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Post by Timberwere on Jun 25, 2021 7:01:05 GMT
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Post by madjack on Jun 25, 2021 7:02:01 GMT
This is an especially pathetic tantrum.
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Post by faiiry on Jun 25, 2021 7:02:36 GMT
Yikes, hope I’m proven wrong, but I’m sensing a “Maybe I won’t hurt you, but that doesn’t mean I won’t hurt your friends in front of you” type vibe coming up on Monday.
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Post by shinkaii on Jun 25, 2021 7:05:14 GMT
I like how Annie just looks annoyed with Loup's tantrums in the last couple of pages.
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Post by Fishy on Jun 25, 2021 7:06:45 GMT
I could envision Annie saying something to the effect of “Yes, and we both know you’re not gonna do anything about it.” God damn, Annie, he's still only a couple months old. Ya can't just destroy a man like that. |
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Post by arf on Jun 25, 2021 7:19:34 GMT
So, next page: - panel 1: Loup flicks Annie on the nose. - panel 2: Annie is somersaulted back into the crew. - panel 3: Annie stands up in full elemental mode. - panel 4: Annie looms over Loup going "Bleaarrgggghhh!!!". Loup is unimpressed. - panel 5: Annie "Oh, so *that's* how it is, is it? Well, in that case..." - panel 6: Annie rolls on the ground, sobbing "Please don't hurt me. Please!" |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 25, 2021 7:20:29 GMT
I think Antimony has just made a tactical error in trying to shut down "Loup" [edit] in front of an audience [/edit] by stating that they both know that he won't hurt her. If she'd explained or made excuses he could have bitched about it for a while and calmed himself down. Heck, if she'd even said the same thing in a teasing/joking manner he might have laughed it off. Now it's not about her doing things that irritate him, there's an element of dominance in play and I figure that will redirect his annoyance from her to the others. Sure, he won't hurt her but he can take it out on other people to teach her/everyone else a lesson.
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Post by madjack on Jun 25, 2021 8:06:16 GMT
Yikes, hope I’m proven wrong, but I’m sensing a “Maybe I won’t hurt you, but that doesn’t mean I won’t hurt your friends in front of you” type vibe coming up on Monday. I think Antimony has just made a tactical error in trying to shut down "Loup" [edit] in front of an audience [/edit] by stating that they both know that he won't hurt her. If she'd explained or made excuses he could have bitched about it for a while and calmed himself down. Heck, if she'd even said the same thing in a teasing/joking manner he might have laughed it off. Now it's not about her doing things that irritate him, there's an element of dominance in play and I figure that will redirect his annoyance from her to the others. Sure, he won't hurt her but he can take it out on other people to teach her/everyone else a lesson. That is probably the point Aata steps in and announces himself, putting whatever he's planning into motion. |
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Post by kayback on Jun 25, 2021 9:04:58 GMT
I'm expecting Loup to get enraged, the tooth being used to separate Ys and Coyote and then the Court to capture one or the other.
Not claiming any great insight just how I "feel" the story is going.
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Post by blahzor on Jun 25, 2021 10:38:56 GMT
I can't live in a world with confident and correct Annie
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Post by ohthatone on Jun 25, 2021 12:26:45 GMT
Annie. The last time you antagonized this guy the elves were kicked out. Now I'm all for standing your ground despite the consequences, but the does require thinking through said consequences. And thinking things through has not been your strong suit.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jun 25, 2021 13:04:24 GMT
Slap. The. Doggie!
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Post by snipertom on Jun 25, 2021 13:21:40 GMT
The time when Ysengrin snapped was a time when Coyote intentionally pushed one of his PTSD triggers - firstly inducing shame by grovelling to a human (who Ys feels humiliated by), then secondly shaming him contemptuously 'you can't even make the girl do what I want', thirdly telling a story that makes it seem like they are subservient to humans ie inducing further shame and humiliation, then I guess leaving Annie - who is half human - alone with him. In these cases it's not all that surprising that Annie would have accidentally pushed the buttons of someone who was already most of the way into an emotional flashback.
Whereas in this particular case although Loup is triggered/paranoid/pseudopsyschotic due to perceived humiliation/abandonment, Annie saying that he won't hurt her isn't one of his triggers, it's reminding him that he still needs her for the other parts of Coyote, which if anything should snap him back to a more grounded state by engaging his frontal lobe.
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Post by ctso74 on Jun 25, 2021 13:38:14 GMT
She may be Antimony, but she has nerves of steel.
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Post by Gemminie on Jun 25, 2021 14:05:55 GMT
(Previous page: Loup aggressively accuses Annie of trying to disrupt his concentration by becoming one person again and bringing a bunch of other people with her.)
Parley and James are about to spring into action, as Loup is taking up an aggressive stance. I had been wondering whether their monochromatic, low-detail appearance was a sign that they perhaps couldn't see what was happening or maybe were even frozen in time, but neither appears to be the case, as they're reacting to events in a timely fashion.
