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Post by theonethatgotaway on Oct 1, 2021 7:09:48 GMT
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Post by jda on Oct 1, 2021 7:13:31 GMT
Finally.
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Post by philman on Oct 1, 2021 7:35:32 GMT
Whats with those giant eyes Renard?
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Post by madjack on Oct 1, 2021 7:39:59 GMT
Whats with those giant eyes Renard? I think anyone would be a bit on edge if a giant tidal wave of trees and earth crashed into their town. Edit: That probably felt like an earthquake for everyone in the Court. |
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 1, 2021 10:43:17 GMT
I am finally asking myself whether this phone line only works one-way. So Renard can't call Annie, only she can call him?
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Post by blahzor on Oct 1, 2021 11:35:11 GMT
who is this Renard guy?
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 1, 2021 13:35:34 GMT
Rey: "Is Ratatoskr there? Tell him, he still owes me twenty nuts."
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Post by TBeholder on Oct 1, 2021 15:35:43 GMT
He's that hairy dude who had a crush on Surma. |
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Post by blazingstar on Oct 1, 2021 18:12:59 GMT
Hooray! Annie finally called Renard, which many of us had been begging her to do through the computer screen! I am finally asking myself whether this phone line only works one-way. So Renard can't call Annie, only she can call him? Good question. I thought this would be a simple answer, but it isn't. Before, Renard might have been able to initiate contact, but only if she's using the blinker stone. After the change to his "familiar" status, it might only be one-way. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 1, 2021 19:34:23 GMT
Wow it's WERID to hear Renard saying stuff like, "I'll tell your father so he can help us", after everything...but I have to admit, it makes sense here. After Parley & Eglamore, he's probably the most competent person they know in matters of adventure & emergency response, who would also be immediately willing to help them without waiting for bureaucracy.
Actually, wait...isn't that Jones? Hm. Well, I guess she's a lot harder to get ahold of than Tony, so it still balances out.
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Post by saardvark on Oct 1, 2021 22:15:08 GMT
Hmm. If Renard was only aware of an alert, the forest wave must not have penetrated too far into the Court. So that rules out that this was some scheme to carpet over the Court with the forest (even tho that probably wasn't the most likely scenario)....
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Post by todd on Oct 2, 2021 0:04:23 GMT
Rey: "Is Ratatoskr there? Tell him, he still owes me twenty nuts." It'd be an appropriate time for that remark; October is Squirrel Awareness Month. |
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Post by Runningflame on Oct 2, 2021 0:12:29 GMT
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Post by lurkerbot on Oct 2, 2021 0:34:03 GMT
Wow it's WERID to hear Renard saying stuff like, "I'll tell your father so he can help us", after everything...but I have to admit, it makes sense here. After Parley & Eglamore, he's probably the most competent person they know in matters of adventure & emergency response, who would also be immediately willing to help them without waiting for bureaucracy. Actually, wait...isn't that Jones? Hm. Well, I guess she's a lot harder to get ahold of than Tony, so it still balances out. Jones, by her own admission, has little capacity for initiative and has chosen to observe events rather than influence them. I think these aspects of her character makes her ill-suited to be part of a rescue mission despite her great strength and apparent indestructablity. On a somewhat-related note, it just now occurs to me that Jones probably could have forced a passage through the ironwood to retrieve the Lake Water. But knowing of her non-interference policy, probably no one thought to ask her. |
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Post by saardvark on Oct 2, 2021 0:58:12 GMT
Annie could have used Coyote's tooth to cut a passage as well, though it would have been very slow going since the blade is short! |
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Post by aline on Oct 2, 2021 10:17:17 GMT
Wow it's WERID to hear Renard saying stuff like, "I'll tell your father so he can help us", after everything...but I have to admit, it makes sense here. After Parley & Eglamore, he's probably the most competent person they know in matters of adventure & emergency response, who would also be immediately willing to help them without waiting for bureaucracy. Actually, wait...isn't that Jones? Hm. Well, I guess she's a lot harder to get ahold of than Tony, so it still balances out. It's really not that weird. Especially when you consider they live in the same house. Jones has never exactly been Renard's friend. Outside from Annie and Kat, Rey seems closest to Eglamore, the very man who kept him nailed to the ground for decades, so I'm not even sure what qualifies as "weird" for Renard. |
