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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 22, 2021 14:34:22 GMT
Backstories excepted I would be shocked if anyone was violently killed in this comic. Permanently turned into an unintelligent animal and cast out into the wild, sure. Stranded on some isolated terrain to never see another human being again and die alone? That'd be surprising but not impossible. Cast into the ether or a void outside reality to never return? Maybe. Directly stripped of their sanity forever, perhaps. But violently killed? Nah. Given how coyote "died" I'd say this comic has the potential for violent deaths. Maybe not violent human deaths, though. The author's expressed a desire to not rely on violence (or bad language, or sex) in the comic more than he has to. The stakes are higher at this climatic moment but I don't see a necessity for someone to get offed so I'm thinking humanity strippage and maybe a disappearing or two as needed. Sudden thought: What if Annie drinks the lake water? Not sure she's equipped to etherically unpack it so the same thing would probably happen if she drank a jar of water taken from a normal lake and sealed for some months, handled and tested by various scientists, and possibly teabagged by Aata that morning in a sophomoric gesture of defiance: nausea, vomiting, emotional scarring, but hopefully not dysentery. And by teabagged I mean he nearly used it to brew tea but then changed his mind. If she is able to unpack it? I guess she remembers that Coyote gave her The Tooth, but from Coyote's perspective? |
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Post by jda on Jun 22, 2021 14:43:31 GMT
Next page he coyotizes and dimisses this with a laugh. My bet. Either that or he goes: "Uh! New insects have come to meet me! And with their hilarious machines!" |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 22, 2021 19:17:49 GMT
Loup is such an unpredictable character. It would be a weird twist if he killed some people in the next few pages, but not outside of what I can imagine happening. Backstories excepted I would be shocked if anyone was violently killed in this comic. Permanently turned into an unintelligent animal and cast out into the wild, sure. Stranded on some isolated terrain to never see another human being again and die alone? That'd be surprising but not impossible. Cast into the ether or a void outside reality to never return? Maybe. Directly stripped of their sanity forever, perhaps. But violently killed? Nah. Characters and creatures in this comic have (sometimes more than once) been bitten to death and ripped open, shot with an arrow, cut in half, ripped in half, eaten alive, stabbed in the chest, stabbed in the face*, gotten their head bashed in, set ablaze and then bitten to death, impaled by a thrown sword, squashed, electrocuted, vaporized and died in bombings. But violently killed? Nah.
*I am aware that the two characters who were stabbed actually survived, but I feel including them made the list even more entertaining to read.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 22, 2021 19:31:10 GMT
Backstories excepted I would be shocked if anyone was violently killed in this comic. Permanently turned into an unintelligent animal and cast out into the wild, sure. Stranded on some isolated terrain to never see another human being again and die alone? That'd be surprising but not impossible. Cast into the ether or a void outside reality to never return? Maybe. Directly stripped of their sanity forever, perhaps. But violently killed? Nah. Characters and creatures in this comic have (sometimes more than once) been bitten to death and ripped open, shot with an arrow, cut in half, ripped in half, eaten alive, stabbed in the chest, stabbed in the face*, gotten their head bashed in, set ablaze and then bitten to death, impaled by a thrown sword, squashed, electrocuted, vaporized and died in bombings. But violently killed? Nah. *I am aware that the two characters who were stabbed actually survived, but I feel including them made the list even more entertaining to read.
I know it's a fine line but I really don't think we'll see any humans violently killed in the comic (backstories, implied off-panel-death, and turned-into-an-animal-or-plant-first doesn't count).  |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 22, 2021 21:36:52 GMT
Characters and creatures in this comic have (sometimes more than once) been bitten to death and ripped open, shot with an arrow, cut in half, ripped in half, eaten alive, stabbed in the chest, stabbed in the face*, gotten their head bashed in, set ablaze and then bitten to death, impaled by a thrown sword, squashed, electrocuted, vaporized and died in bombings. But violently killed? Nah. *I am aware that the two characters who were stabbed actually survived, but I feel including them made the list even more entertaining to read.
I know it's a fine line but I really don't think we'll see any humans violently killed in the comic (backstories, implied off-panel-death, and turned-into-an-animal-or-plant-first doesn't count). Mort's death was indeed only shown in an abstracted way, but here you have Mr. Jones lying dying in the ruins of the destroyed filling factory. Depending on if "your sould being ejected from your body by an intruding spirit" counts as violent, Daniel R. Schiff's death was also shown on-panel.
I think deaths in flashbacks count very much. They are part of the comic, and showing deaths in them is a conscious decision on part of the author.
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Post by maxptc on Jun 23, 2021 2:25:18 GMT
I wonder if Annie had the ability to fix this without Zimmy. Loups reaction makes me think it's possible.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 23, 2021 3:28:20 GMT
I know it's a fine line but I really don't think we'll see any humans violently killed in the comic (backstories, implied off-panel-death, and turned-into-an-animal-or-plant-first doesn't count). Mort's death was indeed only shown in an abstracted way, but here you have Mr. Jones lying dying in the ruins of the destroyed filling factory. Depending on if "your sould being ejected from your body by an intruding spirit" counts as violent, Daniel R. Schiff's death was also shown on-panel. I think deaths in flashbacks count very much. They are part of the comic, and showing deaths in them is a conscious decision on part of the author.