Then in the second frame we see James in low detail but full color while Parley is both low-detail and monochromatic, so perhaps that's just artistic choice; she's just slightly more in the misty background than he is. Annie gestures to them to hold their action. The camera in frame 2 is oddly close to Annie's head, which appears hugely out of proportion, but that's just what happens when you put your lens there. Is that the outline of Aata further in the background? And some other Shadow Men?
The reason why Annie wanted them to stay back is that she's proceeding with the plan. Taking out the lake water, which has a glow or aura around it, she tells Loup she brought what he asked and asks him to calm down.
Loup, however, is not particularly mollified by this. I notice that the panel border above this row is at a slight angle, while the border below this row is at a bit more of an angle, so panel 4 appears more angular, adding to the visual tension of Loup's response, his agitated state still apparent. The lightning-like energy streaks continue to emanate from Loup's eyes, probably indicating that he's still trying to concentrate on controlling the Forest (because they were there when we first saw him, before he'd started paying any attention to Annie or the others).
And Annie stands her ground quite firmly in the final double-width panel, her face showing intense focus. The Forest background with the black sky has been evident in all the frames, but this one shows some of the floating objects again (and the previous frame had one of them). Annie states that Loup isn't going to hurt her, which is probably technically true, but he might do (and has done in the past) something to her that he doesn't consider hurting her but is still quite inconvenient. Still, Loup's attitude isn't saying "I'm going to inconvenience you"; it's "Grrr back off before I bite you." Annie's not being soothing here; she's showing backbone, which is something Ysengrin would have respected, but will that get through to Loup? What do the Shadow Men think of her choice of diplomatic tactic?
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Post by Gemminie on Jun 25, 2021 14:11:10 GMT
Yikes, hope I’m proven wrong, but I’m sensing a “Maybe I won’t hurt you, but that doesn’t mean I won’t hurt your friends in front of you” type vibe coming up on Monday. Yes, and I didn't think of that, but that's something he's threatened to do in the past. I hope you're wrong too. |
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Post by aline on Jun 25, 2021 18:08:32 GMT
I think Antimony has just made a tactical error in trying to shut down "Loup" [edit] in front of an audience [/edit] by stating that they both know that he won't hurt her. If she'd explained or made excuses he could have bitched about it for a while and calmed himself down. Heck, if she'd even said the same thing in a teasing/joking manner he might have laughed it off. Now it's not about her doing things that irritate him, there's an element of dominance in play and I figure that will redirect his annoyance from her to the others. Sure, he won't hurt her but he can take it out on other people to teach her/everyone else a lesson. He's a wolf. She's showing her teeth and standing her ground. I'm loving that move. I don't think rolling on the ground and showing her belly is going to get her, or anyone else, in a safer place. Ysengrin respected strength and bravery, and he had nothing but contempt for weakness and fear. She's speaking to that side of Loup. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 25, 2021 19:02:00 GMT
I think Antimony has just made a tactical error in trying to shut down "Loup" [edit] in front of an audience [/edit] by stating that they both know that he won't hurt her. If she'd explained or made excuses he could have bitched about it for a while and calmed himself down. Heck, if she'd even said the same thing in a teasing/joking manner he might have laughed it off. Now it's not about her doing things that irritate him, there's an element of dominance in play and I figure that will redirect his annoyance from her to the others. Sure, he won't hurt her but he can take it out on other people to teach her/everyone else a lesson. He's a wolf. She's showing her teeth and standing her ground. I'm loving that move. I don't think rolling on the ground and showing her belly is going to get her, or anyone else, in a safer place. Ysengrin respected strength and bravery, and he had nothing but contempt for weakness and fear. She's speaking to that side of Loup. I didn't say she should surrender or simper. She could have shown some teeth while keeping his focus on her since she knows that he won't attack her. She could have said a number of other things that defused or reframed the situation, too. She isn't trying to get him to calm down, she's trying to make him calm down in front an audience to whom he's already demonstrated trouble controlling the Wood. In other words, she's telling him what to do. In front of a group of beings that is mostly humans. Very suboptimal move imho. |
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Post by saardvark on Jun 25, 2021 19:24:54 GMT
He's a wolf. She's showing her teeth and standing her ground. I'm loving that move. I don't think rolling on the ground and showing her belly is going to get her, or anyone else, in a safer place. Ysengrin respected strength and bravery, and he had nothing but contempt for weakness and fear. She's speaking to that side of Loup. I didn't say she should surrender or simper. She could have shown some teeth while keeping his focus on her since she knows that he won't attack her. She could have said a number of other things that defused or reframed the situation, too. She isn't trying to get him to calm down, she's trying to make him calm down in front an audience to whom he's already demonstrated trouble controlling the Wood. In other words, she's telling him what to do. In front of a group of beings that is mostly humans. Very suboptimal move imho. I think you're both right. She is showing strength and bravery, and that is good, Ys-in-Loup would approve. But she's overplaying it a bit, potentially making him feel like he's backing down in front of a hostile audience who think him an inferior. That could get Ys-in-Loup testy.... might raise the possibility that he counters by threatening said audience. (Coyote-in-Loup, though, is digging all this and finds it very amusing...) |
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