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Post by Gemminie on Jun 8, 2021 21:00:27 GMT
The symbols/antennae on those monument(?) thingies look like the exact reverse of the symbol marking Jeanne's tomb. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=638That's the symbol for ground in electronic schematics, which is probably why Tom's note on that page is "Ground." Which, if these symbols are in some sense the inverse of that one, raises the question: what's the opposite of ground? In electronics, the opposite would be a high voltage (whatever that means for the circuit in question). |
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Post by silicondream on Jun 8, 2021 21:51:10 GMT
...wait. Am I the only one among y'all who thinks Anya can communicate through the Ether? And give Etheric multimedia presentations to Annie (and hopefully Kat, who is really trying to perceive it this time)? Or it just Sarcasm Day on Europa time?
Bruthaz and sistaz, she has a blinker stone. She has a computer, which is her brain, and she is running whatever the GCverse version of Grant Morrison is. If she wants to rechannel Surma's channeled recollections in full curlicued 5-D, she can do this thing.
I did not look up the actual Europa time before making this joke.
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Post by silicondream on Jun 8, 2021 21:53:23 GMT
...and if you're saying "oh no, Anya can't be etheric, she's colored gray," that just means her security is that good.
For the well-intentioned straight-edgers reading this forum, hi! I'm one of you, usually.
The Court reps are preparing for a meeting in the Ether. From their perspective, that means they're preparing to get high out of their fudging minds. Reread the last couple of pages and see if it feels more natural in that context.
*note* I am not running Grant Morrison, I don't think. Wish I knew how to though. sighhh...
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Post by maxptc on Jun 8, 2021 22:45:39 GMT
...wait. Am I the only one among y'all who thinks Anya can communicate through the Ether? And give Etheric multimedia presentations to Annie (and hopefully Kat, who is really trying to perceive it this time)? Or it just Sarcasm Day on Europa time? Bruthaz and sistaz, she has a blinker stone. She has a computer, which is her brain, and she is running whatever the GCverse version of Grant Morrison is. If she wants to rechannel Surma's channeled recollections in full curlicued 5- D, she can do this thing. I did not look up the actual Europa time before making this joke.Communicate though the Ether, no I fully belive that to. Go full Coyete or Forrest child, bending it to her will to present a story she probably didn't have the details of? You might be the only one, but I doubt it. |
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Post by silicondream on Jun 8, 2021 23:06:43 GMT
...wait. Am I the only one among y'all who thinks Anya can communicate through the Ether? And give Etheric multimedia presentations to Annie (and hopefully Kat, who is really trying to perceive it this time)? Or it just Sarcasm Day on Europa time? Bruthaz and sistaz, she has a blinker stone. She has a computer, which is her brain, and she is running whatever the GCverse version of Grant Morrison is. If she wants to rechannel Surma's channeled recollections in full curlicued 5- D, she can do this thing. I did not look up the actual Europa time before making this joke.Communicate though the Ether, no I fully belive that to. Go full Coyete or Forrest child, bending it to her will to present a story she probably didn't have the details of? You might be the only one, but I doubt it. 'course she had the details! She was Surma's bestie! " Gurl. How was your trip?" " Gurl. Let me tell ya!" *incredibly detailed psychic download* You know why Anya's so awkward around Tony and Jones? Because she's Ether-buddies with Surma and Eglamore. She's seen them. Because she sees everything. Anya is an Etheric voyeur. Consensually, I hope! Now ask yourself why Anya is more cautious and guarded with Renard than anyone else we've met. (Main characters, I should say. The Court authorities are absolutely terrified of a free Renard, because Renard's powers make him the literal death of surveillance.) |
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Post by shaihulud on Jun 9, 2021 0:33:19 GMT
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Post by saardvark on Jun 9, 2021 0:46:05 GMT
