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Post by novia on Jun 3, 2021 2:01:36 GMT
WHERE DID THE SECOND HAIR CLIP COME FROM? AAAAAAA Yeah, I've been meaning to talk about this "we have technology indistinguishable from magic but we can't buy the same hair clip from a shop that we bought last year" thing sometime, heh... It was DEFINITELY more than a year ago. |
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Post by Gemminie on Jun 3, 2021 2:42:02 GMT
WHERE DID THE SECOND HAIR CLIP COME FROM? AAAAAAA Forest and Court Annie each had a hair clip. |
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Post by fia on Jun 3, 2021 3:46:34 GMT
Eglamore has kept his beard, I see. And Cvet is coming along!
This is bound to be interesting. I'm most excited about what the latest Coyote that pops up from the lake water will do or say. Renard's not along, and he's the one who has been keeping the tooth, so maybe the tooth has been a red herring for killing Loup all along, and it will be the Court instead. Hmm.
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I just think it's a pity that she never wore these again.
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Post by V on Jun 3, 2021 5:21:02 GMT
WHERE DID THE SECOND HAIR CLIP COME FROM? AAAAAAA Forest and Court Annie each had a hair clip. What's everyone on about with the two hair clips, here and in the comment section alike? Nothing points to it being a limited stock. Surma used to have at least two and even Anja has been seen wearing one, although she might have borrowed it as some weird kind of sign of friendship. On the other hand, Annie's recombination left her with only one so it's a stretch to say the two come from her two versions. What's more, the hairclip in the back of her head looks nothing like the other one in shape. My understanding is that she just didn't care enough to replace it want to replace the gift with a "fake" clip after the bridge incident, until she was given it back symbolically in The Other Shore. |
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Post by todd on Jun 3, 2021 12:40:33 GMT
What's everyone on about with the two hair clips, here and in the comment section alike? Probably the fact that there's no dialogue on this page, that the action (Annie getting ready to join the others to meet with Loup about the lake water) is something that we already knew would happen, and so the minor detail of the hair clips seems the best hope for a new discussion topic. Once the meeting with Loup enters into unexpected territory, I suspect the readers's focus will shift towards that and away from the extra hair clip. |
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Post by Gemminie on Jun 3, 2021 14:00:44 GMT
What's everyone on about with the two hair clips, here and in the comment section alike? Probably the fact that there's no dialogue on this page, that the action (Annie getting ready to join the others to meet with Loup about the lake water) is something that we already knew would happen, and so the minor detail of the hair clips seems the best hope for a new discussion topic. Once the meeting with Loup enters into unexpected territory, I suspect the readers's focus will shift towards that and away from the extra hair clip. This is all probably true. I remember jovially pretending to make a big deal of the fact that one hair clip disappeared when the Annies recombined. After all, Tom made a point of showing us when Mr. Green gave Annie her hair clip back. But at no other time has the story paid attention to Annie's hair clip(s), so they're probably just cheap plastic ones. That said, the presence of two hair clips in this chapter might be symbolic of the fact that both Annies are present in at least some way. Whether the two Annies combined into one via some personally transformative experience akin to the merging of two alters within a DID person's psyche, or whether they're both still there in the Ether, both of the Annies whom Loup caused to exist are back to face him again. I can't imagine Annie hasn't thought about what Loup might say or do when she shows up as one person before him. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 3, 2021 17:20:28 GMT
The grass is still very obviously greener on the other side. Forest and Court Annie each had a hair clip. What's everyone on about with the two hair clips I thought it is simply a running gag. On the other hand, sometimes people jump onto details and crazy theories leaving me completely lost. I am just thinking of "Oh no, they are going to break up, aren't they!" coming up basically every time Kat and Paz are shown together. Or that one time when Kat had an idea and wrote it down on a notepad, and everybody was going on about how she must have teleported it into her hands just because it was not shown how she took it out of her pocket... there's a briefcase on the ground in panel 2, next to the possible-Jones figure. Probably what they are carrying the lake water vial in.... Possibly interesting, because it suggests they had Jones carrying it, which would prevent anyone aside from a god from making off with it. Looks like two briefcases to me, even. The person standing to Aata's right could be Jones, but somehow the posture feels wrong, for me at least.  |
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Post by maxptc on Jun 4, 2021 4:14:26 GMT
