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Post by madjack on Jun 30, 2021 7:12:41 GMT
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Post by liminal on Jun 30, 2021 7:26:10 GMT
Thumbnail icon spotted, popcorn ready.
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Post by madjack on Jun 30, 2021 7:29:08 GMT
Also, Parley's black sleeves make her hands look disembodied in panel 2.
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Post by philman on Jun 30, 2021 8:20:01 GMT
Loup, your insanity is showing through.
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Post by faiiry on Jun 30, 2021 8:32:26 GMT
Called it, and the panel of Loup charging at Parley and that guy is pretty horrifying too.
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Post by machiavelli33 on Jun 30, 2021 8:38:00 GMT
Also, Parley's black sleeves make her hands look disembodied in panel 2. Parley's secret weapon isn't her teleportation, that was just a ruse. It's that she is actually Rayman. |
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Post by laaaa on Jun 30, 2021 8:56:15 GMT
Meh. I felt like Annie walked right into that one.
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Post by merry76 on Jun 30, 2021 9:28:11 GMT
Meh. I felt like Annie walked right into that one. I feel they all did.
But then again, they came for her protection (I guess - what else do you need the two strongest fighters you have anywayy), shouldnt they have some aces up their sleeves that work against Loup? I mean, why try to be the protector of someone if you cant even stand against the enemy you know you are facing?
I know they cant put a dent into Loup, but lets just send them along to pose? That would never have happened. They probably have extremely potent wards up their butts for something like that.
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 30, 2021 10:53:48 GMT
Well, Annie better threw this vial somewhere where Loup is forced to catch it before it all spills.
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Post by aline on Jun 30, 2021 12:13:57 GMT
Annie really playing catch with the mad supernatural godlike creature  It still feels like Loup is lashing out and stalling because he's nervous about the whole impeding death thing. Welp. No more time I guess. Can't wait to see how Coyote's plan unfolds. |
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Post by aline on Jun 30, 2021 12:31:00 GMT
Meh. I felt like Annie walked right into that one. I feel they all did.
But then again, they came for her protection (I guess - what else do you need the two strongest fighters you have anywayy), shouldnt they have some aces up their sleeves that work against Loup? I mean, why try to be the protector of someone if you cant even stand against the enemy you know you are facing?
I know they cant put a dent into Loup, but lets just send them along to pose? That would never have happened. They probably have extremely potent wards up their butts for something like that.
They absolutely had a reason to be there. Annie and Parley, to help get Annie out of there quickly if necessary - they can't kill Loup but that doesn't mean they can't protect her. The shadow men, they definitely have their own little plan. And walked into what? This wasn't a trap, Loup's been threatening to murder everybody since the minute he was born, and he's stated to Annie that he could get through the barrier and destroy the Court if he wanted. It may or may not be true, but why wouldn't a creature of his powers find a way around that? The only reason Loup stopped his attacks on the Court was because he needed them to retrieve the missing items for him, and now that he's getting the lake water back, that reason is going to be gone soon. I don't know why everyone seems to think hiding in the basement would be be the clever decision here. For sure the Court dudes have some aces up their sleeves and if they aren't going to play them now, they might as well jump into the sea. |
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Jun 30, 2021 13:44:09 GMT
sigh
Honestly I don't know why I thought dying was a good idea
I mean just look at this idiot
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Post by lurkerbot on Jun 30, 2021 14:09:12 GMT
I notice that Antimony was holding and is now tossing the Lake Water vial with her left hand despite her receiving it from Aata with her right hand. A quick search shows that she seems to be right-hand dominant ( here, here, and here as a couple of examples among many), so either she subconsciously grabbed the vial from a left-side pocket (I'm assuming, but why did she stash it on her left?), she's at least somewhat ambidextrous, or I'm reading waaaay too much into this. |
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Post by saardvark on Jun 30, 2021 14:49:03 GMT
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Post by laaaa on Jun 30, 2021 15:02:20 GMT
And walked into what? This wasn't a trap, Loup's been threatening to murder everybody since the minute he was born, and he's stated to Annie that he could get through the barrier and destroy the Court if he wanted. It may or may not be true, but why wouldn't a creature of his powers find a way around that? By saying "I felt like Annie walked right into that one" I meant that it had already been established that: A) Loup kinda doesn't want to harm Annie, and if she ever doubts that he'll grind the flesh of her bones. B) He's doesn't mind harming people/creatures who are not Annie. C) Right next to Annie there are people who are not Annie. So it seemed to me blatantly obvious that her statement "because you and I both know you aren't going to hurt me" was going to be followed by Loup's current reaction. To be honest I was surprised that it didn't happen in the previous page. It's less that Parley and Englamore put themselves in danger by coming along, and more that this particular thing that Annie said was likely to backfire. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 30, 2021 17:17:48 GMT
Meh. I felt like Annie walked right into that one. I feel they all did.