The symbols/antennae on those monument(?) thingies look like the exact reverse of the symbol marking Jeanne's tomb. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=638That's the symbol for ground in electronic schematics, which is probably why Tom's note on that page is "Ground." Which, if these symbols are in some sense the inverse of that one, raises the question: what's the opposite of ground? In electronics, the opposite would be a high voltage (whatever that means for the circuit in question). the (electrical) ground is, in a sense, where electricity goes to die... where it ends its "life", where it is buried in the earth and is dissipated. It is thus a very fitting *robot* symbol for a burial shrine! |
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Post by maxptc on Jun 9, 2021 1:13:54 GMT
Communicate though the Ether, no I fully belive that to. Go full Coyete or Forrest child, bending it to her will to present a story she probably didn't have the details of? You might be the only one, but I doubt it. 'course she had the details! She was Surma's bestie! " Gurl. How was your trip?" " Gurl. Let me tell ya!" *incredibly detailed psychic download* You know why Anya's so awkward around Tony and Jones? Because she's Ether-buddies with Surma and Eglamore. She's seen them. Because she sees everything. Anya is an Etheric voyeur. Consensually, I hope! Now ask yourself why Anya is more cautious and guarded with Renard than anyone else we've met. (Main characters, I should say. The Court authorities are absolutely terrified of a free Renard, because Renard's powers make him the literal death of surveillance.) Intriguing theory. But I must say I don't believe this, both in the sense that I don't think Anja has the ability or desire to do so (her awkwardness could be anything, including just awkwardness) and that I don't think the ether or blinker stones work that way. Different readings and all that I suppose. |
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Post by maxptc on Jun 9, 2021 1:19:35 GMT
I completely spaced that. I still don't think she visually recreated the story, because I don't think she had the details, but with her computer it is possible she showed Annie her parent's making out in detail. |
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Post by shaihulud on Jun 9, 2021 1:57:06 GMT
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Post by maxptc on Jun 9, 2021 3:52:36 GMT
"Prehaps that hologram didn't explain your parents relationship well enough.... How about I now use my computer to show your parents third date! That will explain everything and make things less awkward with your father." I don't feel good about this post. |
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Post by sebastian on Jun 9, 2021 7:47:59 GMT
One thing is say she can create small 3d images, another is saying that she have her personal etheric holodeck. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 9, 2021 8:12:32 GMT
The symbols/antennae on those monument(?) thingies look like the exact reverse of the symbol marking Jeanne's tomb. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=638That's the symbol for ground in electronic schematics, which is probably why Tom's note on that page is "Ground." Which, if these symbols are in some sense the inverse of that one, raises the question: what's the opposite of ground? In electronics, the opposite would be a high voltage (whatever that means for the circuit in question). Careful with such statements in a forum full of nerds. You might never know when the next engineer jumps around the corner, like right now, and corrects you that the opposite of Ground, if there is such a thing, would be a high potential, not a voltage. Now waiting for someone more practically inclined than me to jump around the next corner and point out that for convenience the symbol for Ground can also be drawn sideways or upside down in circuit diagrams, if it makes them less cluttered.
I did not look up the actual Europa time before making this joke. That much was obvious. Contrary to what certain people living on certain other continents believe, Europe is big enough to have several time zones.
Who says she did it verbally? Lady's got a blinker stone. Those don't let you make illustrations/illusions EDIT: Okay, shaihulud's example is even better, it even has tiny depictions of Anja and Don.
