[2554] Not used to your body yet?

[philman]

Thanks for reading this comic about two robots getting haircuts

It seems like green-eyed not person is having a harder time adjusting than pink-eyed not person, even forgetting parts of what their old lives were. I wonder if this rift with the serephs will lead some to want to go back to their old lives, or lose their personalities altogether?

Pink-eyed not-person really seems to get a handle on using their body and their sensuality too, a proper Number Six.

[Anthony]

I wonder if there was a robot in charge of managing hentai archives...

[stclair]

Behold, the power of BOOBIES.

[jda]

34, pls, for table 5.

[jda]

So, confirmed the green eyed one is the robot trascended on She gave us an ocean.

[madjack]

Dec 3, 2021 8:57:22 GMT jda said:

So, confirmed the green eyed one is the robot trascended on She gave us an ocean.

Yep, drmemory gets some cookies:

Nov 30, 2021 18:58:35 GMT drmemory said:

That's my guess really - S13 and the water pipe leak inspector.

Not 2/2 but still a good hit.

[imaginaryfriend]

Pipe guy contemplates new ways to lay pipe.

Also I guess even if the memories are in the same "language" they lack a lot of info compared to the new ones; as the NP(C?)s spend more time in their new bodies the previous memories will seem less real.

[jda]

Dec 3, 2021 9:11:12 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

Pipe guy contemplates new ways to lay pipe.

Also I guess even if the memories are in the same "language" they lack a lot of info compared to the new ones; as the NP(C?)s spend more time in their new bodies the previous memories will seem less real.

Yes, I think it could be the equivalent of a person whose puberty hit very hard and doubles height over 2 years (or so). How can the same person remember not being able to reach things over the fridge, or liking some things as a small child?
I think memories diffuse a lot when your immediate experience changes so much, like a pattern that you brain needs no more for survival.

[speedwell]

This may seem strange to other members, but the redhead still reads as male to me. I want to explain that, though, because my experiences are doubtless different from most people's.

I'm in my mid-50s. In my mid-40s, for a few years I had a neighbour named Monique. She had clearly had a lot of cosmetic enhancement surgery (sure, we lived in uptown Houston, and it wasn't unusual). We became friends. A little while later she told me she was assigned male at birth - she herself did not use that phrase; she told me with an air of mockery for my apparent naivete, "Honey, I'm a man". Somehow despite being autistic it was clear to me she was expressing personal pain and I told her, truthfully, "Moni, you're more feminine than I'll ever manage to be and as far as I'm concerned, if you are a woman, you are one and that's it". It turned out to be the right thing to say and we were close friends until she died.

Anyway, I mention this because even to my autistic brain CurlyRed is acting exactly like Monique did, and unlike my other woman friends who were assigned female at birth. Additionally my first serious boyfriend, to whom I was briefly engaged, later had trans surgery several years after we broke up, and I can definitely see some common threads between her and Monique and CurlyRed.

I don't know whether Tom did this consciously, but if he did, it's a masterful, subtle, first-class depiction of someone who doesn't take their new body at all for granted and who has had to work hard to establish a good connection to it and to gain acceptance from people around them. It's almost as though the main theme of the comic is that yes, the mind and body are one, but our perceptions and assumptions of what kind of mind matches what kind of body are hopelessly weak. 🙂

Well done, Tom. 🌟

[pyradonis]

I'm having a hard time developing sympathy for the pink eyed one. They just seem so prideful to me.
Curious how the one that seems to have been adjusted to their new life for a longer time apparently remembers their old life much better.

[ctso74]

Dec 3, 2021 8:15:58 GMT Anthony said:

I wonder if there was a robot in charge of managing hentai archives...

Considering the Court's technology, they'd quickly run out of 6-digit numbers.

[speedwell]

Dec 3, 2021 14:08:36 GMT pyradonis said:

I'm having a hard time developing sympathy for the pink eyed one. They just seem so prideful to me.
Curious how the one that seems to have been adjusted to their new life for a longer time apparently remembers their old life much better.

Not to be flippant, but there's pride and then there's Pride.

