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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 8, 2021 8:04:05 GMT
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Post by philman on Dec 8, 2021 8:05:47 GMT
And Robot still has not transferred to their new body. I wonder if we will see their ascension this chapter
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 8, 2021 8:08:09 GMT
I also wonder how many days they've been working without replenishment. Although... I suppose being "out there" doesn't necessarily mean they haven't been eating or drinking the whole time.
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Post by madjack on Dec 8, 2021 8:15:58 GMT
Hope they're not stuck on the Robocop diet. And Robot still has not transferred to their new body. I wonder if we will see their ascension this chapter Nah, Robot is a prophet who genuinely believes what he preaches, he won't shift over until either the last of the robots undergoing the change are done, or else they're close enough to completion that he wont be taking up someone else's slot in the queue. He'll see supporting Kat's work as more important than something it looks like he doesn't feel a need for quite yet. |
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Post by noone3 on Dec 8, 2021 8:20:43 GMT
Gosh golly!
Did you notice the speech bubbles?
Tom is using distinctive bubbles for different types of creatures. People have classic round bubbles, with curved direction arrow. Robot has polygonal bubble with angular arrow.
And now I realised that all tracksuited notrobots have round human bubbles, but with angular direction arrow, so they speak like humans, but with slight robotical accent or something.
Tom! You have blown my mind once again. Hats off man!
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Post by blahzor on Dec 8, 2021 8:33:27 GMT
I'm calling it now Robot will pick a name before end of chapter
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Post by jda on Dec 8, 2021 8:40:40 GMT
Archbishop Robot.
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Post by madjack on Dec 8, 2021 8:41:53 GMT
I'm calling it now Robot will pick a name before end of chapter We still haven't seen names out of these two yet. I wonder if that will be discussed if the story stays focused on them. |
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Post by blahzor on Dec 8, 2021 9:02:36 GMT
I'm calling it now Robot will pick a name before end of chapter We still haven't seen names out of these two yet. I wonder if that will be discussed if the story stays focused on them. Dig and digger |
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Post by arf on Dec 8, 2021 11:51:42 GMT
As described Robert Silverberg's short story "Good News From the Vatican". |
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Post by Corvo on Dec 8, 2021 12:30:35 GMT
It's surprisingly similar to normal food, except it all comes from that New Vegetables garden in the backyard.
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Post by stef1987 on Dec 8, 2021 12:34:38 GMT
Kinda weird that Robot hasn't changed yet.
Also it's weird how Kat suddenly made the jump from making muscles to entire bodies. Do they have completely functioning human-like bodies? with brains and everything? When/how did she figure that out?
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 8, 2021 12:41:45 GMT
Damn, the last panel zoomed out so far I cannot even see if there are tracking nanites in the food.
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Post by saardvark on Dec 8, 2021 12:52:04 GMT
I guess guess Orange-curly and Formerly-pipe-bot are a bit too awed by the Angel to hand her the CPUs directly (even though that is what clipboard-NP said to do)... Instead, they take them to her Prophet Maximus, Robot, who seems to be coordinating CPU retrieval.
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Post by blahzor on Dec 8, 2021 13:27:09 GMT
It's surprisingly similar to normal food, except it all comes from that New Vegetables garden in the backyard. New Vegetables is New people! Stop don't eat it New Vegetables is New People |
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Post by bicarbonat on Dec 8, 2021 14:31:52 GMT
And Robot still has not transferred to their new body. I wonder if we will see their ascension this chapter Nah, Robot is a prophet who genuinely believes what he preaches, he won't shift over until either the last of the robots undergoing the change are done, or else they're close enough to completion that he wont be taking up someone else's slot in the queue. He'll see supporting Kat's work as more important than something it looks like he doesn't feel a need for quite yet. I guess this is very "There are two kinds of people" of me, but I can't help but suspect there'll be some Chekhov's gun edge to Robbie's delayed conversion before all's done. Prophets are often firebrands that make things very uncomfortable for a lot of people, including themselves. |
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Post by ctso74 on Dec 8, 2021 15:13:30 GMT
I'm hoping, that they come pre-programmed with eating abilities. They've practiced walking and working for many years, having to eat for the first time, could get really messy. Baby eating bad.
