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Post by madjack on Nov 12, 2021 8:06:14 GMT
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Post by flowsthead on Nov 12, 2021 8:14:59 GMT
That can't be it, surely. I always assumed part of the reason the Court was difficult to find was because it was in the Forest and probably something to do with the Seed Bismuth. If they leave, then won't they lose out on that protection?
Also, when she says all of the humans, does that include those like the rabbit-turned-person? What about the new-humans like Arthur? Do they have a choice to stay?
Ahhhh! So many questions!!
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Post by Anthony on Nov 12, 2021 8:15:42 GMT
So... the Court is moving to America?
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Post by madjack on Nov 12, 2021 8:16:57 GMT
Ahhhh! So many questions!! No chapter symbol yet so there's definitely more info coming. |
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Post by jda on Nov 12, 2021 8:17:13 GMT
So... the Court is moving to America? Kentucky Freak'o Court |
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Post by jda on Nov 12, 2021 8:25:19 GMT
"And we also are leaving because all this is to become a radioactive desert."
A Scorched Land policy seems to be a very realistic way of the Court dealing with something they can not dominate.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Nov 12, 2021 8:25:48 GMT
"Ya see, there's too many of these new-fangled fake humes running around here, what with all the faeries, and now the elves, and the robots,..."
I did not see this coming, btw, and also, why do you need to trap Coyote for that? Was he not only keeping the Forest and Court seperate, but also the Court stuck in place?
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Post by merry76 on Nov 12, 2021 8:26:36 GMT
So... the Court is moving to America? Probably FROM america. The coyote (as the animal) is native to north america. So its either a pull back to the old country, or the gunnerkrigg court world is all mixed up anyway, and real life parallels go out the window. Which is fine for me  |
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Post by flowsthead on Nov 12, 2021 8:34:57 GMT
So... the Court is moving to America? Probably FROM america. The coyote (as the animal) is native to north america. So its either a pull back to the old country, or the gunnerkrigg court world is all mixed up anyway, and real life parallels go out the window. Which is fine for me Coyote isn't from the Forest, he moved there along with Renard and Ysengrin. |
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Post by arf on Nov 12, 2021 8:46:33 GMT
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Post by mordekai on Nov 12, 2021 8:47:51 GMT
That's... not such a bad idea. Not as bad as any of the options I imagined, anyways...
They could disguise themselves as normal industry: a few tech companies next to a power station next to a rural town...
Coyote could chase after them, but maybe Loup would lose interest...
However, what we don't know is what advantages they would lose by getting away from the Seed of Bismouth and the Forest...
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Post by madjack on Nov 12, 2021 8:55:25 GMT
I'm thinking back to this page, where Loup points out that the Forest only appears as trees and grass because that is the way humans have been taught to perceive the world. Maybe the Court is the same way, and the ocean isn't an ocean but something else entirely? |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Nov 12, 2021 9:44:25 GMT
Maybe, but it feels a little off. This was apparently something he learned before he started destroying the Court, and is apparently what inspired him. So the moving plan isn't in response to Loup and the forest screwing things up? |
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Post by Igniz on Nov 12, 2021 10:49:48 GMT
So the moving plan isn't in response to Loup and the forest screwing things up? "The Court is going to move on with their plan despite all this mess." From that line, we can deduce that such plan (as with others from the Court's higher-ups) has been in the oven for quite some time, most surely dating back to before Loup came into the scene. |
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Post by Timberwere on Nov 12, 2021 11:38:28 GMT
Probably FROM america. The coyote (as the animal) is native to north america. So its either a pull back to the old country, or the gunnerkrigg court world is all mixed up anyway, and real life parallels go out the window. Which is fine for me Coyote isn't from the Forest, he moved there along with Renard and Ysengrin. To add to what flowsthead said: That story is an extra comic found here. Plus: Gunnerkrigg Court is explicitly set in the UK. See Tom's comment on the very first page, as well as the first bonus page. |
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Post by machiavelli33 on Nov 12, 2021 11:56:40 GMT
Whoa. Nobody was expecting this plan.
The instinctual interpretation of "across the ocean" is America. According to Coyote's side comic, Coyote is STILL THERE, despite hanging out in Gillitie Wood for as long as he has. Perhaps this is why the Shadow Men wanted to corral him before completing their move - Coyote *complicated* the setup of the present court, what with boosting the power of the Wood, and creating the Annan Waters. Perhaps with the possibility of Coyote welcoming them after they move, they seek to prevent such complications from happening again - and heck, if they perfected the tech needed to pacify Coyote, they'd technically be able to use it to deal with complications occurring from ANY god, not just Coyote.