[Per]

And then there's "Pride (In the Name of Love)", and then there's Rumble at Pride Rock 4: Simba Loses His **** For Real This Time

[Corvo]

They can make your hair all sticky uppy, you know. I hear it's the secret for true friendship.

[blahzor]

Dec 3, 2021 9:11:12 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

Pipe guy contemplates new ways to lay pipe.

Also I guess even if the memories are in the same "language" they lack a lot of info compared to the new ones; as the NP(C?)s spend more time in their new bodies the previous memories will seem less real.

I heard a rumor that humans were originally robots until a angel decided to free them from their metal cages

[blahzor]

Ftfy

Dec 3, 2021 18:18:46 GMT Corvo said:

They can make your hair all sticky uppy, you know. I hear it's the secret for true sportsmanship]

[Druplesnubb]

Dec 3, 2021 8:57:22 GMT jda said:

So, confirmed the green eyed one is the robot trascended on She gave us an ocean.

The Court (hopefully) has more than one robot managing the pipes.

[csj]

oh no, they've already invented metarobot bodyshaming

[imaginaryfriend]

The thing with pride is, it's arguably the worst of the seven deadlies while also being (at least in one construction) a virtue. In some estimations it's the most angelic and demonic sin, perhaps the sun source of the other sins.

Dec 3, 2021 19:03:42 GMT csj said:

oh no, they've already invented metarobot bodyshaming

We sort of blew by this idea in the discussion of ch.75 but it's not hypothetical now: Robots chose bodies for different reasons. Some chose bodies according to ideals, others wanted random bodies to get closer to the human experience. That is an issue that humans only somewhat have to deal with, so far, but could potentially hit the NP(C?)s harder.  

[flowsthead]

Dec 3, 2021 12:24:01 GMT speedwell said:

This may seem strange to other members, but the redhead still reads as male to me. I want to explain that, though, because my experiences are doubtless different from most people's.

I'm in my mid-50s. In my mid-40s, for a few years I had a neighbour named Monique. She had clearly had a lot of cosmetic enhancement surgery (sure, we lived in uptown Houston, and it wasn't unusual). We became friends. A little while later she told me she was assigned male at birth - she herself did not use that phrase; she told me with an air of mockery for my apparent naivete, "Honey, I'm a man". Somehow despite being autistic it was clear to me she was expressing personal pain and I told her, truthfully, "Moni, you're more feminine than I'll ever manage to be and as far as I'm concerned, if you are a woman, you are one and that's it". It turned out to be the right thing to say and we were close friends until she died.

Anyway, I mention this because even to my autistic brain CurlyRed is acting exactly like Monique did, and unlike my other woman friends who were assigned female at birth. Additionally my first serious boyfriend, to whom I was briefly engaged, later had trans surgery several years after we broke up, and I can definitely see some common threads between her and Monique and CurlyRed.

I don't know whether Tom did this consciously, but if he did, it's a masterful, subtle, first-class depiction of someone who doesn't take their new body at all for granted and who has had to work hard to establish a good connection to it and to gain acceptance from people around them. It's almost as though the main theme of the comic is that yes, the mind and body are one, but our perceptions and assumptions of what kind of mind matches what kind of body are hopelessly weak. 🙂

Well done, Tom. 🌟

Do we know that all robots have an awareness of gender? Some clearly do, like Arthur, but I'm a little hesitant to put the trans experience via robot since I don't think it really matches with the idea of dysphoria.

[drmemory]

Dec 3, 2021 14:08:36 GMT pyradonis said:

I'm having a hard time developing sympathy for the pink eyed one. They just seem so prideful to me.
Curious how the one that seems to have been adjusted to their new life for a longer time apparently remembers their old life much better.

I took this as being due to having more experience with humans, plus doing research on them in the library.  She probably just knows a lot more and as a result got a head start towards developing a human-ish personality.  It sounds like she may have been a people-watcher too. Whereas the pipe inspector was pretty much alone, inspecting pipes.  Maybe the library robot also knew about the Angel's plan to give them bodies longer too, and thus had more time to think about it and prepare.  The pipe robot was pretty much at sea (literally, in a bucket!) when S13 in his smug angel form told him about things.  So he went into it cold.  And wet (I had to say it!).

