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Post by madjack on Jul 28, 2021 7:05:08 GMT
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Post by stclair on Jul 28, 2021 7:05:43 GMT
and the next strip will be #2500.
mmm, round numbers.
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Post by flowsthead on Jul 28, 2021 7:15:49 GMT
Well as Ysengrin was a pseudo father figure for Annie, we can't have a mythology related story without a little patricide as seasoning.
Bets on Renard taking over the Forest? Or maybe it should be Zimmy? Probably not enough chaos in Renard to handle it. Zimmy's got plenty of chaos in her.
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Post by arf on Jul 28, 2021 7:23:28 GMT
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Post by madjack on Jul 28, 2021 7:24:54 GMT
Bets on Renard taking over the Forest? Or maybe it should be Zimmy? Probably not enough chaos in Renard to handle it. Zimmy's got plenty of chaos in her. Probably too much chaos, not even the Forest monsters would go near them... |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 28, 2021 9:41:09 GMT
I am a bit disappointed the Shadow Men's trap seems to be evaded already. Well as Ysengrin was a pseudo father figure for Annie, we can't have a mythology related story without a little patricide as seasoning. Bets on Renard taking over the Forest? Or maybe it should be Zimmy? Probably not enough chaos in Renard to handle it. Zimmy's got plenty of chaos in her. Hmm. Renard was never interested in power or authority. All he ever wanted to do was observe the humans, occasionally play a trick on someone, and spend time with his friends. But I imagine if the alternative would be letting Gillitie die, Renard would not hesitate to step up as Coyote's successor.
Bets on Renard taking over the Forest? Or maybe it should be Zimmy? Probably not enough chaos in Renard to handle it. Zimmy's got plenty of chaos in her. Probably too much chaos, not even the Forest monsters would go near them... Except Those Elf Kids of course. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 28, 2021 10:49:16 GMT
There can be a connection without there being any particular cause, I think. Zeta has something like divine power though she can't control it, so it's not strange that she may be in tune with major things that are happening in the etherium. She probably isn't aware as Coyote would be of such things but she should be able to sense that something big is up. Additionally: If Zeta is a busted floodgate and Coyote (or "Loup") is a fully functional one, Aata seems to be a non-functional closed one or maybe a spillway. Here in the Court or Wood he's closer to the ether so he can manage a bit of flow because of the high ether levels that he might struggle with (or not be able to do) elsewhere. |
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Post by ohthatone on Jul 28, 2021 11:14:00 GMT
Sure SHE'LL be fine 😑
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Post by speedwell on Jul 28, 2021 12:33:23 GMT
I am a bit disappointed the Shadow Men's trap seems to be evaded already. Evaded with a capital E that rhymes with B and that stands for BOOM. Paraphrasing the famous musical tune here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI_Oe-jtgdI  |
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Post by todd on Jul 28, 2021 12:36:45 GMT
Hmm. Renard was never interested in power or authority. All he ever wanted to do was observe the humans, occasionally play a trick on someone, and spend time with his friends. But I imagine if the alternative would be letting Gillitie die, Renard would not hesitate to step up as Coyote's successor. Renard does seem like the most feasible candidate for the new "forest lord" of the cast. With the challenge, of course, that the Court would want *nobody* to succeed Coyote and Loup, and would see Gillitie Wood as withering and dying as a good thing. (Though it'd be tempting to have it turn out that the Forest's nearby presence and etheric nature are crucial to the Court's work, and that without it, the Court will also fade, in some other way.) |
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Post by davidm on Jul 28, 2021 12:40:50 GMT
"Loup will agree it is a wonderful plan..." so obviously something extra going on like the forest animals who want to be killed to become humans, or Coyote wants to go to ROTD or transfer to new kat robots or afterlife or something.
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Post by DonDueed on Jul 28, 2021 14:08:56 GMT
Bets on Renard taking over the Forest? Or maybe it should be Zimmy? Probably not enough chaos in Renard to handle it. Zimmy's got plenty of chaos in her. At the moment, at least, Rey is linked to Annie as a familiar. That would seem to exclude him as a free agent forest god.
However...
How about a team of Annie and Rey? She's already the forest medium, and with Rey as her ethereal muscle, she might well be able to manage Gillitie Wood.
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Post by saardvark on Jul 28, 2021 14:27:49 GMT
"see you one last time" ...