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Post by silicondream on Jun 9, 2021 8:16:37 GMT
'course she had the details! She was Surma's bestie! " Gurl. How was your trip?" " Gurl. Let me tell ya!" *incredibly detailed psychic download* You know why Anya's so awkward around Tony and Jones? Because she's Ether-buddies with Surma and Eglamore. She's seen them. Because she sees everything. Anya is an Etheric voyeur. Consensually, I hope! Now ask yourself why Anya is more cautious and guarded with Renard than anyone else we've met. (Main characters, I should say. The Court authorities are absolutely terrified of a free Renard, because Renard's powers make him the literal death of surveillance.) Intriguing theory. But I must say I don't believe this, both in the sense that I don't think Anja has the ability or desire to do so (her awkwardness could be anything, including just awkwardness) and that I don't think the ether or blinker stones work that way. Different readings and all that I suppose. ...interesting. So then, how do you interpret Coward Heart? Cuz to me this is pretty straightforwardly Jeanne giving an Etheric presentation of her past to the girls. They get images, sounds, emotions...they get everything. 5D. Or what about Jacqui's presentation?Way I figure, the Ether works like traditional telepathy (or real-world empathy, for that matter). It's mind-to-mind, so for every sense or emotion that both minds share, that's another channel they can use to communicate. In fact, spewing the entire contents of your sensorium at the other person is probably the easiest thing most people can do with the Ether; the hard part is only transmitting what you intend to transmit. (Unless you're almost Etherically blind, like moi.) Now I'm curious. When Anya mentioned lovers giving each other blinker stones, what did you think was the purpose? |
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Post by V on Jun 9, 2021 8:28:31 GMT
That's the symbol for ground in electronic schematics, which is probably why Tom's note on that page is "Ground." Which, if these symbols are in some sense the inverse of that one, raises the question: what's the opposite of ground? In electronics, the opposite would be a high voltage (whatever that means for the circuit in question). Careful with such statements in a forum full of nerds. You might never know when the next engineer jumps around the corner, like right now, and corrects you that the opposite of Ground, if there is such a thing, would be a high potential, not a voltage. Now waiting for someone more practically inclined than me to jump around the next corner and point out that for convenience the symbol for Ground can also be drawn sideways or upside down in circuit diagrams, if it makes them less cluttered. Thanks for writing this, I was holding myself back all this time :-D I did not look up the actual Europa time before making this joke. That much was obvious. Contrary to what certain people living on certain other continents believe, Europe is big enough to have several time zones. Hmm, are you sure it was not meant to be Sarcasm Day on Europa time? |
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Post by silicondream on Jun 9, 2021 8:38:03 GMT
"Prehaps that hologram didn't explain your parents relationship well enough.... How about I now use my computer to show your parents third date! That will explain everything and make things less awkward with your father." I don't feel good about this post. Nah, Anja would make everything PG-13. She grew up self-censoring, she knows how to censor for the kids. Surma's the over-sharer, which is probably the main reason she withheld all kinds of important info from Antimony; it would have come along with a firehose of feelings and desires that would have distorted her daughter's growth beyond reckoning. More concretely: "Your mother once kythed me her third date. That was *giggle* fun, but let's visualize the second one instead for now." I have called Anja and Don--waaait...Don Donlan. He's a homunculus, isn't he? A tulpa. Her self-imagined, conjured-into-existence life partner. No wonder they have more chemistry than anyone else in the Court. Anyway! I've called them social cowards and voyeurs, and I stand by that assessment, but they're fundamentally psychonauts. Their mission in life is to experience things. But they don't share those experiences back unless they know you can handle them and you won't use them for ill. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 9, 2021 12:03:31 GMT
That much was obvious. Contrary to what certain people living on certain other continents believe, Europe is big enough to have several time zones. Hmm, are you sure it was not meant to be Sarcasm Day on Europa time? Is that a reference to something I do not get? |
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Post by maxptc on Jun 9, 2021 13:14:03 GMT
"Prehaps that hologram didn't explain your parents relationship well enough.... How about I now use my computer to show your parents third date! That will explain everything and make things less awkward with your father." I don't feel good about this post. Nah, Anja would make everything PG-13. She grew up self-censoring, she knows how to censor for the kids. I disagree with this part, she showed that chair kiss so its obvious to me she would also show them boinking. Easier and more informative then having the talk with words. In fact, whenever we see Anja talk, it's not an accurate depiction its just showing her communication holograms isn't in the budget. |
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Post by saardvark on Jun 9, 2021 13:42:31 GMT