Not sure about interpreting her personality as prideful.  Maybe?  They are probably both kids, in a sense - certainly no mature than Kat and Annie.  Teens or younger?  Also with a heck of a lot less experience in being human (-ish).  I'm not sure how socially adjusted I'd be if I went from inspecting pipes in dark tunnels, basically running a simple program or state machine, to having a shocking experience and being given an ocean and a new body, then turned loose to be a person!

[drmemory]

Dec 3, 2021 18:34:54 GMT Druplesnubb said:

Dec 3, 2021 8:57:22 GMT jda said:

So, confirmed the green eyed one is the robot trascended on She gave us an ocean.

The Court (hopefully) has more than one robot managing the pipes.

I suspect their underground infrastructure has bigger issues than un-monitored pipes at present.

[maxptc]

So what this strip made me ponder is if robots date other robots. I mean, we've seen them fall in love with humans(as well as a shadow and sea monster) but I don't recall any robot on robot action. I don't see why they wouldn't, but regardless due to previous limitations they must be super repressed. The New People being overt makes complete sense, and Kat also may have doomed humanity if they can't also produce children. But that last part is wild spec based on human nature, not the likely narrative.

[mturtle7]

I think my understanding of this scene changed a lot once I remembered that robots will often become attracted to students and give them romantic gifts. Before, it just seemed a little brazen, but in a cute way. Now...well, it's STILL brazen and cute, but with quite a different context. Pink-eye may well have tried flirting with people before she (making an assumption about pronouns here) got her new body, but probably in a very...I guess, naive and simplistic way. My impression with the old robots was always that, when they showed love, it was usually more like a kind of pathological adoration, an instinctual desire to follow the ancient instructions of their infatuated creator. And I don't think that base programming was ever changed, exactly, merely expanded and added onto by the androids' new body experience. So on one hand, it's actually pretty cool that Pink-eye's understanding of romance, beauty, and attraction is getting the chance to evolve and mature now, and she can finally flirt with people in a way that robots have never been able to try or even consider before. But on the other hand, it kind of feels like an ancient echo of Diego's obsession is flashing her cleavage at me in that fourth panel. So...yeah. I have mixed feelings about this.

[mochakimono]

I can imagine occurrences now wherein someone says, "Hey, nice butt", or "hey, nice chest" to someone they don't realize used to be a robot, only to get, "Thanks, I picked it out myself!" in response, haha.

[speedwell]

Dec 4, 2021 2:47:10 GMT flowsthead said:

Dec 3, 2021 12:24:01 GMT speedwell said:

This may seem strange to other members, but the redhead still reads as male to me. I want to explain that, though, because my experiences are doubtless different from most people's.

I'm in my mid-50s. In my mid-40s, for a few years I had a neighbour named Monique. She had clearly had a lot of cosmetic enhancement surgery (sure, we lived in uptown Houston, and it wasn't unusual). We became friends. A little while later she told me she was assigned male at birth - she herself did not use that phrase; she told me with an air of mockery for my apparent naivete, "Honey, I'm a man". Somehow despite being autistic it was clear to me she was expressing personal pain and I told her, truthfully, "Moni, you're more feminine than I'll ever manage to be and as far as I'm concerned, if you are a woman, you are one and that's it". It turned out to be the right thing to say and we were close friends until she died.

Anyway, I mention this because even to my autistic brain CurlyRed is acting exactly like Monique did, and unlike my other woman friends who were assigned female at birth. Additionally my first serious boyfriend, to whom I was briefly engaged, later had trans surgery several years after we broke up, and I can definitely see some common threads between her and Monique and CurlyRed.

I don't know whether Tom did this consciously, but if he did, it's a masterful, subtle, first-class depiction of someone who doesn't take their new body at all for granted and who has had to work hard to establish a good connection to it and to gain acceptance from people around them. It's almost as though the main theme of the comic is that yes, the mind and body are one, but our perceptions and assumptions of what kind of mind matches what kind of body are hopelessly weak. 🙂

Well done, Tom. 🌟

Do we know that all robots have an awareness of gender? Some clearly do, like Arthur, but I'm a little hesitant to put the trans experience via robot since I don't think it really matches with the idea of dysphoria.