Mr. Jones was shown in the process of dying but the cause and end result weren't shown. Also it's been formsprung that the person possessed by Renard doesn't actually die until Renard leaves the body, as that's when the 'pomp shows up. Dan was doomed when possessed, probably no longer conscious since he's essentially dead at that point (though that's not entirely clear) but he was still not actually dead and in theory saving him might have been possible for a being powerful enough. Though Coyote described it as the body dying when it was used up, as Coyote could leave a body and the possessed didn't die, I figure Renard drags the soul/self out with him when he departs on account of the power being imperfect/Renard not being a god. That dying part wasn't shown. Even when Sivo died the reader can only see part of his body while Renard is coming out but still attached, and even then you can only see part of his shoulder. On the following pages the dead body is only depicted in three panels and from a distance. I know, I know, I'm making a very fine distinction that may sound like sophistry, but I do think there's reason to believe we won't actually see "Loup" kill people. I wonder if Annie had the ability to fix this without Zimmy. Loups reaction makes me think it's possible. If it was Coyote saying it I'd wonder, but I suspect it only means that "Loup" isn't sure that Antimony(s) couldn't do it somehow. |
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Post by aline on Jun 23, 2021 10:20:14 GMT
I wonder if Annie had the ability to fix this without Zimmy. Loups reaction makes me think it's possible. If it was Coyote saying it I'd wonder, but I suspect it only means that "Loup" isn't sure that Antimony(s) couldn't do it somehow. He probably didn't think anybody in the Court had the power to fix that, that's why he did it. He has no idea how she became one again, but in any case, the phrase "You dare reverse what I had done" doesn't imply that Annie did it without help. I don't think Loup really cares whether she reversed it on her own or was helped by Zimmy's reality warping abilities. It's the same to him: an unexpected loss of control, and more proof that he doesn't have as firm a grasp on what is going on as he hoped. |
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Post by Gemminie on Jun 23, 2021 14:29:21 GMT
And then, with very detailed bared teeth and bloodshot eyes, Loup expresses his displeasure that the two Annies have combined into one. I'm quoting myself, I know, but I just realized something – Loup knows the Annies have recombined. Just by looking at her. So how does he know that? I mean, his first thought isn't, "Oh, I see only one of you has come to see me; where's the other one?" So, considering that most of his attention is focused on keeping the Forest together, he can still clearly tell the difference between one Annie of two and Recombined Annie. It must be a particularly easy thing to sense. What does this mean? It could be seen as support for my theory that the two Annies were always there inside her before Loup gave them separate physical forms, and are in fact both still there. Or perhaps Loup put some kind of "spell" on her to split her into two, and he can see that his "spell" is now undone. ("Spell" is in quotation marks because Zimmy would probably laugh at it, just as she laughs at the word "magic." Consider it short for "ongoing etheric effect.") How are these two things different? Well, one of them is a permanent change to reality (duration: instantaneous, in roleplaying terms), while the other is an ongoing effect (duration: permanent until dispelled). |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 23, 2021 17:49:10 GMT
Also it's been formsprung that the person possessed by Renard doesn't actually die until Renard leaves the body, as that's when the 'pomp shows up. Oh, that's interesting. I didn't know that. |
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Post by liminal on Jun 23, 2021 19:31:28 GMT
It recently occurred to me that if they did an animated adaptation of "Gunnerkrigg Court" and it got to Loup, that Loup should be voiced by Coyote and Ysengrin's voice actors speaking in almost-unison. (By "almost-unison", I mean, speaking close enough together that the audience can tell what he's saying, but slightly apart, to give the impression of an imperfect and flawed fusion of the two.) I've thought about this a bit, actually! My take is different from yours, but here: soundcloud.com/backandforthmusical/coysengroup-example/s-52c5qzQhRLq |
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Post by V on Jun 23, 2021 20:33:32 GMT
I'm quoting myself, I know, but I just realized something – Loup knows the Annies have recombined. Just by looking at her. So how does he know that? I mean, his first thought isn't, "Oh, I see only one of you has come to see me; where's the other one?" So, considering that most of his attention is focused on keeping the Forest together, he can still clearly tell the difference between one Annie of two and Recombined Annie. It must be a particularly easy thing to sense. What does this mean? It could be seen as support for my theory that the two Annies were always there inside her before Loup gave them separate physical forms, and are in fact both still there. Or perhaps Loup put some kind of "spell" on her to split her into two, and he can see that his "spell" is now undone. ("Spell" is in quotation marks because Zimmy would probably laugh at it, just as she laughs at the word "magic." Consider it short for "ongoing etheric effect.") How are these two things different? Well, one of them is a permanent change to reality (duration: instantaneous, in roleplaying terms), while the other is an ongoing effect (duration: permanent until dispelled). Nah, that's just the same sense as he used in #2218. Just as he could see Renard was on the line he can now see there's no other Annie further down anymore. |
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Post by rylfrazier on Jun 28, 2021 18:53:49 GMT
Backstories excepted I would be shocked if anyone was violently killed in this comic. Permanently turned into an unintelligent animal and cast out into the wild, sure. Stranded on some isolated terrain to never see another human being again and die alone? That'd be surprising but not impossible. Cast into the ether or a void outside reality to never return? Maybe. Directly stripped of their sanity forever, perhaps. But violently killed? Nah. Given how coyote "died" I'd say this comic has the potential for violent deaths. Maybe not violent human deaths, though. I think some of the market for the books remains a teen / young adult audience, but some degree of bloodshed and death has always been part of GC, so I would be surprised if we has some fatalities at some point. I don't think it's likely that Tom will kill any of the core characters but Tom is unpredictable, so it could happen IMO. |
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