I'm suspecting this leaves off "... in my present Coyote form". As several have speculated (including even me!), I think Coyote intends some sort of resurrection in a new form, to truly play out the "resurrected god myth." Maybe via totems and Kat's robo-vessel EZ-bake oven; the Court surely wouldn't want to bring him back.... unless they thought they had a way to totally control the resulting being. Abject failure of their recent attempt at Forest god containment should put the chill on any idea along those lines though....
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 28, 2021 14:37:54 GMT
I'm not seeing Loup agree, that this is a wonderful plan. There must be some Coyote twists left.
Annie saying "Renard killed Loup" could be a way for them, to hide the Tooth's existence. Plus, Loup is about to swallow the Water, thus the knowledge of the Tooth. He may ignore the Shadowmen, and quickly cut a path to Renard. Renard will have both the Tooth and the power to body-swap. Loup may jump to him, out of both fear and greed.
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 28, 2021 14:58:22 GMT
Coyote's just told Annie he's going to have Loup force her hand; that is, force her to kill Loup. And he continues with that thought here – he tells her that Loup's next actions will leave Annie with little choice. But she still doesn't have the dagger, as far as we know. Well, perhaps she did bring it, or perhaps it's as I've been guessing; maybe Renard can send it to her. Or, as I've also been guessing, perhaps Loup's next actions will indeed leave Annie with little choice, but perhaps she won't have to make that choice until later, when she'll have access to the dagger.
This extra-large first panel is still outlined in gray, so time is still stopped for now, but Coyote's releasing his hold on the gears of time. He notices "a much larger strength in [Annie]," and we know her fire power has gotten stronger, but the way he worded it makes me wonder, as if the strength isn't hers but is a separate part of her. Does that mean it can become a separate being? Or is that just a figure of speech? He also says he knows Annie will be fine "in the end." What does that even mean? The end? Does that mean when she dies? Or when he dies? Or when some other sequence of events comes to its conclusion? Anyway, as time starts up again and he streaks away into the distance, he tells her that he will see her one last time. She seems sorry to see him go. I mean, he's done some pretty awful things, but he's also done things to help her. (To help her do things he wants, but still.)
The gray frame border fades to nothing around the second frame, and it's gone completely from the third frame, so time is truly ticking again. The energy of Coyote's memory/echo/fragment seems to recoil back to the Readings Thing, the relay device outside the Forest. In the second frame on this page, the returning energy looks like the end of a whip, about to crack around the machine, and in the third frame it detonates, blowing the machine to bits. I don't know if they're going to get too many "readings" from that device. The horizon is curved in these last two frames, probably an indication of the light-warpingly stupendous amounts of energy involved here. I'm certain this was intentional on Coyote's part; I don't think he wants the Court thinking it can just go stealing his powers whenever it wants.
Well, then. It doesn't look as if Coyote had a conversation with Loup (I could be wrong, though – Coyote could've had a private talk with him during the time stop), but I imagine he'll have those memories back. But now he knows Coyote's plan, whatever it is, and he knows it involves his death at the point of a weapon Coyote gave to Annie. He was already mad, and then these Court guys tried to steal his power, and now he knows Annie's practically fated to kill him. I imagine he'll be pretty aggressive. Get ready, Annie, Parley, and James. Aata was already ready for something, I'm sure, but was he ready for this?
