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Post by arf on Mar 15, 2021 7:18:21 GMT
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Post by antiyonder on Mar 15, 2021 7:28:28 GMT
What's up with you Jones?
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Post by madjack on Mar 15, 2021 7:35:49 GMT
Straight up opening with Jones, huh. This feels ominous coupled with the chapter title. Annie has taken her fusion'd fashion and run with it. Kat's expression in the last panel is odd, like her smile is dropping into concern? Sidetrack but I just realised that Kat hasn't really interacted with Jones much at all has she? The only two scenes they I can think that they've shared are the beginning of medium training way back in chapter 17, and meeting after her re-entry in chapter 69. If Jones has come to find them, maybe she wants to observe fused Annie, or longer odds, this could be about Idra? |
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Post by blahzor on Mar 15, 2021 7:43:49 GMT
not a good thing i'll assume
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Mar 15, 2021 8:19:48 GMT
Yesssss I love Jones' chapters!
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Post by philman on Mar 15, 2021 8:41:38 GMT
Laughing, smiling Kat and Annie! Lovely to see!
Why do I get the feeling Jones is going to quite severely burst that bubble.
Nice cardigan though, I like the purple.
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Post by Angry Robot on Mar 15, 2021 9:04:00 GMT
I have questions. Not about the Annie-merger, I'm sure there'll be some exposition about that when Annie next meets Kat. OK, apparently not! |
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Post by wies on Mar 15, 2021 9:23:57 GMT
Jones looks less amused than usual.
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Post by guntherkrieg on Mar 15, 2021 11:52:44 GMT
Hang on, is Siddell just outright skipping/glossing over a bunch of key scenes in which characters discuss the disappearance/merging of an important person in their lives? No seriously, imagine you know someone at school, your best mate in fact. Then their identical twin shows up. You get to know the twin for a couple of months then one day one of them just vanishes... Gone. Poof. I don't think I'd be out laughing and joking.
I know, I know, story flow, conservation of detail, time-skips being an important convention in manga-inspired works. I get that. But it feels odd.
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Post by phyzome on Mar 15, 2021 12:48:43 GMT
I'm getting a "what on earth have you done to yourself now, Annie?" vibe from that second to last panel.
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Post by Gemminie on Mar 15, 2021 12:48:43 GMT
Hang on, is Siddell just outright skipping/glossing over a bunch of key scenes in which characters discuss the disappearance/merging of an important person in their lives? No seriously, imagine you know someone at school, your best mate in fact. Then their identical twin shows up. You get to know the twin for a couple of months then one day one of them just vanishes... Gone. Poof. I don't think I'd be out laughing and joking. I know, I know, story flow, conservation of detail, time-skips being an important convention in manga-inspired works. I get that. But it feels odd. No, you're right, we've glossed over Kat's reaction when she discovers there's only one Annie now, as well as Annie's explanation of this to Kat. I presume it means the author's waiting for the right time to show Annie's explanation, because she'll doubtless have to explain it over and over again to different people, so he wants to show it to us only once. At least, I hope he shows us her explanation to someone at some point. It would be ... ironic if he chose to show us her explanation to Jones, because her reaction would probably be something like "I see." |
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Post by Gemminie on Mar 15, 2021 12:56:34 GMT
Straight up opening with Jones, huh. This feels ominous coupled with the chapter title. Annie has taken her fusion'd fashion and run with it. Kat's expression in the last panel is odd, like her smile is dropping into concern? Sidetrack but I just realised that Kat hasn't really interacted with Jones much at all has she? The only two scenes they I can think that they've shared are the beginning of medium training way back in chapter 17, and meeting after her re-entry in chapter 69. If Jones has come to find them, maybe she wants to observe fused Annie, or longer odds, this could be about Idra? These are all fantastic observations! I'd like to add that I'm wondering whether Jones has come to see Annie, Kat, or Renard. Odds are very slim that this is a chance encounter. Perhaps she's heard that there's only one Annie now, or perhaps only one Annie has been showing up on the food tracker, so she's come to check on Annie's well-being, or perhaps she's found out something concerning about Kat's activities, or perhaps she has news about something extremely important that's happened. |
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Post by speedwell on Mar 15, 2021 13:02:42 GMT
Is it just me, or does Jones look like she's just been woken up halfway through a nap?
"Oh, hi, Jones, you look stoned. HAHAHA...aha...ahhh...um."
