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Post by Gemini Jim on Nov 12, 2021 18:38:11 GMT
So... the Court is moving to America? Probably FROM america. The coyote (as the animal) is native to north america. So its either a pull back to the old country, or the gunnerkrigg court world is all mixed up anyway, and real life parallels go out the window. Which is fine for me  Well, we know that some real-life parallels already exist, such as (ancient) Greece, Paz is from Spain, Kat holidayed in Italy, etc. Plus references to Batman, Doctor Who, Japanese pop culture, world mythology. So, if the world is messed up, it might be no more messed up than Steven Universe. It would be fun to see what the GC version of the U.S. looks like. Lots of wide open spaces in the real thing for a big institution like the Court to hide in. It would be funny if they set up camp in New Mexico or similar in Coyote's home turf. Plus, we all speak some version of "English" over here, or so I've been told; unlike trying to merge into Japan or somewhere. |
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Post by speedwell on Nov 12, 2021 18:45:58 GMT
They'll understand when they're older, I'm sure.
If past excursions are to be believed, they are already older. And younger. Simultaneously. That said, the teenage girls we know best in the comic are a phoenix psychopomp, an apparent avatar of Vishwakarma, a female Saint Francis, a reality warper and her familiar, a dragonslayer and her friend the Orjak, an English witch specialising in Hermetic circles, an Amazon, two former fairies, and a girl named Becky. I think they'll do. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Nov 12, 2021 18:59:14 GMT
wait what
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Post by sebastian on Nov 12, 2021 19:37:20 GMT
So... the Court is moving to America? or to Tol Erresea maybe. |
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Post by warrl on Nov 12, 2021 20:28:12 GMT
Maybe, but it feels a little off. This was apparently something he learned before he started destroying the Court, and is apparently what inspired him. So the moving plan isn't in response to Loup and the forest screwing things up? Most likely, their plan included some contingency plans. "We don't want X to happen, and hope it doesn't. But if it does, then we will..." |
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Post by DonDueed on Nov 12, 2021 20:48:27 GMT
I don't buy it. If the "great plan" is nothing but a move overseas, why all the fol-de-rol with the Omega, power station, stealing a god's power, messing around with Zimmy and all that? Why not just, you know, call the movers, pack up and go?
Does the UK have a crippling relocation tax or something?
Frankly I think Shell is misinformed or partly so, or maybe just lying to get Annie off her case for a bit.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 12, 2021 21:38:27 GMT
Wanted to comment earlier but kept getting 502'd when trying to log in. Anyway, I would think crossing the channel to Europe wouldn't count as crossing the ocean in common-speak so they may be heading for the "New World" (I immediately thought of this page) though not necessarily North America, but they might also be heading for another continent via slow ship. They could be heading to Ireland, I guess, and though I'm unsure that counts as crossing an ocean being closer to their previous location would likely be more logistically and socially convenient. I'm sure that there are ethereally-interesting places all over (other than maybe Antarctica, Santa's workshop excepted) and some of them are probably nearly as good as Gillite Wood pre-Coyote for etheric research. However... Sucks to be those people and beings currently in residence where the Court is heading, huh? I don't buy it. If the "great plan" is nothing but a move overseas, why all the fol-de-rol with the Omega, power station, stealing a god's power, messing around with Zimmy and all that? Why not just, you know, call the movers, pack up and go? Maybe relocating the personel and the knocked-down ether plant always was the main plan. That would be the most low-risk and they have already evac'd about as far as they can go inside the Court. Aata's gamble may have been a last ditch hail Mary play that he talked the leadership into letting him try before giving up on the Court. Does the UK have a crippling relocation tax or something? Given the stuff that's been formsprung over the years I don't think the Court paid any taxes at all to the UK and were pretty much left alone, and though the Court didn't get funding from them either I suspect whenever the Court really wanted something done the UK pretty much just did it. ...And I figure they'll treat whatever host country they land in (if any) the same way. |