Curly: "No. Not- keep it in your mouth and- How did you get it in your ear?"
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Post by Gemminie on Dec 8, 2021 15:40:54 GMT
After being awed at seeing Kat, our two new friends hail Robot, who seems to look much as he did when last we saw him, with the blue hoodie and the humanoid metallic face. I think he's getting better at smiling.
He states that they've been "out there for days," which casts doubt on what I had assumed was the timing of this chapter relative to the last – I had assumed that they were working at night because it was the same night after Annie's rescue. But this suggests instead that teams of them have been working round the clock for "days."
And he's putting forth a kindly impression; they need food and rest and should get some of both. They shouldn't neglect their Angel-given bodies. And there we see the purpose of the tables that we glimpsed from afar on the previous page: they're picnic tables to eat at. The thing that looked like an assembly line may in fact be a cafeteria buffet line. Their bodies are apparently organic enough that they need to eat something, but what exactly?
Tom's comment pushes the term "New People" that much closer to canon. It's still not fully clear, but that may be what they're going to be called.
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Post by Gemminie on Dec 8, 2021 15:49:17 GMT
Kinda weird that Robot hasn't changed yet. Also it's weird how Kat suddenly made the jump from making muscles to entire bodies. Do they have completely functioning human-like bodies? with brains and everything? When/how did she figure that out? During the 6 months that Annie was in the Forest talking to Loup. While Annie was also in the Court living with her father. Forest Annie returned to find Kat's work much more advanced. |
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Post by drmemory on Dec 8, 2021 16:31:07 GMT
"this little step helps us on our path" Pretty sure that's the path Robot has in mind, not whatever Kat's plan is. "our" = robots and NP, not Kat and Robot. I'm getting a really creepy "cult leader" vibe from S13. Acting very parental here. Oh well, it isn't a problem until it is.
I'd still like to know what happened to cause him to evolve from "a Seraph model robot" to what he is now. Perhaps we'll learn more this chapter.
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Post by saardvark on Dec 8, 2021 17:15:53 GMT
"this little step helps us on our path" Pretty sure that's the path Robot has in mind, not whatever Kat's plan is. "our" = robots and NP, not Kat and Robot. I'm getting a really creepy "cult leader" vibe from S13. Acting very parental here. Oh well, it isn't a problem until it is.
I'd still like to know what happened to cause him to evolve from "a Seraph model robot" to what he is now. Perhaps we'll learn more this chapter.
My impression was that the Seraphs had always been sorta interested. in evolving/improving into something better. Before Kat, the robots had been sort of stuck. They could repair themselves, but not improve themselves. Then S13 saw what Kat could do with her early experiments on his own form, became a "true believer", and began preaching the "religion" of a new Creator, with Kat/Angel-driven robotic improvement/transformation. |
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Post by fia on Dec 8, 2021 19:28:58 GMT
I do think Tom has deliberately made Robot seem rather creepy, but I'm sympathetic to him/her/them (I'll use "they" for now because Robot doesn't have a set gender at the moment). I've gotten the feeling more and more like his and the Seraph robots' chips were put in them by a Future Kat who wanted them to help her along this process. I'm fairly certain their angelic appearance is voluntary on the part of the robots sent back, possibly a plan hatched by Robot themselves.
"Angelos" in Greek means "messenger". Robot has been preaching the "gospel," i.e. news, of the coming of The Angel, aka Kat. She herself has said that if it weren't for Robot and the creepy Seraphs she wouldn't have made so much progress on the synthetic bodies project, particularly when she was 'distracted' by her new relationship to Paz.
And when you add to all of this the fact that the Court would essentially have allowed robot genocide were it not for the intervention of Kat and Juliet, there's a real urgency to Robot's mission throughout the series. I hope Robot gets their body and gets to enjoy it because Robot has actually done a lot for their fellow robots, even if some of it required snatching them out of a way of life they were okay with before, and not disclosing the urgency of the mission or their own goals to Kat or to Annie. If it turns out this was all Kat's own doing, it will vindicate Robot's whole arc. Maybe Robot couldn't even tell Shadow the truth???