Or, worse: "Hello, Jones." "Hello, Zimmy." >gop<
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Post by maxptc on Mar 15, 2021 13:30:17 GMT
Hang on, is Siddell just outright skipping/glossing over a bunch of key scenes in which characters discuss the disappearance/merging of an important person in their lives? No seriously, imagine you know someone at school, your best mate in fact. Then their identical twin shows up. You get to know the twin for a couple of months then one day one of them just vanishes... Gone. Poof. I don't think I'd be out laughing and joking. Right, but that's not really as similar as you think. They weren't twins, but two parts of one whole. There is only suppse to be one Annie and that Annie doesn't truly exist while she is spilt into two. So its like "imagine your friend split into two accidentally and wanted to fix it, then did and both halves now exists where they should, inside the one freind". Laughter and relief makes sense. I get that to a lot of the audience this was character deaths, but I don't think that's how a lot of people in the story are gonna see it. |
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Post by migrantworker on Mar 15, 2021 13:36:13 GMT
Straight up opening with Jones, huh. This feels ominous coupled with the chapter title. Annie has taken her fusion'd fashion and run with it. Kat's expression in the last panel is odd, like her smile is dropping into concern? Sidetrack but I just realised that Kat hasn't really interacted with Jones much at all has she? The only two scenes they I can think that they've shared are the beginning of medium training way back in chapter 17, and meeting after her re-entry in chapter 69. If Jones has come to find them, maybe she wants to observe fused Annie, or longer odds, this could be about Idra? These are all fantastic observations! I'd like to add that I'm wondering whether Jones has come to see Annie, Kat, or Renard. Odds are very slim that this is a chance encounter. Perhaps she's heard that there's only one Annie now, or perhaps only one Annie has been showing up on the food tracker, so she's come to check on Annie's well-being, or perhaps she's found out something concerning about Kat's activities, or perhaps she has news about something extremely important that's happened. Annie is also still scheduled to volunteer to deliver lake water to Loup... something Jones may be involved in as well. |
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Post by ohthatone on Mar 15, 2021 13:41:37 GMT
I wonder if Jones feels some type of proto-feeling in regards to james having idra. She says she cant feel emotions but I wonder how true that is. She felt some form of excitement/hope when humans came to be (that there were creatures like her), she likes to form attachments to people.
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Post by Corvo on Mar 15, 2021 13:45:34 GMT
Straight up opening with Jones, huh. This feels ominous coupled with the chapter title. Annie has taken her fusion'd fashion and run with it. Kat's expression in the last panel is odd, like her smile is dropping into concern? Sidetrack but I just realised that Kat hasn't really interacted with Jones much at all has she? The only two scenes they I can think that they've shared are the beginning of medium training way back in chapter 17, and meeting after her re-entry in chapter 69. If Jones has come to find them, maybe she wants to observe fused Annie, or longer odds, this could be about Idra? These are all fantastic observations! I'd like to add that I'm wondering whether Jones has come to see Annie, Kat, or Renard. Odds are very slim that this is a chance encounter. Perhaps she's heard that there's only one Annie now, or perhaps only one Annie has been showing up on the food tracker, so she's come to check on Annie's well-being, or perhaps she's found out something concerning about Kat's activities, or perhaps she has news about something extremely important that's happened. Or the Court sent her. I'm thinking either "we need to talk with her" or "bad news time!"(something with Tony? With Kat's parents?). |
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Post by DonDueed on Mar 15, 2021 14:07:49 GMT
Hang on, is Siddell just outright skipping/glossing over a bunch of key scenes in which characters discuss the disappearance/merging of an important person in their lives? No seriously, imagine you know someone at school, your best mate in fact. Then their identical twin shows up. You get to know the twin for a couple of months then one day one of them just vanishes... Gone. Poof. I don't think I'd be out laughing and joking. I know, I know, story flow, conservation of detail, time-skips being an important convention in manga-inspired works. I get that. But it feels odd. No, you're right, we've glossed over Kat's reaction when she discovers there's only one Annie now, as well as Annie's explanation of this to Kat. I presume it means the author's waiting for the right time to show Annie's explanation, because she'll doubtless have to explain it over and over again to different people, so he wants to show it to us only once. At least, I hope he shows us her explanation to someone at some point. It would be ... ironic if he chose to show us her explanation to Jones, because her reaction would probably be something like "I see." But but but... he's missing an opportunity for another panel of "SHE DOES"! |
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Post by Per on Mar 15, 2021 14:10:33 GMT
"Oh, hi, Jones, you look stoned. HAHAHA...aha...ahhh...um." "By the way that's not your blood is it" |
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Post by aline on Mar 15, 2021 14:43:30 GMT