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Post by jda on Jul 28, 2021 15:14:58 GMT
I am a bit disappointed the Shadow Men's trap seems to be evaded already. Probably too much chaos, not even the Forest monsters would go near them... Except Those Elf Kids of course. You know what? SCRHEHW those Elf Kids! Or maybe it should be Zimmy? Probably not enough chaos in Renard to handle it. Zimmy's got plenty of chaos in her. I put 20 cookies on this one. |
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 28, 2021 15:29:09 GMT
I'm not seeing Loup agree, that this is a wonderful plan. Well, agreeing it's a wonderful plan is one thing, but agreeing to go along with it is quite another.No arguments with you there!This is confusing. You're saying that Loup will just automatically know where the dagger is, when all the water will tell him is that Coyote gave it to Annie? Why wouldn't he first assume that she had it with her? And once he realizes she doesn't (actually we don't know she doesn't, but we haven't seen it this chapter), where will he assume it is? He could perhaps try to sense where it is, but that may not be so easy, and he'll likely be pretty busy. We haven't seen Renard since the start of the chapter. Narratively it would be inconsistent for Renard or the dagger to show up now. My guess is that Annie, James, and Parley will be able to fight Loup off, and perhaps the Shadow Men have more tricks up their sleeves. (I can't imagine that Aata made no contingency plans in case their first one failed. That guy has plans within plans.) I'm not sure whether Annie can bluff Loup by pretending to have the dagger, but she might try, which might buy them time. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 28, 2021 15:32:33 GMT
I am a bit disappointed the Shadow Men's trap seems to be evaded already. Evaded with a capital E that rhymes with B and that stands for BOOM. Paraphrasing the famous musical tune here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI_Oe-jtgdI Oh, they got Trouble all right. |
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Post by aline on Jul 28, 2021 16:09:17 GMT
I am a bit disappointed the Shadow Men's trap seems to be evaded already. I'm still expecting plenty of trouble from them. They haven't managed to steal Coyote's powers, but they're still brewing something dangerous and it will explode in everyone's faces soon enough. |
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Post by bicarbonat on Jul 28, 2021 16:23:55 GMT
Renard does seem like the most feasible candidate for the new "forest lord" of the cast. With the challenge, of course, that the Court would want *nobody* to succeed Coyote and Loup, and would see Gillitie Wood as withering and dying as a good thing. (Though it'd be tempting to have it turn out that the Forest's nearby presence and etheric nature are crucial to the Court's work, and that without it, the Court will also fade, in some other way.) The Forest folk would have to stick it out, scatter, or deluge the Court in a refugee situation. With such a high volume moving under duress rather than hatred of their nature, you'd have a lot of folk uninterested in submitting to the Court's assimilation procedure. If the robots, with their increasingly efficient flesh suit conversions, displaced the Court members they viewed as antagonistic to them, it might solve the issue of the Court wanting the Forest to wither (allowing the folk to try for a new leader + return), while also securing a non-servile spot for the Mecha-Humans - ushering in a new age of compacts. Maybe the folk would return the favor and try to teach the Mecha-Humans some stuff to get them a little closer to their asymptotic goal. Very militant Mecha-Humans might have really wicked or recalcitrant Court members choose: consciousnesses blurbed & downloaded into basic robots (which is both not murder and the eternal life without the pall of oblivion that humans so fear, right?); or, reversing the Forest-Human machines, life as Forest folk - after which the machine could be decommissioned. Years later, you'd have a smattering of vanilla mortals, some Humans With Varying Strange Propertiesâ„¢ and robots on one side, and across the way, some Forest folk. |
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Post by fia on Jul 28, 2021 16:40:43 GMT
OhmyFG ––– I was WONDERING WHY ZIMMY'S TEETH FLOATED AWAY like Coyote's when she got pushed into the Zimmyverse. That's a real long shot guess that Zimmy and Coyote maybe share some sort of essence but if that's what happens THAT'S THE MOST SHOCKING LONG PLAY WE'VE SEEN FROM TOM "it was about a hairclip" SIDDELL everrr BECAUSE IT MIGHT MEAN GAMMA IS MFIN' YSENGRIN That's too Wildspec for me, probably. But just thinking about it makes my head hurt. EDIT: I would also believe it if Zimmy is some offshoot of Ysengrin with some Coyote-powers, like Loup. Because of the self-loathing thing, "doing something terrible a long time ago"... |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 28, 2021 17:09:23 GMT
OhmyFG ––– I was WONDERING WHY ZIMMY'S TEETH FLOATED AWAY like Coyote's when she got pushed into the Zimmyverse. That's a real long shot guess that Zimmy and Coyote maybe share some sort of essence but if that's what happens THAT'S THE MOST SHOCKING LONG PLAY WE'VE SEEN FROM TOM "it was about a hairclip" SIDDELL everrr BECAUSE IT MIGHT MEAN GAMMA IS MFIN' YSENGRIN That's too Wildspec for me, probably. But just thinking about it makes my head hurt. EDIT: I would also believe it if Zimmy is some offshoot of Ysengrin with some Coyote-powers, like Loup. Because of the self-loathing thing, "doing something terrible a long time ago"... riffing tangent-wise off your idea: what if Zimmy is the result of a previous Court attempt to "become a god' and steal Coyote's powers? Mostly a failure, but also, partial success: Zimms can warp reality, has some ether contact, strong chaos element, pointy teeth.... |
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Post by rylfrazier on Jul 28, 2021 17:10:11 GMT
It's interesting that Loup knows what's coming but also seems to think he'll have no choice but to go forward with it.