But then again, they came for her protection (I guess - what else do you need the two strongest fighters you have anywayy), shouldnt they have some aces up their sleeves that work against Loup? I mean, why try to be the protector of someone if you cant even stand against the enemy you know you are facing? I know they cant put a dent into Loup, but lets just send them along to pose? That would never have happened. They probably have extremely potent wards up their butts for something like that.
Maybe not. I won't say they're not here for Antimony's protection but another bigger reason they're here is that the Court is dissatisfied with the way Antimony has been interacting with the Wood and they were probably planning on jumping in to fix any obvious mistakes she made in the medium-ing, possibly trying to negotiate something out of "Loup" if they had the chance. Aata said something about returning the water on the Court's terms back when he confiscated it, and I can't find the page but I recall back when Antimony was still twins she said something to the effect of the Court thinking she makes things worse every time she goes into the Wood. I notice that Antimony was holding and is now tossing the Lake Water vial with her left hand despite her receiving it from Aata with her right hand. A quick search shows that she seems to be right-hand dominant ( here, here, and here as a couple of examples among many), so either she subconsciously grabbed the vial from a left-side pocket (I'm assuming, but why did she stash it on her left?), she's at least somewhat ambidextrous, or I'm reading waaaay too much into this. Courtnie returned the bone to "Loup" with her left hand also. Maybe she's been keeping her dexter hand free when dealing with "Loup" in case she has to throw some fire at short notice. |
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Post by alevice on Jun 30, 2021 17:38:26 GMT
I was thinking the same thing. I can only think of two things. She is doing this in a less efficient way for him because he wants to prove annie a point about the seriousness of his threats about harm but giving her enough time to react and concede to his whims, OR, he might be less powerful due to the amount of energy being put even now to keep the forest working. |
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Post by alevice on Jun 30, 2021 17:40:05 GMT
Meh. I felt like Annie walked right into that one. I feel they all did.
But then again, they came for her protection (I guess - what else do you need the two strongest fighters you have anywayy), shouldnt they have some aces up their sleeves that work against Loup? I mean, why try to be the protector of someone if you cant even stand against the enemy you know you are facing?
I know they cant put a dent into Loup, but lets just send them along to pose? That would never have happened. They probably have extremely potent wards up their butts for something like that.