I dunno, I always got a very dangerous vibe from Coyete, and Loup just enforces it more. Coyeye knew this would happen, and while he may have not predicted/foreseen Loup exactly, he foresaw a Coyete without control and was still okay with that happening. Like we can be mad at Loup all we want, but this is Coyetes doing imo. What's even more unsettling about this is that Coyote's goal was simply to die as part of another big adventure, and the troubles between the Court and the Forest were just his tool to fulfill a goal that ultimately had nothing to do with them. But was that his overall goal or just a goal? Like, I think he's coming back, and I don't think he is done being Coyete (schemes on schemes) so that whole death adventure might just be part of a bigger end game, against the court. Like, the lake water could be more then just a memory of the sword and some other things. Remember the look when Coyete sense he could cross the waters? Seemed like he knew he could now move fully against the Court to me. But maybe he is well and fully gone and I'm gonna look silly when all the doggos stay dead. |
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Post by sebastian on Jun 4, 2021 8:47:25 GMT
What's even more unsettling about this is that Coyote's goal was simply to die as part of another big adventure, and the troubles between the Court and the Forest were just his tool to fulfill a goal that ultimately had nothing to do with them. But was that his overall goal or just a goal? Like, I think he's coming back, and I don't think he is done being Coyete (schemes on schemes) so that whole death adventure might just be part of a bigger end game, against the court. Like, the lake water could be more then just a memory of the sword and some other things. Remember the look when Coyete sense he could cross the waters? Seemed like he knew he could now move fully against the Court to me. But maybe he is well and fully gone and I'm gonna look silly when all the doggos stay dead. I am not sure that Coyote's plan is against the Court. Tricksters gods are rarely outright Evil. I have this idea that long terms his plan is meant to bring the forest and the court closer, after all as a a conseguence of his plan now the forest elves live inside the Court, Eglamore is in a relation with one, they had to work with them to recover the lake water, now the Court people must see the forest people as... well, people, not some kind of abstract entities. All this thing with Loup seems to be, I don't know, a way to get plausible deniability.  |
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Post by saardvark on Jun 4, 2021 11:12:15 GMT
But was that his overall goal or just a goal? Like, I think he's coming back, and I don't think he is done being Coyete (schemes on schemes) so that whole death adventure might just be part of a bigger end game, against the court. Like, the lake water could be more then just a memory of the sword and some other things. Remember the look when Coyete sense he could cross the waters? Seemed like he knew he could now move fully against the Court to me. But maybe he is well and fully gone and I'm gonna look silly when all the doggos stay dead. I am not sure that Coyote's plan is against the Court. Tricksters gods are rarely outright Evil. I have this idea that long terms his plan is meant to bring the forest and the court closer, after all as a a conseguence of his plan now the forest elves live inside the Court, Eglamore is in a relation with one, they had to work with them to recover the lake water, now the Court people must see the forest people as... well, people, not some kind of abstract entities. All this thing with Loup seems to be, I don't know, a way to get plausible deniability. You may be right. Coyote has always loved his interesting, sometimes amusing (hum)ants. He's brought Annie over as Forest medium too, so that one of the ants sees the Forest side of things as well. If his plans succeed, will the hum-ants decide they don't need their Omega toy? |
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Post by todd on Jun 4, 2021 12:46:23 GMT
I am not sure that Coyote's plan is against the Court. Tricksters gods are rarely outright Evil. I have this idea that long terms his plan is meant to bring the forest and the court closer, after all as a a conseguence of his plan now the forest elves live inside the Court, Eglamore is in a relation with one, they had to work with them to recover the lake water, now the Court people must see the forest people as... well, people, not some kind of abstract entities. All this thing with Loup seems to be, I don't know, a way to get plausible deniability. Tricksters sometimes do go bad dramatically (consider Loki), but I doubt that Coyote will go down that road even if he does return. (Of course, he might want to halt the court's pursuit of a scientific explanation for the ether, seeing it as a threat to beings like himself. Since the overall impression I've had from the story is that the Court's pursuit was dramatically misguided - and if we get a happy ending, I suspect that a major component of it will be the Court finally coming to its senses and abandoning the project for something better - I'd say he has a point.) |
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I just think it's a pity that she never wore these again.