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Post by warrl on Nov 13, 2021 0:21:16 GMT
So... the Court is moving to America? Probably FROM america. The coyote (as the animal) is native to north america. So its either a pull back to the old country, or the gunnerkrigg court world is all mixed up anyway, and real life parallels go out the window. Which is fine for me It's pretty well established that the Court is currently in or mystically adjacent to Great Britain. Anja is probably from Rumania, Paz is from Spain, Ysengrin and Reynard are Belgian/French, Eglamore is a British knight, Zimmingham is explicitly Birmingham, we've seen maps (I think they were canonical but not sure) putting the Court in Britain, Mort originally died in the Blitz during WWII, the rogat orjaks are from eastern Europe... Vacations have explicitly been in Spain, Italy, and Scotland. Coyote is from North America, but he's about the only one. I don't think that moving the Court was part of their plan as of just before Loup was formed, or at most I suspect it was a long-shot contingency. But it's part of their plan now. Whether it was something they were going to do in any event, or only a contingency against their next try's failure to steal Coyote's power, is unknown and probably will never be known. There is plenty of room in North America. Might not be obvious to those who live in BosWash. But once you're west of the Mississippi, most states have quite large areas full of nothing (as do a few states east of the Mississippi). Just south of here (southwest Arizona) are 70 miles of state highway with a single-digit number of intersections with things officially considered to be roads - less than half of them paved. I just looked at a list of ranches for sale in Montana, and counted 9 "featured" listings that are EACH 4 square miles or larger - the largest includes full title to over 100 square miles, plus some sort of arrangement (probably with the federal government, I'm guessing) for the use of another 100+ square miles. Asking price $66 million. Heck, there are some decently large empty areas along the coast of Washington, Oregon, and northern California. And if they were tapping etheric energy from a lake, they'd need overload protection at an ocean-coast site with the next land to the west being a few thousand miles away... And Canada, once you get about 200 miles north of the US border and away from the Sea of Quebec, is even emptier. Then there's Alaska. |
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Post by warrl on Nov 13, 2021 0:30:20 GMT
Now... how do the legalities work, of moving a school - complete with students, teachers, and other staff - from Britain to either Ireland or North America?
Also, what happens to Mrs. Sutton (the dryad) and her husband? Lindsey and Bud? The refugee elves (and other beings) from the forest?
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 13, 2021 1:00:22 GMT
I don't know, that feels sort of underwhelming. The most interesting part is that Shell explicitly said "the humans" will leave, which begs the question who each counts as "human", and if the Court plans on just telling the nonhuman inhabitants to go f... themselves or to continue maintaining the old Court, or if the "far far away" they allegedly plan to bring Annie is a much more unpleasant place they are planning to ship the nonhumans off to. That said, the teenage girls we know best in the comic are a phoenix psychopomp, an apparent avatar of Vishwakarma, a female Saint Francis, a reality warper and her familiar, a dragonslayer and her friend the Orjak, an English witch specialising in Hermetic circles, an Amazon, two former fairies, and a girl named Becky. I think they'll do. Is Janet the Amazon? Bang on. Message courtesy of Omega. I'm increasingly curious to see what kind of poor wretch the Court has pressed (or thinks it has pressed) into service as their prognosticator. I wouldn't be surprised if one day the Court realized they are the poor wretch pressed into Omega's service instead... |
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Post by todd on Nov 13, 2021 1:00:23 GMT
I still wonder whether we'll actually see them carry out the evacuation and relocate the Court. As I mentioned above, shifting the story to somewhere else - far away from Gillitie Wood (which had been a crucial part of the webcomic from the start), for example, would probably mean such a big narrative upheaval that the story would probably need to end there - with any loose ends to be dealt with in a sequel webcomic with a new title.
From that, I suspect we might have the move prevented - say, Loup destroying the evacuation crafts with a tone of "If the Court relocate, then I'll never be able to keep a close watch on them and deal with them. The only option is to trap them here and wipe them all out."