But also like - what if it wasn't America? What if it was....France? Or Scandinavia? Or JAPAN.
...Ah. If only Ysengrin could be here to hear this. Of all the major characters in the wood, he'd be undoubtedly the most pleased at the humans' departure.
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Post by todd on Nov 12, 2021 12:51:52 GMT
This one came as a surprise to me, though I'd often wondered why the Court hadn't taken that approach a long time ago; it would certainly have been a much better way of solving their problems with the Forest than the methods it did use (murdering Jeanne, entrapping Renard, etc.). I'd wondered, in fact, if the reason why the Court hadn't done that was that they had to be near Gillitie Wood and the Seed Bismuth for their project to work, that it was the only place in the world where they could fulfill their goal (whatever it was).
Presumably the plan is to move to a new location that doesn't have a lot of etheric beings nearby who'd feel threatened by the Court's experiments, allowing it to complete them in peace. (Assuming, as I mentioned above, that the two don't have to go together, that the Court's experiments can only function near a gathering of etheric beings.)
But it comes as a big shock - a feeling that we may indeed be nearing the end of the story. I can't imagine the story continuing in an easily recognizable form after that big move (Gillitie Wood was such an important component, for one thing). Maybe the move will get cancelled, but it still suggests that we're in the final stage of the comic.
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Post by blahzor on Nov 12, 2021 12:56:30 GMT
The court is going to meet a woman, marry her and move to America
I see you Tom
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Post by philman on Nov 12, 2021 13:47:57 GMT
Hmm, this is not where I was expecting us to go at all! Although I wonder how literal this ocean is? We had a whole chapter devoted to a metaphorical ocean inside the robots' minds, and Coyote is indeed from America in the first place, and travelled across many oceans to get to where he is now. Actually thinking about it, the theme of vast oceans and attempts to g to, or across them, comes up a lot on Gunnerkreigg Court. In addition to the She gave us an ocean chapter above, the first attempt at elevating robots to a higher plane with their new bodies occurs at sea in the Love Boat chapter, the ending of Traveller explicitly involves a character travelling into the ocean knowing they will never return, even the joke page at the end of the Catalyst chapter involved returning to the ocean. I wonder if there are even more references to the ocean that I have missed. |
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Post by lurkerbot on Nov 12, 2021 13:51:14 GMT
My thoughts exactly. Also, Michelle's (Shell's) revelation might shed more light on the real purpose behind Anthony's assignment in Get Lost. |
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Post by fia on Nov 12, 2021 14:23:05 GMT
Okay, someone has to say this: the Court is Elon Musk / Jeff Bezos / input your (least) favorite space-obsessed rich guy.
Sure, they have billions of dollars with which they could laser focus on human caused climate change, alleviating child poverty or homelessness, curing chronic and terminal illnesses, or even funding projects to study the understudied ocean floor, but instead they want to build rockets and (mostly Elon Musk) colonize Mars so they can exploit people in a *new* place.
To be fair at least the Court does a better job of taking in refugees than the developed world in our reality.
Okay okay to be triple fair probably the Court COULD build a moon or Mars colony but so far has *chosen* to stay on Earth and arguably might be fleeing because the Gods are scary fickle beings. I just couldn't help but make the connection.
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Post by mordekai on Nov 12, 2021 14:27:58 GMT
This one came as a surprise to me, though I'd often wondered why the Court hadn't taken that approach a long time ago; it would certainly have been a much better way of solving their problems with the Forest than the methods it did use (murdering Jeanne, entrapping Renard, etc.). I'd wondered, in fact, if the reason why the Court hadn't done that was that they had to be near Gillitie Wood and the Seed Bismuth for their project to work, that it was the only place in the world where they could fulfill their goal (whatever it was). Presumably the plan is to move to a new location that doesn't have a lot of etheric beings nearby who'd feel threatened by the Court's experiments, allowing it to complete them in peace. (Assuming, as I mentioned above, that the two don't have to go together, that the Court's experiments can only function near a gathering of etheric beings.) But it comes as a big shock - a feeling that we may indeed be nearing the end of the story. I can't imagine the story continuing in an easily recognizable form after that big move (Gillitie Wood was such an important component, for one thing). Maybe the move will get cancelled, but it still suggests that we're in the final stage of the comic. A "leave the Forest" backup plan probably always existed, but they only put it into motion after Loup's attack. They probably knew that Coyote could chase after them if they left, and Coyote seemed quite agreeable most of the time, anyways, so they didn't try to escape before, but Loup has left them with little choice... |
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Post by crater on Nov 12, 2021 15:06:12 GMT
wait I thought they were going to space
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Post by dawolf on Nov 12, 2021 15:09:29 GMT
That's a really bad plan though?
