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Post by maxptc on Jul 27, 2021 3:47:16 GMT
Coyote's sad face reminds me of this page... in which he can't make Annie do what he wants directly, so he tries to manipulate her using Ysengrin. Hmmm. Coyete thats the same as forcing her to murder, just with extra steps. If she does it to prevent Loup from killing people, it'll be more like justifiable homicide. (Deicide?) Not that that makes things much better. Coyote is acting a bit like a person who tries to get shot by the police. It's not even the killing that gets me. It's the "No see Loup is doing this. I just made Loup and predetermined how the situations around him would unfold and planted a bunch of magical time bombs. So it's not me forcing you to do anything at all." I mean thats just forcing Annie to kill with more steps. |
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Post by Corvo on Jul 27, 2021 3:49:59 GMT
So that's how it happens. Annie is slicing some bread with the Tooth when she hears "Hey, catch me!" and turns in time to see Loup in the air, eyeing the Tooth and exclaiming "Oh no, that was a bad ide-". Such tragedy!
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Post by arf on Jul 27, 2021 5:56:03 GMT
I don't think she carries the Tooth on her. Renard usually carries it, right? That could mean, Eggs and George will be in deep trouble in few moments. Narative-wise, I'm guessing she(or Renard) will use the Tooth when no one is looking. If the Court knew about the Tooth, I imagine Suit-Buddha would quickly yank it. I wonder whether Renard can pass the Tooth through the familiarnet to Annie? (although my feeling that this is not going to be resolving this chapter, or the next.) |
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Post by arf on Jul 27, 2021 5:59:02 GMT
Fun fact: on the various versions of Annie, only on present Annie the hairclip is visible. is revealed. (She had actually lost the clip prior to meeting Coyote, and didn't get it back until Jeanne's friend presented it to her.) (Further thought: whilst in the Annan Water did the ownership of the clip somehow get tangled up with the arrow, and was that why Jeanne didn't attack Annie?) |
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Post by blahzor on Jul 27, 2021 6:28:41 GMT
btw Loup I gave Annie a way to kill you. okay byeeeeee
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Post by blahzor on Jul 27, 2021 6:30:51 GMT
Coyote isn't acting any differently from any other "world god", folks, let alone any other trickster god. "I love you and this is gonna hurt" is typical of gods in general. or he knows that he doesn't actually die because something will just take his place as the world needs chaos in every culture That said, Coyote is a personified force of nature, and what he's saying is going to happen is really not much more than "I'm going to let things take their course". **** Say, why can something that was born because people believed in it die even though people still believe in him? Is that what flavours the experience for Coyote, the idea that he can die, which proves that he actually does exist? (or did, whatever heh) |
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Post by alevice on Jul 27, 2021 17:20:19 GMT
The vision of Annie at three different ages gives me Norn vibes, Its just Annie in different times when she has visited coyote/the forest. all of them wear the same clothes as those ocassions (Coyote Stories/Old Dog's Tricks, She Came From The Forest, Tall Tales) |
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Post by alevice on Jul 27, 2021 17:24:18 GMT
I am also guessing that Loup has accepted his fate and the whole provokation agaisnt annie is a ruse to force her to kill him.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 27, 2021 22:56:55 GMT
Coyote looks like a lamenting cow on the first panel.
How long has it been since he arrived in England? How long has he been into this dance with the court? Three or four centuries, judging by the Founder's attire and not taking the time to research when exactly those clothes were worn.
I think the norn-ish vision is a sign that Coyote is and has manipulated Annie's fate. Notably, the oldest Annie is dressed like an elf or Ysengrin. This is the official attire of the Forest medium, which she has worn before in official capacity.
Say, why can something that was born because people believed in it die even though people still believe in him? Is that what flavours the experience for Coyote, the idea that he can die, which proves that he actually does exist? (or did, whatever heh) I absolutely agree with this. I don't see how we'll ever see the last of Coyote when tales are still told about him. Now one of those tales will be about how Coyote died. So his death will become part of his canon, just one more thing he's done. (In the end, won't that just give him one more power, the power to die?) And besides, he also left himself in southwestern North America, so at the most we'll see the death of only this instantiation of Coyote. He certainly wouldn't be the first God to officially die, Gods have been killed (and often resurrected) in the myths of many different cultures. Among them Norse, Egyptian and Hindu deities, all of them existing in the GKC universe. I think I even remember a story about Coyote being (sort of) reborn in the body of a buffalo calf.
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Post by speedwell on Jul 28, 2021 2:23:16 GMT
Yes, the Dying God is certainly universal in mythology  The point of it is of course that it's a solar myth and the resurrection is the crucial element. The "death" is really a journey to the underworld. The solar power in this comic is, however, not the Forest, but the Court. It would be interesting to see the Court double as the underworld for Coyote's pre-resurrection journey, though. And remember that this path leads to a glorified form of the god; Gandalf the Grey becoming Gandalf the White. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 28, 2021 9:33:11 GMT
Yes, the Dying God is certainly universal in mythology The point of it is of course that it's a solar myth and the resurrection is the crucial element. The "death" is really a journey to the underworld. The solar power in this comic is, however, not the Forest, but the Court. It would be interesting to see the Court double as the underworld for Coyote's pre-resurrection journey, though. And remember that this path leads to a glorified form of the god; Gandalf the Grey becoming Gandalf the White. The Court gets the sun symbolism in this comic, true. But let's not forget Coyote was the moon once - and doesn't the moon regularly wane and disappear only to grow again to full size? |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 28, 2021 13:59:40 GMT
I think I even remember a story about Coyote being (sort of) reborn in the body of a buffalo calf.
Now that I'd love to see - a baby buffalo with a Coyote smirk and markings! |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 28, 2021 14:03:42 GMT
Yes, the Dying God is certainly universal in mythology The point of it is of course that it's a solar myth and the resurrection is the crucial element. The "death" is really a journey to the underworld. The solar power in this comic is, however, not the Forest, but the Court. It would be interesting to see the Court double as the underworld for Coyote's pre-resurrection journey, though. And remember that this path leads to a glorified form of the god; Gandalf the Grey becoming Gandalf the White. The Court gets the sun symbolism in this comic, true. But let's not forget Coyote was the moon once - and doesn't the moon regularly wane and disappear only to grow again to full size? and the moon only shines by reflecting light from the Sun (Court) - just as Coyote only exists because of the beliefs and myths of humants! |
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 28, 2021 14:26:56 GMT
He certainly wouldn't be the first God to officially die, Gods have been killed (and often resurrected) in the myths of many different cultures. Among them Norse, Egyptian and Hindu deities, all of them existing in the GKC universe. [/div] I think I even remember a story about Coyote being (sort of) reborn in the body of a buffalo calf. [/quote] Indeed, Deicide is known concept of Man, so may very well "exist" in the Ether. Plus, Deicide can play some pretty good death metal, so win-win. |
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The point of it is of course that it's a solar myth and the resurrection is the crucial element. The "death" is really a journey to the underworld.