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 13, 2021 1:35:16 GMT
On further reflection, if Avalon exists in the GC that might be my choice for the new Court if I was in charge. It requires a sea voyage to get there but is close to the UK, is private, and has the mojo they want. What they tried on "Loup" would likely work with Morgan and even if she's nothing like her myth she's got a bad rep... so probably few people would care what happens to her and her sisters/retainers/subjects. Avalon's got some romantic appeal going for it too. Now... how do the legalities work, of moving a school - complete with students, teachers, and other staff - from Britain to either Ireland or North America? I doubt the Court worries about external legalities very much. The understanding that they'll be left alone will likely just continue with few uninvolved parties aware that they've changed location, at least for a while. Once the outside world figures out they moved there will be those who seek opportunities of one sort of other but the Shadow Men and other MIB have a lot of practice dealing with that cloak-and-dagger sort of thing. The internal politics and legalities of the Court regarding the evacuation and relocation are probably much more interesting, not that we'll see much about that. Also, what happens to Mrs. Sutton (the dryad) and her husband? Lindsey and Bud? The refugee elves (and other beings) from the forest? I doubt the Court will force people to go, though there may be exceptions in particular cases. A big bunch of people will probably stay behind, maybe make a new community. Lots of buildings and infrastructure is still intact. They might even have robot labor still, though much different than it was before. The problem would be sorting out who is in charge. Assuming "Loup" is gone and Coyote doesn't stay when he comes back, there will be a big kerfluffle (more like a series of kerflufi) over who the new boss is and people (and I use the term loosely) will be carving out their own territories. The elves are tribal so they'll be a force to be reckoned with, and probably won't suffer too much social disorder. The Court holdouts and their allies will probably form their own bloc loosely allied with the elves and probably the robots, who would almost certainly be their own faction no matter if Kat stays or goes. There's Fun City and the shadow people as antagonists, who may or may not cooperate against the Court remnants, along with whatever other big bads may have been hiding in the Wood all this time. We might also see some new humans moving in from outside, particularly ones who are interested in etheric tech and privacy, but likely a much more shady and less straight-laced bunch than the Court is used to, with their own sub factions and intrigues. The fairies and other Wood dwellers would probably form their own sub-factions and ally with whatever group gives them advantages, but I wouldn't count on long term alliances based on anything other than strength. The really interesting thing is that Zeta is the likely candidate for the new biggest bad but will probably continue staying on the edges of the human communities acting as a stabilizing influence. A lot of the normies may not learn about her for a while but when they do her myths will put Antimony's to shame. In summary, the ruins of the Court will probably be a more interesting place than the Court in its heyday. Sounds like a rich location to set a sequel in, yes? I wonder what it would be like a generation or two down the road.  |
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Post by Runningflame on Nov 13, 2021 1:36:51 GMT
Okay okay to be triple fair probably the Court COULD build a moon or Mars colony but so far has *chosen* to stay on Earth... ... Are we sure about that? |
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Post by Runningflame on Nov 13, 2021 1:44:14 GMT
The really interesting thing is that Zeta is the likely candidate for the new biggest bad but will probably continue staying on the edges of the human communities acting as a stabilizing influence. My text-to-speech software paused in the wrong place when reading this, making it sound like "Zeta is the likely candidate for the new biggest bad butt." |
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Post by Eversist on Nov 13, 2021 1:47:16 GMT
Forgive me if someone already posted something to this effect (and I like the legendary islands angle for sure), but what if the Court is constructing or even growing their own island? And what if getting godly powers would be to be able to control the Seed Bismuth in some way?
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Post by speedwell on Nov 13, 2021 1:54:26 GMT
That said, the teenage girls we know best in the comic are a phoenix psychopomp, an apparent avatar of Vishwakarma, a female Saint Francis, a reality warper and her familiar, a dragonslayer and her friend the Orjak, an English witch specialising in Hermetic circles, an Amazon, two former fairies, and a girl named Becky. I think they'll do. Is Janet the Amazon? I apologise for all that obscurantist nonsense. I had had a couple shots of a very decent Cardhu whisky at that point and was indulging in some private humour. Yes, Annie is the "phoenix psychopomp", I was playing with the idea of an avatar and the Hindu way of referring to both the god of artifice and (elliptically) an extremely competent artificer when referring to Kat, I thought St. Francis (the Catholic patron saint of animals) was an appropriate way to refer to Paz, Zimmy is the reality warper and I think the jury is still out on exactly what Gamma is (other than Zimmy's elaborate crutch), Parley and Cvet are both referred to as teenage girls here, I thought of Jenny as something of a sorcerer before I realised what modality she was actually using, [yes,] Janet is Amazon-like in personality as well as in archery prowess, I mentioned Red by implication and didn't really give Ayilu due credit for her memory twisting powers at all. And anyone who's read Tom Sawyer knows that Becky is not to be underestimated. |
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Post by csj on Nov 13, 2021 2:57:20 GMT
'I'm going to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by loup... SPACE!'