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Post by V on Jun 4, 2021 13:16:19 GMT
I am not sure that Coyote's plan is against the Court. Tricksters gods are rarely outright Evil. I have this idea that long terms his plan is meant to bring the forest and the court closer, after all as a a conseguence of his plan now the forest elves live inside the Court, Eglamore is in a relation with one, they had to work with them to recover the lake water, now the Court people must see the forest people as... well, people, not some kind of abstract entities. All this thing with Loup seems to be, I don't know, a way to get plausible deniability. You may be right. Coyote has always loved his interesting, sometimes amusing (hum)ants. He's brought Annie over as Forest medium too, so that one of the ants sees the Forest side of things as well. If his plans succeed, will the hum-ants decide they don't need their Omega toy? Actually, the reference to hum-ants is interesting for one more reason. I think it is a strong argument against the theory of Loup being Coyote in disguise. Coyote would not break his word, right? |
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Post by sebastian on Jun 4, 2021 16:39:38 GMT
I am not sure that Coyote's plan is against the Court. Tricksters gods are rarely outright Evil. I have this idea that long terms his plan is meant to bring the forest and the court closer, after all as a a conseguence of his plan now the forest elves live inside the Court, Eglamore is in a relation with one, they had to work with them to recover the lake water, now the Court people must see the forest people as... well, people, not some kind of abstract entities. All this thing with Loup seems to be, I don't know, a way to get plausible deniability. Tricksters sometimes do go bad dramatically (consider Loki), but I doubt that Coyote will go down that road even if he does return. (Of course, he might want to halt the court's pursuit of a scientific explanation for the ether, seeing it as a threat to beings like himself. Since the overall impression I've had from the story is that the Court's pursuit was dramatically misguided - and if we get a happy ending, I suspect that a major component of it will be the Court finally coming to its senses and abandoning the project for something better - I'd say he has a point.) Most of what I know of Loki come from the marvel comics, And I doubt they are an highly reliable source (for example, As far as I know Thor was not a blonde) |
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Post by Per on Jun 4, 2021 21:22:26 GMT
Mythological Loki is evil. He acts to the benefit of the gods when his safety or comfort is threatened, but his long game is against them, and eventually (MYTHOLOGY SPOILERZ) he goes beyond the pale and all pretenses are dropped.
(Of course it could still be true that tricksters are rarely outright evil.)
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Post by warrl on Jun 4, 2021 21:43:09 GMT
Well, Norse mythology is weird. Most mythologies go on about how powerful and indestructible the gods are. Norse mythology specifies the order and manner in which the gods will be killed.
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Post by DonDueed on Jun 4, 2021 22:30:47 GMT
The grass is still very obviously greener on the other side. What's everyone on about with the two hair clips I thought it is simply a running gag. Hi, I'm Annie, this is my brother Hairclip and this is my other brother Hairclip. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 5, 2021 1:46:07 GMT
You may be right. Coyote has always loved his interesting, sometimes amusing (hum)ants. He's brought Annie over as Forest medium too, so that one of the ants sees the Forest side of things as well. If his plans succeed, will the hum-ants decide they don't need their Omega toy? Actually, the reference to hum-ants is interesting for one more reason. I think it is a strong argument against the theory of Loup being Coyote in disguise. Coyote would not break his word, right? Coyote might not break his word, but he is not responsible if you misinterpreted him / assumed he had given his word when he actually had not / etc. |
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Post by todd on Jun 5, 2021 1:48:39 GMT
Actually, the reference to hum-ants is interesting for one more reason. I think it is a strong argument against the theory of Loup being Coyote in disguise. Coyote would not break his word, right? Coyote might not break his word, but he is not responsible if you misinterpreted him / assumed he had given his word when he actually had not / etc. Which, from a trickster's point of view, is a lot more fun. Anyone can break a promise; it takes a lot more skill and imagination to find a clever way of getting around it. |
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Post by silicondream on Jun 15, 2021 9:52:46 GMT
Mythological Loki is evil. He acts to the benefit of the gods when his safety or comfort is threatened, but his long game is against them, and eventually (MYTHOLOGY SPOILERZ) he goes beyond the pale and all pretenses are dropped. (Of course it could still be true that tricksters are rarely outright evil.) By Norse moral standards--most of which I do not share--Odin is the "good" trickster. He schemes just as much as Loki does, but to the benefit of the Aesir and Midgard rather than for his own satisfaction. In actual Old Norse religion Loki appears to have received some worship, so he probably had a benevolent aspect; it pops up in the Loka Táttur, for instance. Hermes is generally benevolent, or at least rarely screws people over without Zeus' approval. And we all know that Zeus would never approve of anything bad, right? |
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