I don't mean to map the experience of the New People precisely on the experience of human trans people. I think there are crucial differences that are important to the story. In particular I think the gender issue is far less important than the inorganic-to-organic-body issue. 

[warrl]

Dec 3, 2021 12:24:01 GMT speedwell said:

Anyway, I mention this because even to my autistic brain CurlyRed is acting exactly like Monique did, and unlike my other woman friends who were assigned female at birth. Additionally my first serious boyfriend, to whom I was briefly engaged, later had trans surgery several years after we broke up, and I can definitely see some common threads between her and Monique and CurlyRed.

To me she reads as ambiguous leaning toward female. One of our daughters went through a bit of that, when she was just at the age where the boob fairy had paid a brief visit but the puberty gnome hadn't clonked her on the head and stolen most of her wits yet. Which actually looked a lot like CurlyRed does now, physically.

CurlyRed, though, was assigned robot at birth. Some adjustment period makes sense.

[rosesonthewall]

Dec 4, 2021 3:15:49 GMT drmemory said:

Dec 3, 2021 14:08:36 GMT pyradonis said:

I'm having a hard time developing sympathy for the pink eyed one. They just seem so prideful to me.
Curious how the one that seems to have been adjusted to their new life for a longer time apparently remembers their old life much better.

I took this as being due to having more experience with humans, plus doing research on them in the library. She probably just knows a lot more and as a result got a head start towards developing a human-ish personality. It sounds like she may have been a people-watcher too. Whereas the pipe inspector was pretty much alone, inspecting pipes.

I agree, I read her personality more as confident - could spill into cockiness, it depends how much more we'll see of her, but I don't see it as particularly "prideful" than just being sure about how things work and what she feels about her human-ness.

Great point drmemory, her previous job and her own personal research must have helped a lot to make her familiar with humans.

[speedwell]

Dec 4, 2021 23:52:12 GMT rosesonthewall said:

Dec 4, 2021 3:15:49 GMT drmemory said:

I took this as being due to having more experience with humans, plus doing research on them in the library. She probably just knows a lot more and as a result got a head start towards developing a human-ish personality. It sounds like she may have been a people-watcher too. Whereas the pipe inspector was pretty much alone, inspecting pipes.

I agree, I read her personality more as confident - could spill into cockiness, it depends how much more we'll see of her, but I don't see it as particularly "prideful" than just being sure about how things work and what she feels about her human-ness.

Great point drmemory, her previous job and her own personal research must have helped a lot to make her familiar with humans.

Take it from someone whose knowledge of those aliens known as my fellow humans came mostly from books... it's better than nothing, but no substitute for varied experience. The best analogy I can think of is being a chef if you know of food only from a daily diet of cornflakes, hot dogs, and black coffee, and studying a shelf full of cookbooks. 😁

[drmemory]

Dec 5, 2021 0:22:32 GMT speedwell said:

Dec 4, 2021 23:52:12 GMT rosesonthewall said:

I agree, I read her personality more as confident - could spill into cockiness, it depends how much more we'll see of her, but I don't see it as particularly "prideful" than just being sure about how things work and what she feels about her human-ness.

Great point drmemory, her previous job and her own personal research must have helped a lot to make her familiar with humans.

Take it from someone whose knowledge of those aliens known as my fellow humans came mostly from books... it's better than nothing, but no substitute for varied experience. The best analogy I can think of is being a chef if you know of food only from a daily diet of cornflakes, hot dogs, and black coffee, and studying a shelf full of cookbooks. 😁

Hmmm.  Her experience with humans was probably mostly with students, right?  That had to have an effect!  The books helped too, I'm sure, but actually watching and observing humans probably had more impact.

Yet, she also knew about the Seraph/Kat thing - I guess that might be entirely separate, perhaps gained by actually talking to the cult leader.  I'm still trying to figure out if we ever saw her as a robot!