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Post by blahzor on Nov 13, 2021 7:18:48 GMT
The court is secretly the Warehouse from Warehouse 13
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 13, 2021 13:28:21 GMT
I apologise for all that obscurantist nonsense. I had had a couple shots of a very decent Cardhu whisky at that point and was indulging in some private humour. Yes, Annie is the "phoenix psychopomp", I was playing with the idea of an avatar and the Hindu way of referring to both the god of artifice and (elliptically) an extremely competent artificer when referring to Kat, I thought St. Francis (the Catholic patron saint of animals) was an appropriate way to refer to Paz, Zimmy is the reality warper and I think the jury is still out on exactly what Gamma is (other than Zimmy's elaborate crutch), Parley and Cvet are both referred to as teenage girls here, I thought of Jenny as something of a sorcerer before I realised what modality she was actually using, [yes,] Janet is Amazon-like in personality as well as in archery prowess, I mentioned Red by implication and didn't really give Ayilu due credit for her memory twisting powers at all. And anyone who's read Tom Sawyer knows that Becky is not to be underestimated. I recognized all the others, actually. Although referring to Gamma as a familiar felt somewhat cynical.
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Post by speedwell on Nov 14, 2021 0:18:59 GMT
I apologise for all that obscurantist nonsense. I had had a couple shots of a very decent Cardhu whisky at that point and was indulging in some private humour. Yes, Annie is the "phoenix psychopomp", I was playing with the idea of an avatar and the Hindu way of referring to both the god of artifice and (elliptically) an extremely competent artificer when referring to Kat, I thought St. Francis (the Catholic patron saint of animals) was an appropriate way to refer to Paz, Zimmy is the reality warper and I think the jury is still out on exactly what Gamma is (other than Zimmy's elaborate crutch), Parley and Cvet are both referred to as teenage girls here, I thought of Jenny as something of a sorcerer before I realised what modality she was actually using, [yes,] Janet is Amazon-like in personality as well as in archery prowess, I mentioned Red by implication and didn't really give Ayilu due credit for her memory twisting powers at all. And anyone who's read Tom Sawyer knows that Becky is not to be underestimated. I recognized all the others, actually. Although referring to Gamma as a familiar felt somewhat cynical.
You left out Margo, by the way. I did think you (particularly you) would get the rest of the references, though I guessed it might have been unfair to other readers not to specify I left out Margo because I couldn't make a good call on what her special abilities are yet...what do you think? |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Nov 14, 2021 11:00:27 GMT
What about Smitty?
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Post by maxptc on Nov 15, 2021 0:12:33 GMT
This explains why they need Coyetes powers, moving is a pain in the butt.
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Post by merry76 on Nov 15, 2021 10:13:07 GMT
Coyote isn't from the Forest, he moved there along with Renard and Ysengrin. To add to what flowsthead said: That story is an extra comic found here. Plus: Gunnerkrigg Court is explicitly set in the UK. See Tom's comment on the very first page, as well as the first bonus page. You guys are of course right, I remembered that the 3 buddies travelled the world. Somehow I got into my brain that they returned to coyotes homeland, despite the fact that it doesnt look much like what I envision coyotes in. But then again, there are very few magical rivers... anywhere.
Havent read the extra comic, thanks for the material
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 15, 2021 18:17:22 GMT
I recognized all the others, actually. Although referring to Gamma as a familiar felt somewhat cynical.
You left out Margo, by the way. I did think you (particularly you) would get the rest of the references, though I guessed it might have been unfair to other readers not to specify I left out Margo because I couldn't make a good call on what her special abilities are yet...what do you think? Maybe she's one of those who do not have any special ability, being just well talented overall. She seems to be artistically gifted, being seen drawing here and singing here. The story of the haunted mandolin makes me also think that her (and John) might have their very own kind of etheric empathy as they were able to just... sense what the ghosts wanted them to do. |
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