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Post by Polyhymnia on Oct 2, 2021 13:29:12 GMT
Wow it's WERID to hear Renard saying stuff like, "I'll tell your father so he can help us", after everything...but I have to admit, it makes sense here. After Parley & Eglamore, he's probably the most competent person they know in matters of adventure & emergency response, who would also be immediately willing to help them without waiting for bureaucracy. Actually, wait...isn't that Jones? Hm. Well, I guess she's a lot harder to get ahold of than Tony, so it still balances out. It's really not that weird. Especially when you consider they live in the same house. Jones has never exactly been Renard's friend. Outside from Annie and Kat, Rey seems closest to Eglamore, the very man who kept him nailed to the ground for decades, so I'm not even sure what qualifies as "weird" for Renard. Regardless of whether it’s objectively weird, it still feels weird for him to casually say “I’ll go get your father” because for so much of the story, the characters were largely independent of adults even when in a crisis. That’s not to say they were better off by themselves (the cruise ship scenario could have gone terribly, terribly wrong), but it’s still weird for the first reaction to a crisis to get adult help, and especially to get parental help. |
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Post by saardvark on Oct 2, 2021 13:44:55 GMT
Jones has never exactly been Renard's friend. Outside from Annie and Kat, Rey seems closest to Eglamore, the very man who kept him nailed to the ground for decades, so I'm not even sure what qualifies as "weird" for Renard. And on the flipside of that relationship, in spite of all that Rey did (killing Danny and his best bud Sivo), because of his true remorse and perhaps also how well Rey now takes care of Annie, Eggs forgives him and they are friends of sorts. Which is a lot more understanding than the Eggman shows Tony - he who "stole" Surma (by accident), is at least as regretful about her ( un-desired!) passing, and also cares for Annie (in his own odd way)... |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 2, 2021 16:05:28 GMT
I wonder if she could have. Ironwood should be fibrous as well as tough. If the stuff is resistant to heat-lasers then it's possibly low in moisture content compared to other woods (maybe very low). If it's elastic (as opposed to brittle) then the best Jones could do would be to remove individual handfuls at a time which could well be slower and less safe than having a team of elves shift the stuff. Not that the Antimonies were thinking about it, but it was also an excuse to get the Court people and Wood people working together. |
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Post by Gemminie on Oct 3, 2021 3:36:51 GMT
Sorry I'm late on this one. Lots to do. But anyway, James accepts Annie's assurance that she'll be OK, then (presumably with Parley's assistance – I mean, we don't see her, but we assume she was involved because of the sound effect) he teleports away. The next two tiny frames might be there to suggest that she's stepping out of sight of the Forest creatures for a moment.
And she finally does what everybody's been wondering why she hasn't done for weeks now: contacts Renard. We don't see what's going on where he is, but "some sort of alert" is happening, and he doesn't know what it's all about. Because of this we can assume that the Forest wave Loup initiated didn't make it all the way to wherever Renard is. Where is Renard? Well, he's somewhere near Tony, because he says he's going to go tell him the news, but does that mean they're both at the Carver home? Not necessarily, but it's the most likely answer. Also, Renard's eyes are wide, and we see pupils in them, meaning that he's quite upset/worried/agitated.
Annie alludes to a continuing unanswered question: did Loup cause the Forest wave intentionally, or did he just let go of his hold on the Forest, which then did the wave on its own? And, of course, we still don't know what's happened to Cvet and the Shadow Men (not a bad name for a band).
And then, of course, Renard raises another question: who exactly is "we," and how exactly are "we" coming to get Annie? Is he referring to just Tony and himself, or is Kat involved too? Anyone else, like Kat's parents, or perhaps an army of concerned androids? Won't Annie object to this, because she's not just worried about herself; she wants all the Forest creatures rescued too? And besides, how are they going to find her, anyway? She knows she's somewhere in the vicinity of the old registration building, I suppose, but it looks like it's been uprooted; how far has it been carried? Other than that, there are no landmarks she can see. And furthermore, she's just allowed James and Parley to leave so she can help the Forest creatures herself. She's probably going to be a bit indignant at Renard for questioning her ability to handle the situation about two seconds later.