hey might be able to open up barriers and other tricks, and then blip annie out of there. They are defending her mostly,not being agressors (on they grounds they really cant be even if they tried) |
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Post by fia on Jun 30, 2021 18:25:29 GMT
I think this entire sequence would be cooler with a soundtrack. Something like: Reluctantly crouched at the starting line
Engines pumping and thumping in time
The green light flashes, the flags go up
Churning and burning, they yearn for the cup
They deftly maneuver and muscle for rank
Fuel burning fast on an empty tank
Reckless and wild, they pour through the turns
Their prowess is potent and secretly stern
As they speed through the finish, the flags go down
The fans get up and they get out of town
The arena is empty except for one man
Still driving and striving as fast as he can
The sun has gone down and the moon has come up
And long ago somebody left with the cup
But he's driving and striving and hugging the turns
And thinking of someone for whom he still burns
He's going the distance
He's going for speed
She's all alone (all alone)
All alone in her time of need
Because he's racing and pacing and plotting the course
He's fighting and biting and riding on his horse
He's going the distance
No trophy, no flowers, no flashbulbs, no wine
He's haunted by something he cannot define
Bowel-shaking earthquakes of doubt and remorse
Assail him, impale him with monster-truck force
In his mind, he's still driving, still making the grade
She's hoping in time that her memories will fade
'Cause he's racing and pacing and plotting the course
He's fighting and biting and riding on his horse
The sun has gone down and the moon has come up
And long ago somebody left with the cup
But he's striving and driving and hugging the turns
And thinking of someone for whom he still burns
'Cause he's going the distance
He's going for speed
She's all alone (all alone)
All alone in her time of need
Because he's racing and pacing and plotting the course
He's fighting and biting and riding on his horse
He's racing and pacing and plotting the course
He's fighting and biting and riding on his horse
He's going the distance
He's going for speed
He's going the distance
Ah no, so sad, alright
Oh no, oh no, no, no |
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Post by Gemminie on Jun 30, 2021 18:39:27 GMT
OK, my impressions in case they help anybody ... on the previous page Loup was just talking about how audacious Annie was being, trying to make him feel guilty for kicking all the tree elves out of the Forest. But here he goes back to something Annie said two pages ago about how he's not going to kill her. As some of us mentioned in the forum (I know I did), he's threatened the lives of those Annie cares about in the past. And in this first page, his tongue lashing around like some kind of purple eel, he looks at Parley and James and outright threatens them.
Annie's clearly feeling the tension; she looks half scared and half angry, and the words she chooses to say are somewhat awkward. The others came of their own free will, whether she wanted them to or not.
Loup then springs into action, with speed lines, tilted camera, and curved ground beneath him, charging straight at what we assume to be Parley and James. He's shouting about how what's about to happen will be on their own heads, then, and this is heavily implying that he fully intends to kill them. His mouth is fully open, fangs slavering, and he can somehow talk intelligibly at the same time because he's Loup.
Annie calls Loup's name and throws the lake water vial. We see a closeup of one of Loup's eyes, looking "back" at her, from one panel to another. And then ... we see the vial, hanging there in the air, suspended in the moment. And in that moment of suspense, the page ends. If that vial falls to the ground, it might break open, the lake water within lost to the soil. Although ... Loup is pretty powerful, so he might be able to stop it in time before that happens, or pull the stuff back out of the soil, or even say that he is the soil so he just ingested that lake water, or something. At any rate, I doubt he wants that stuff to be lost, so he'll probably break off his attack.
