somewhere in the court because he hasn't made himself known. Probably not wandering around and in a tight cluster |
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Post by maxptc on Dec 27, 2021 23:48:52 GMT
Huh, so Juliette is willing to leave the Shadow men over either Atta or Arizona leaving, perhaps both. I'm even more curious about what the relationship is, it's got to be more then work freinds. No, I think Juliette had already made it pretty clear since before that she wanted to leave once she was able to keep Arthur with her: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1851 I imagine she stayed for now to help out with the other robots. You're right, when I keep that in mind her line comes off more as a "yeah I'm gonna quit to", the kind of thing you say when a coworker leaves a job you've been wanting to quit for ages. |
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Post by warrl on Dec 27, 2021 23:49:21 GMT
I've always kinda suspected this was the truth about the Court: that there really is no centralized leadership, and only a loose semblance of a few collective goals and actions (like "let's move away from here eventually" and "let's study how to control ether scientifically"). Some departments have more information and/or resources than others, but none of them know what everyone else is doing, and they all tend to pursue their own projects, consult only the people they absolutely have to in order for those projects to succeed, and even then operate on a "need-to-know" basis. I like to imagine that the people making the Omega Device are only partially in contact with the people manning the etheric power stations, the Shadow Men sometimes receive information and instructions from the Omega Device but don't actually know what it is, the school can call the decontamination department at any time but only know of the Shadow Men by vague rumour, etc., etc. It would honestly fit the evidence we've seen so far of "the Court's" actions pretty well!
You know, that sounds very much like a government. Bureaucratic empire-building is not strictly restricted to government - it just has greater protection from countervailing forces there. |
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Post by lurkerbot on Dec 28, 2021 0:10:25 GMT
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Post by SilverbackRon on Dec 28, 2021 0:16:31 GMT
I dunno, panel 4 Juliette looks like a little kid having a snit.
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 29, 2021 6:11:02 GMT
I've always kinda suspected this was the truth about the Court: that there really is no centralized leadership, and only a loose semblance of a few collective goals and actions (like "let's move away from here eventually" and "let's study how to control ether scientifically"). Some departments have more information and/or resources than others, but none of them know what everyone else is doing There's clearly some command & control. For one, Llanwellyn is the real chairman rather than ceremonial one: if decisions were done by committee and he was just the speaker for them, that “Announcing Our New Medium” scene in Chapter 41 most likely would be very different. But most of the time their coordination seems close to cat-herding level. |
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 29, 2021 12:37:35 GMT
Must be pretty impressive resources to hide an operation with dozens, if not hundreds of people involved over probably several square kilometers of the Court's own area. Smitty sleeps on property and they luckily never found it Haha!  Thanks dude, I don't know if I ever laughed so loudly from a post on here that wasn't in "I saw an opportunity...".  |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 20, 2022 0:38:33 GMT
Its interesting that Shell says "The less he knows about this, the better". This seems to imply that she'd be willing to keep Kat-Lab a secret even from Aata. So Shell is not completely loyal to Aata after all? Is Annie in part working to peel Shell off to work with team Kat (at least part time)?
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Post by Bandolute on Jan 20, 2022 1:49:23 GMT
Its interesting that Shell says "The less he knows about this, the better". This seems to imply that she'd be willing to keep Kat-Lab a secret even from Aata. So Shell is not completely loyal to Aata after all? Is Annie in part working to peel Shell off to work with team Kat (at least part time)? It's possible she just wants to spare him the headache. Less a secret and more dodging something bothersome when there's a lot on his plate already |
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Thanks dude, I don't know if I ever laughed so loudly from a post on here that wasn't in "I saw an opportunity...". 