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Post by Gemminie on Oct 3, 2021 3:55:33 GMT
I am finally asking myself whether this phone line only works one-way. So Renard can't call Annie, only she can call him? Wow, this is a good question, and I can't believe I haven't asked this one either. Renard says he can't see Annie's thoughts unless she expressly wants him to. But I don't think we've seen Renard contact Annie; she contacts him (and at one point Loup contacts him via Annie). So far it looks as if your hypothesis is consistent with the evidence. |
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Post by saardvark on Oct 3, 2021 4:17:26 GMT
And then, of course, Renard raises another question: who exactly is "we," and how exactly are "we" coming to get Annie? Is he referring to just Tony and himself, or is Kat involved too? Anyone else, like Kat's parents, or perhaps an army of concerned androids? Won't Annie object to this, because she's not just worried about herself; she wants all the Forest creatures rescued too? And besides, how are they going to find her, anyway? She knows she's somewhere in the vicinity of the old registration building, I suppose, but it looks like it's been uprooted; how far has it been carried? Other than that, there are no landmarks she can see. And furthermore, she's just allowed James and Parley to leave so she can help the Forest creatures herself. She's probably going to be a bit indignant at Renard for questioning her ability to handle the situation about two seconds later. there might be some minor conflict coming up, since Rey is raising a posse to "rescue" Annie, and probably bring her to safety deep in the Court, and *she* wants to help the Forest folk get safe first, as a reasonable Forest medium might do. |
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 3, 2021 17:59:33 GMT
He's that hairy dude who had a crush on Surma. Ah, you mean Eglamore.
Wow it's WERID to hear Renard saying stuff like, "I'll tell your father so he can help us", after everything...but I have to admit, it makes sense here. After Parley & Eglamore, he's probably the most competent person they know in matters of adventure & emergency response, who would also be immediately willing to help them without waiting for bureaucracy. Actually, wait...isn't that Jones? Hm. Well, I guess she's a lot harder to get ahold of than Tony, so it still balances out. Rey can likely find Tony much faster. If Jones is needed as well, Tony can call her on her mobile phone. |
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Post by quinnr on Oct 4, 2021 1:12:05 GMT
I feel like now would be a good time to fill in Renard on the tooth of the matter. He's one of a few characters who's had an ongoing relationship with Coyote, maybe he'd have some input!
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Post by drmemory on Oct 5, 2021 2:11:50 GMT
Hooray! Annie finally called Renard, which many of us had been begging her to do through the computer screen! I am finally asking myself whether this phone line only works one-way. So Renard can't call Annie, only she can call him? Good question. I thought this would be a simple answer, but it isn't. Before, Renard might have been able to initiate contact, but only if she's using the blinker stone. After the change to his "familiar" status, it might only be one-way. Renard is a several hundred-year old godlike being, though more of a trickster than one that throws his weight around. Annie is a teenage girl. Maybe Renard just doesn't spend his days monitoring what she's thinking? He's been shown to have his own life in the court...
We haven't been shown anything that causes automatic communication over the familiar link. Perhaps Annie should read the freakin' book!
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Post by shadow3 on Oct 5, 2021 3:10:58 GMT
He's your father. Join him, and together you can rule the galaxy. |
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 5, 2021 10:26:33 GMT
Hooray! Annie finally called Renard, which many of us had been begging her to do through the computer screen! Good question. I thought this would be a simple answer, but it isn't. Before, Renard might have been able to initiate contact, but only if she's using the blinker stone. After the change to his "familiar" status, it might only be one-way. Renard is a several hundred-year old godlike being, though more of a trickster than one that throws his weight around. Annie is a teenage girl. Maybe Renard just doesn't spend his days monitoring what she's thinking? He's been shown to have his own life in the court... Generally I would agree (though he did show a great interest in her personal life initially). What made me think about how the link works is that the first thing he does when she calls him is ask her what's going on and telling her there's been an alarm... One would expect him to call her immediately and tell her this, if he was able to. |
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Post by warrl on Oct 5, 2021 16:19:25 GMT
Renard presumably knew that Annie was in the middle of a rather touchy meeting with Loup, so may have chosen to avoid the risk of distracting her at a critical moment.
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Post by drmemory on Oct 7, 2021 5:34:34 GMT
Renard presumably knew that Annie was in the middle of a rather touchy meeting with Loup, so may have chosen to avoid the risk of distracting her at a critical moment. Good point. That would make sense.
A less likely theory - maybe Annie finally read the "Familiars for Dummies" book and now knows how to control the link? So she could like put him on ignore or something when desired. Naw, I doubt Annie ever got around to reading the book.  |
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