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jun 30, 2021 19:58:05 GMT
Well, Annie better threw this vial somewhere where Loup is forced to catch it before it all spills. Well, yeah. I mean, this is a gambit. Annie knows the lake water is important. She knows Loup is unstable. And she knows that Loup really wants the lake water. So the gambit is: throw the vial of lake water in the air, which forces Loup to go catch it since he doesn't want to lose it (e.g. fall and break), which stops him from charging the others. And he's got no other options because too much of his power and concentration is tied up to do anything other than that. Her gambit is: he wants the water more than he wants to kill the others, and he's so eager for it he'll forget about them and open it once he gets its. What Annie is really betting on, though, is that the lake water was Coyote's plan all along for fixing things. Coyote wanted to have the experience of dying, but he knew that the Coyote + Ysengrin combination would be a bipolar monstrosity, and the lake water was his solution. He just had to bait Loup into opening it or drinking it or whatever is required. Now, as to what it will actually do? No clue. Maybe it brings Coyote back. Maybe it just stabilizes Loup. Who knows. But it was something that Loup would not willingly do to himself, so Coyote needed the one thing he is good at: an elaborate, complicated plan that tricked Loup into doing it without realizing what he was doing. |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jun 30, 2021 20:06:04 GMT
Although ... Loup is pretty powerful, so he might be able to stop it in time before that happens, or pull the stuff back out of the soil, or even say that he is the soil so he just ingested that lake water, or something. Normally he's pretty powerful, yes, but Coyote has set Loup up with a forest that is breaking down, and consuming more and more of his power and concentration to maintain it. That's what the previous pages suggest to me, anyway. So Loup's only option here is to literally catch the stuff. |
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Post by hp on Jun 30, 2021 20:22:50 GMT
Besides water and bone, Loup had also asked for Renard's possession power back. Maybe his fetch quests are not ended yet for him to enter endgame
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Post by hp on Jun 30, 2021 20:33:09 GMT
(...) What Annie is really betting on, though, is that the lake water was Coyote's plan all along for fixing things. Coyote wanted to have the experience of dying, but he knew that the Coyote + Ysengrin combination would be a bipolar monstrosity, and the lake water was his solution. (...) From a "doylist" perspective, I doubt it's going to fix things. My guess is it's going to make things worse. Loup seems to be THE major antagonist of theseries and still has to bring about the endgame conflict, Kat and Annie still have to ascend to god mode, etc. I think Loup (or, if he ceases to be around, any damage he does) is still far from "fixing" script-wise, and any fixing will have to be done by Kat and Annie.
The last piece of Coyote Loup needs to get is Renard's power. I suppose Loup is yet to get it and maybe possess/ fuse with Rey, like Ysengrim and Coyote did. Or maybe, Renard might try to possess Loup to stop him and getting the same result (a Y/ R/ C chymera).
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jun 30, 2021 21:50:57 GMT
Maybe "fix" was too strong of a word. "Change" is probably more accurate. As for making things better or worse, Loup is a narcissistic, bipolar Coyote with no restraint, and the only thing keeping him from going nuclear is that he is having to actively manage the forest. From a narrative standpoint, making him worse makes the story boring because then it's just everyone catering to the whims of an all-powerful being with a finger on the switch.
The central conflict is forest vs the Court, not Loup vs. existence. Loup is a catalyst not the endgame.
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Post by lurkerbot on Jun 30, 2021 23:12:43 GMT
Aata said something about returning the water on the Court's terms back when he confiscated it, and I can't find the page but I recall back when Antimony was still twins she said something to the effect of the Court thinking she makes things worse every time she goes into the Wood. Aata's plan for returning the Lake Water is described here, and Antimony's description of the Court's assessment of her efforts is here. |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Jul 1, 2021 3:41:48 GMT
I don't think this will happen, but this is a tiny glass bottle of water. Annie could just laser-beam blast it into steam. Or more likely threaten to do so.
That would bring Loup to heel quickly enough I think.
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Post by maxptc on Jul 1, 2021 3:59:21 GMT
I'm really happy everyone knows it isn't Annie's fault that some of them might die right now. I mean, I assume the lake water toss will prevent that but still, good job updating everyone Loup. Accountability is good.
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Post by aline on Jul 1, 2021 4:58:12 GMT
Loup is a narcissistic, bipolar Coyote with no restraint Let's maybe not diagnose comic villains with mental illnesses that affect real humans. |
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Post by Igniz on Jul 1, 2021 8:52:52 GMT
I was thinking the same thing. I can only think of two things. She is doing this in a less efficient way for him because he wants to prove annie a point about the seriousness of his threats about harm but giving her enough time to react and concede to his whims, OR, he might be less powerful due to the amount of energy being put even now to keep the forest working. It's not a matter of pure power (in fact, he has since honed some of the skills he inherited), but instead, the fact that he is far more unstable now than then. I don't think this will happen, but this is a tiny glass bottle of Coyote disguised as a lake. There, fixed.  |
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