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Post by shaihulud on Nov 12, 2021 15:22:34 GMT
Boy, Maybe this really is the end of Zimmy content, if they don't take the Chester students...
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Post by Nnelg on Nov 12, 2021 15:24:47 GMT
"And we also are leaving because all this is to become a radioactive desert." A Scorched Land policy seems to be a very realistic way of the Court dealing with something they can not dominate. Hm, what exactly suggests this besides our preconceptions, though? What examples do we have of the Court taking such a spiteful policy? While Deigo did, one individual doesn't represent the entire Court. The Court took his advice, but that may have been simply because they couldn't come up with anything better. And the modern Court especially, what have we seen? A whole lot of abandoning anything deemed a failure. But not destroying it, even when it might pose a future danger (i.e. Zimmy). |
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Post by bicarbonat on Nov 12, 2021 15:30:47 GMT
"Ya see, there's too many of these new-fangled fake humes running around here, what with all the faeries, and now the elves, and the robots,..." I did not see this coming, btw, and also, why do you need to trap Coyote for that? Was he not only keeping the Forest and Court seperate, but also the Court stuck in place? Might be good to have Coyote's power to forestall any repeats of the rough beginnings they had in Europe. If you have a forest god's creative (and destructive) power at your complete service, I'd think that helps a lot with construction and suppressing supernatural opposition to it. Chaos is essential to the ether and the Court had a parasitic effect on the very etheric Forest, so God only knows how their dream of organized chaos would go. Probably as swimmingly as the rain project with Zimmy. And probably more easily without interference . Even if Loup doesn't get the final power from Renard, best believe the Court's gunning for it. My thoughts exactly. Also, Michelle's (Shell's) revelation might shed more light on the real purpose behind Anthony's assignment in Get Lost. Bang on. Message courtesy of Omega. I'm increasingly curious to see what kind of poor wretch the Court has pressed (or thinks it has pressed) into service as their prognosticator. |
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Post by ctso74 on Nov 12, 2021 17:51:19 GMT
The court is going to me a woman marry her and move to America I see you Tom Came to say the same. I wonder if the attempt to "steal" Coyote's power, may been more about preventing him from interfering, and gaining the power was a side benefit. The seemingly sudden destruction of the Annan Waters may have accelerated the Court's plans. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 12, 2021 18:03:41 GMT
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-oh that makes a lot of sense, actually. But WOW that was an unexpected twist!!!! I love how Tom really primed us to assume that the Court was up to something extremely sinister and destructive, like enslaving magic or taking over the world or something, but their real ultimate plan was literally just...moving. After all, in Paz's words, "The Court isn't a big monster that does as it pleases, es a collection of people, working to do what they think is right." And from an ordinary, human, perspective, which has nothing to do with our protagonists...moving away from the Forest could easily seem like the right thing to do. After recent events, obviously, but also, the Forest has been a pretty frequent problem since long before Loup came to be. It puts their students in danger, for crying out loud! And if they took Ysengrin (the former Forest Medium) to be representative of the Forest peoples' feelings, the Court's presence certainly isn't doing those folks any favors, either. Sure, the founders seemed to be committed to this place, but that was centuries ago, and the new Court is full of modern people with modern goals that surely have nothing to do with the Gillitie Forest or the Gunnerkrigg architectural complex. So why not just move away, and make everyone happy?
I mean, obviously it won't make everyone happy, and will in fact cause pretty severe consternation from a lot of people that we, the audience, have grown to love over the course of the comic, but it's not like the Court knows that. And even if they did, it's not like they'd feel obligated to change their massive, institution-changing, plan, just because a few students are engaged in their own weird personal projects that can't be moved easily. What's that you say? They're not just "personal projects"? They're going to change the world, bridging the fundamental gap between magic and science, human and non-human, mechanical and biological? Ohohoho, well, teenage girls are always saying things like that, but I'm sure it isn't nearly as a big a deal as they make it out to be. They'll understand when they're older, I'm sure.
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Post by speedwell on Nov 12, 2021 18:24:46 GMT
The benefits of a classical education (that's a joke, folks, I grew up in America) and further readings in classical philosophy and Renaissance alchemy lead me to believe the destination may be one of the mythological islands of the mystical West such as Hy-Brasil (not to be confused with the country of Brazil), the Isle of Antillia (not to be confused with the Antilles), Avalon, or Atlantis.
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