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Post by blahzor on Dec 8, 2021 19:37:03 GMT
I wonder if Robot was being literal and they were digging for days before needing to eat and rest
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Post by rabbit on Dec 8, 2021 19:44:26 GMT
If Boxbot ascends, will he finally be able to enjoy a square meal? (I'll just see myself out now) |
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Post by mturtle7 on Dec 8, 2021 22:38:44 GMT
I do think Tom has deliberately made Robot seem rather creepy, but I'm sympathetic to him/her/them (I'll use "they" for now because Robot doesn't have a set gender at the moment). I've gotten the feeling more and more like his and the Seraph robots' chips were put in them by a Future Kat who wanted them to help her along this process. I'm fairly certain their angelic appearance is voluntary on the part of the robots sent back, possibly a plan hatched by Robot themselves. "Angelos" in Greek means "messenger". Robot has been preaching the "gospel," i.e. news, of the coming of The Angel, aka Kat. She herself has said that if it weren't for Robot and the creepy Seraphs she wouldn't have made so much progress on the synthetic bodies project, particularly when she was 'distracted' by her new relationship to Paz. And when you add to all of this the fact that the Court would essentially have allowed robot genocide were it not for the intervention of Kat and Juliet, there's a real urgency to Robot's mission throughout the series. I hope Robot gets their body and gets to enjoy it because Robot has actually done a lot for their fellow robots, even if some of it required snatching them out of a way of life they were okay with before, and not disclosing the urgency of the mission or their own goals to Kat or to Annie. If it turns out this was all Kat's own doing, it will vindicate Robot's whole arc. Maybe Robot couldn't even tell Shadow the truth??? Personally, I actually think that the stalking, ominous proselytizing, and maybe-semi-compulsory conversion were all rather creepy but ultimately OK, especially in light of the good Robot's done...but my sympathy for him was kind of killed by the moment it became clear he was behind the Torn Sea Incident. Regardless of good intentions for the future of robotkind and all that, kidnapping students and putting them in danger is not OK in the slightest. You do definitely have a point about the urgency of his mission, though, and I like your speculation about Kat sending back the Seraphs' chips.
Also, until/unless the matter is actually brought up in the comics, I think I'll continue using he/him pronouns for Robot. Those are the pronouns he's always accepted before, and one androgynous digital avatar does not a gender transition make, in my view anyway. |
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 9, 2021 0:32:18 GMT
I do think Tom has deliberately made Robot seem rather creepy, but I'm sympathetic to him/her/them (I'll use "they" for now because Robot doesn't have a set gender at the moment). Actually Tom has stated Robot identifies as male in the past. So far we have seen no indication this could have changed. What are you referring to exactly? "this little step helps us on our path" Pretty sure that's the path Robot has in mind, not whatever Kat's plan is. "our" = robots and NP, not Kat and Robot. I'm getting a really creepy "cult leader" vibe from S13. Acting very parental here. Oh well, it isn't a problem until it is. I'd still like to know what happened to cause him to evolve from "a Seraph model robot" to what he is now. Perhaps we'll learn more this chapter.
My impression was that the Seraphs had always been sorta interested. in evolving/improving into something better. Before Kat, the robots had been sort of stuck. They could repair themselves, but not improve themselves. Then S13 saw what Kat could do with her early experiments on his own form, became a "true believer", and began preaching the "religion" of a new Creator, with Kat/Angel-driven robotic improvement/transformation. Interesting observation: The Seraphs say just because Kat looks like an angel does not automatically mean she is "the real angel". Sounds as if they did have a concept of "the Angel" before they ever met Kat. That concept need not have included the belief that the Angel would transform the robots, though, that could have been S13's own idea. |
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Post by Runningflame on Dec 9, 2021 1:02:17 GMT
Kinda weird that Robot hasn't changed yet. Also it's weird how Kat suddenly made the jump from making muscles to entire bodies. Do they have completely functioning human-like bodies? with brains and everything? When/how did she figure that out? During the 6 months that Annie was in the Forest talking to Loup. While Annie was also in the Court living with her father. Forest Annie returned to find Kat's work much more advanced. A cool thing I just noticed on reread: Arthur (and by extension the New People) has a brain... designed, not by Kat, but by Juliette. |
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Post by drmemory on Dec 9, 2021 3:02:07 GMT
"this little step helps us on our path" Pretty sure that's the path Robot has in mind, not whatever Kat's plan is. "our" = robots and NP, not Kat and Robot. I'm getting a really creepy "cult leader" vibe from S13. Acting very parental here. Oh well, it isn't a problem until it is.