Sometimes its an etheric download, vis with Jeanne. But not all these "retelling" events are the same. For example, this one: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1688Parley has no etheric connection, so she couldn't be doing an ether thought/feeling transfer. So when we see her and Eggs by the campfire, with his comically edited discourse, that isn't what Smitts & Annie are seeing/experiencing. They are getting just her words, and we (the readers) are seeing the actual event, courtesy of Tom. I think that may be the case for most of these events, tho there are obvious exceptions. |
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Post by V on Jun 9, 2021 16:48:03 GMT
Hmm, are you sure it was not meant to be Sarcasm Day on Europa time? Is that a reference to something I do not get? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You'll have to ask silicondream. I just pointed out that Europa ≠ Europe. |
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Post by Runningflame on Jun 9, 2021 23:56:06 GMT
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Post by maxptc on Jun 10, 2021 0:05:29 GMT
That's the symbol for ground in electronic schematics, which is probably why Tom's note on that page is "Ground." Which, if these symbols are in some sense the inverse of that one, raises the question: what's the opposite of ground? In electronics, the opposite would be a high voltage (whatever that means for the circuit in question). Careful with such statements in a forum full of nerds. You might never know when the next engineer jumps around the corner, like right now, and corrects you that the opposite of Ground, if there is such a thing, would be a high potential, not a voltage. Now waiting for someone more practically inclined than me to jump around the next corner and point out that for convenience the symbol for Ground can also be drawn sideways or upside down in circuit diagrams, if it makes them less cluttered. I did not look up the actual Europa time before making this joke. That much was obvious. Contrary to what certain people living on certain other continents believe, Europe is big enough to have several time zones. EDIT: Okay, shaihulud's example is even better, it even has tiny depictions of Anja and Don.
That's a symbol made by the inker stone for sure, and my wording was bad as is typically for me. I'm just not sure a blinker stone can make colors that aren't red/orange, let alone a whole story or memory transfer. |
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Post by Gemminie on Jun 10, 2021 6:04:23 GMT
Careful with such statements in a forum full of nerds. You might never know when the next engineer jumps around the corner, like right now, and corrects you that the opposite of Ground, if there is such a thing, would be a high potential, not a voltage. Now waiting for someone more practically inclined than me to jump around the next corner and point out that for convenience the symbol for Ground can also be drawn sideways or upside down in circuit diagrams, if it makes them less cluttered. That much was obvious. Contrary to what certain people living on certain other continents believe, Europe is big enough to have several time zones. EDIT: Okay, shaihulud's example is even better, it even has tiny depictions of Anja and Don.
That's a symbol made by the inker stone for sure, and my wording was bad as is typically for me. I'm just not sure a blinker stone can make colors that aren't red/orange, let alone a whole story or memory transfer. Blinker stones make images that are red. Anja's computer can make holograms, though, but even if she'd made holograms instead of (or in addition to) telling the story in words, there's no way Anja could have shown Kat and Annie anything that Surma didn't tell her about. And I doubt Surma told her about useless (to her story) details like the omega on a folder, or things that happened out of her line of sight (there isn't a lot of that, but there are some exterior establishing shots, and there's one frame that's shown after Surma's fallen asleep). And when the flashback ended, there was no sign of Anja using her blinker stone or her computer – no glowy images in the air, etc. Anja told the story in words like a normal person. We saw an enhanced graphical version of the story because we're the reading audience. Seems pretty clear to me. |
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Post by todd on Jun 10, 2021 12:40:20 GMT
Anja told the story in words like a normal person. We saw an enhanced graphical version of the story because we're the reading audience. Seems pretty clear to me. My thoughts as well, but I suspect that the temptation to over-analyze is at work here. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 10, 2021 14:26:50 GMT
Anja told the story in words like a normal person. We saw an enhanced graphical version of the story because we're the reading audience. Seems pretty clear to me. My thoughts as well, but I suspect that the temptation to over-analyze is at work here. Actually I thought we were already agreeing Anja did not make a full holographic TV show out of her story and just discussing whether it would theoretically be possible. |
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Post by warrl on Jun 11, 2021 2:02:02 GMT
I suspect that the temptation to over-analyze is at work here. Does that really happen? On internet forums? |
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Post by DonDueed on Jun 11, 2021 14:50:39 GMT
I suspect that the temptation to over-analyze is at work here. Does that really happen? On internet forums? Yeah, that seems pretty unlikely. |
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