It makes me wonder how much control Loup has over his actions - his demands so far have been chaotic but there's an underlying rationality - he wants all of Coyote's power returned to him because he feels weak and needs to be stronger. He gets angry when people try to stop him from doing whatever he wants and makes grand threats when he is thwarted. He has no compunction regarding threatening to kill Annie's friends to get what he wants.
I suspect it's the uncontrollable rage Coyote has magically concentrated will sweep away his reason and he'll become an uncontrollable, lethal force which Annie will have to kill in order to stop.
That said I would love it if Annie finds another solution. I guess we'll have to see! Either resolution would work narratively.
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Post by shadow3 on Jul 28, 2021 19:14:29 GMT
PREDICTION: Annie becomes Golden Annie and will fight Loup with her laser death rays before finishing him off with the tooth dagger.
Meanwhile Renard passes the time playing Kingdom Hearts on an old playstation that he finds in the lab.
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Post by blazingstar on Jul 28, 2021 19:23:54 GMT
As a Hamilton fan, a much different scene about a powerful figure asking his friend to help him retire comes to mind whenever I hear the words " One Last Time". This one is not nearly as heartwarming. |
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Post by maxptc on Jul 28, 2021 21:01:30 GMT
Bets on Renard taking over the Forest? Or maybe it should be Zimmy? Probably not enough chaos in Renard to handle it. Zimmy's got plenty of chaos in her. If I had to guess, the Court. Without Coyete or Loup, it isn't much more then new territory filled with animals. If they want to end magic, leaving it in anyone else's hands seems counter productive. Edit: I should add, I hope no one takes it over and the forest folk are able to sustain themselves. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jul 29, 2021 4:42:53 GMT
It's interesting that Loup knows what's coming but also seems to think he'll have no choice but to go forward with it. It makes me wonder how much control Loup has over his actions - his demands so far have been chaotic but there's an underlying rationality - he wants all of Coyote's power returned to him because he feels weak and needs to be stronger. He gets angry when people try to stop him from doing whatever he wants and makes grand threats when he is thwarted. He has no compunction regarding threatening to kill Annie's friends to get what he wants. Exactly, and Coyote will probably tell him that the only way the tooth can be returned is by getting stabbed by it. Despite knowing that's certain death, Loup wouldn't be able to resist this final piece of Coyote's power no matter the cost. |
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Post by OrzBrain on Jul 29, 2021 15:11:45 GMT
I am a bit disappointed the Shadow Men's trap seems to be evaded already. I'm still expecting plenty of trouble from them. They haven't managed to steal Coyote's powers, but they're still brewing something dangerous and it will explode in everyone's faces soon enough. Well, if anyone was close enough to that explosion they probably already had their faces rearranged. |
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Post by rylfrazier on Jul 29, 2021 19:28:18 GMT
It's interesting that Loup knows what's coming but also seems to think he'll have no choice but to go forward with it. It makes me wonder how much control Loup has over his actions - his demands so far have been chaotic but there's an underlying rationality - he wants all of Coyote's power returned to him because he feels weak and needs to be stronger. He gets angry when people try to stop him from doing whatever he wants and makes grand threats when he is thwarted. He has no compunction regarding threatening to kill Annie's friends to get what he wants. Exactly, and Coyote will probably tell him that the only way the tooth can be returned is by getting stabbed by it. Despite knowing that's certain death, Loup wouldn't be able to resist this final piece of Coyote's power no matter the cost. I thought that there were quite a few monsters living out there as well. In terms of the relationship between The Court, the Wood and (I assume) England, its never really been established but my guess would be that The Wood represents a land similar to Lord Dunsaney's Elfland (but w/out a ruling body of 'elves' rather more tribal societies) which borders on "normal" england, but with the difference in this story that The Court was created by the seed bismuth a few decades back, and now "elfland" is divided into the court and the wood. It's natural state would be all wood. |
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Post by warrl on Jul 30, 2021 0:30:12 GMT
My somewhat wildspec call on a new Forest Lord, assuming that Loup and Coyote are both out of consideration:
Antimony Carver.
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