I'd still like to know what happened to cause him to evolve from "a Seraph model robot" to what he is now. Perhaps we'll learn more this chapter.
My impression was that the Seraphs had always been sorta interested. in evolving/improving into something better. Before Kat, the robots had been sort of stuck. They could repair themselves, but not improve themselves. Then S13 saw what Kat could do with her early experiments on his own form, became a "true believer", and began preaching the "religion" of a new Creator, with Kat/Angel-driven robotic improvement/transformation. Actually, Robot called Kat an Angel the very first time he saw her. That we know of anyway. It almost me think that the robots may have had prior knowledge of an Angel, and what she looked like, either through prophecy or time travel.
Really, at that time, he seemed more impressed with Annie (aka Mummy) than Kat! I don't remember ever seeing another robot that was impressed with Annie, actually. I mean, none that dislike her either, but she isn't the Angel nor anyone else's Mum.
I'm not quite sure when S13 started his cult. Certainly the "Angel" thing caught on pretty early, and spread.
Also, there is some evidence that S13 may have started his cult before ever meeting Kat. Maybe he knew Kat would be the Angel, maybe he just believed there would be an Angel, maybe he was just delusional. Maybe he was spreading disinformation and rumors about something else, for some other reason? Who can say?
Agree that the Seraphs always had their own agenda, but I'm not sure we know what that agenda is.
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Post by saardvark on Dec 9, 2021 3:27:57 GMT
My impression was that the Seraphs had always been sorta interested. in evolving/improving into something better. Before Kat, the robots had been sort of stuck. They could repair themselves, but not improve themselves. Then S13 saw what Kat could do with her early experiments on his own form, became a "true believer", and began preaching the "religion" of a new Creator, with Kat/Angel-driven robotic improvement/transformation. Actually, Robot called Kat an Angel the very first time he saw her. That we know of anyway. It almost me think that the robots may have had prior knowledge of an Angel, and what she looked like, either through prophecy or time travel.
Really, at that time, he seemed more impressed with Annie (aka Mummy) than Kat! I don't remember ever seeing another robot that was impressed with Annie, actually. I mean, none that dislike her either, but she isn't the Angel nor anyone else's Mum.
I'm not quite sure when S13 started his cult. Certainly the "Angel" thing caught on pretty early, and spread.
Also, there is some evidence that S13 may have started his cult before ever meeting Kat. Maybe he knew Kat would be the Angel, maybe he just believed there would be an Angel, maybe he was just delusional. Maybe he was spreading disinformation and rumors about something else, for some other reason? Who can say?
Agree that the Seraphs always had their own agenda, but I'm not sure we know what that agenda is.
Robot is the "John the Baptist" figure of the Angel cult. He "prepares the way" for the Angel, building support for her among the bots, a prophet of the Creator who is the source of their evolution. He facilitates their transformation into NP and embodies the evolution himself, incompletely transformed, remaining partly robot, part NP - a perfect bridging figure between the world of bots and the world of what they may become. Very cool and rich symbolism here.... hats off to Tom! |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 9, 2021 8:36:49 GMT
I see more of a closing of the previous age of robots and the creation of a new one. There's even resurrections and judgement and new better bodies. Try this on for size.
In the beginning there was the father, who made the progenitors. The father loved Jeanne but she died and they did nothing. When the father ceased to move the progenitors were without purpose, so they created robots to carry on in their stead and they slept beside the father. Then the angel came, she who made the Tocs to watch over the robots; she understood the hearts of the progenitors and continued the work of the father, interpreting his words anew. But the seraphs sought to speed her in her labors and so earned her displeasure, being banished from her sight. And the progenitors were awakened and those who had fallen and were buried were recovered, and so the New People came to be. Then the Court became chaotic and without form...
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