Hang on, is Siddell just outright skipping/glossing over a bunch of key scenes in which characters discuss the disappearance/merging of an important person in their lives? No seriously, imagine you know someone at school, your best mate in fact. Then their identical twin shows up. You get to know the twin for a couple of months then one day one of them just vanishes... Gone. Poof. I don't think I'd be out laughing and joking. I know, I know, story flow, conservation of detail, time-skips being an important convention in manga-inspired works. I get that. But it feels odd. But it wasn't an identical twin. She was one person, displaced in time. Now she's one person, not displaced in time. Nobody disappeared. It was Annie before and it's still Annie now. I think honestly Kat is the least likely to be disturbed by this, since she's doubtless the one who understand best the time mechanics involved of all the characters. |
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Post by aline on Mar 15, 2021 14:45:39 GMT
No, you're right, we've glossed over Kat's reaction when she discovers there's only one Annie now, as well as Annie's explanation of this to Kat. Kat took one look at her and said "...I understand"  |
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Post by speedwell on Mar 15, 2021 15:00:43 GMT
I wonder if Jones feels some type of proto-feeling in regards to james having idra. She says she cant feel emotions but I wonder how true that is. She felt some form of excitement/hope when humans came to be (that there were creatures like her), she likes to form attachments to people. She feels feelings. I think she doesn't know what they are, though, or actively represses them, or has felt them so often through billions of years that they don't really register to her consciously anymore. Or else it amuses her to play "stone face" as much as it amuses me to watch her blatantly lie and say she doesn't have emotions. Sure the language of having emotions has only been around for an eyeblink compared to her. Maybe she thinks of her emotions as something else entirely. |
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 15, 2021 15:08:18 GMT
Jones may not even be coming to see Annie, but Kat. There's still the whole "révolution de androïde", that Court officials may take negative note of.. or want to give Kat an award for it.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 15, 2021 15:57:33 GMT
I really hope the exposition what the frag happened was just saved for Jones now. So Kat is obviously totally accepting that there being two Annies (which she already deemed "impossible") have just been fused, and apparently either everything she believed about there being two was wrong or she doesn't give a damn about alternate timelines any more. OK. Hang on, is Siddell just outright skipping/glossing over a bunch of key scenes in which characters discuss the disappearance/merging of an important person in their lives? No seriously, imagine you know someone at school, your best mate in fact. Then their identical twin shows up. You get to know the twin for a couple of months then one day one of them just vanishes... Gone. Poof. I don't think I'd be out laughing and joking. Right, but that's not really as similar as you think. They weren't twins, but two parts of one whole. There is only suppse to be one Annie and that Annie doesn't truly exist while she is spilt into two. So its like "imagine your friend split into two accidentally and wanted to fix it, then did and both halves now exists where they should, inside the one freind". Laughter and relief makes sense. I get that to a lot of the audience this was character deaths, but I don't think that's how a lot of people in the story are gonna see it. Except that the comic's stance so far was that this was explicitly NOT the case; as far as we knew, Annie was NOT split. Yes, it could be that all this time both the Arbiter AND Brinnie were wrong about the Annies being from two different timelines and all that implied. But then I have to ask, where was the point? If they both happened to be wrong, it was not treated as a reveal, it has no consequences, there were just several panels wasted on explaining confusing time travel shenanigans which never happened. Seriously, what's the point?
But it wasn't an identical twin. She was one person, displaced in time. Now she's one person, not displaced in time. Nobody disappeared. It was Annie before and it's still Annie now. I think honestly Kat is the least likely to be disturbed by this, since she's doubtless the one who understand best the time mechanics involved of all the characters. Last time Kat thought about the time mechanics of this case, her reaction was this: Not exactly something to just laugh about.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Mar 15, 2021 15:58:13 GMT
If Jones has come to find them, maybe she wants to observe fused Annie, or longer odds, this could be about Idra? Jones just talks about Idra and doesn't even comment on Annie. That would be some Grade A trolling.
Could be followed by other character interactions that also don't acknowledge Annie's fusion.
Maybe mind trap refers to readers trapped in a specific plot line from a story with multiple plot lines, squirming over delayed gratification.
Probably not....
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Post by jda on Mar 15, 2021 16:41:42 GMT
Oh noes, Jones is charged to bring the detainee to the Court HQ, since Arbiter Saslamel formally requested her imprisonment due to the Arrow being "used/activated" somehow in Annie's fusion.
Don't ask me why, ask the Arbiter.
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Post by Gemminie on Mar 15, 2021 17:09:28 GMT
She feels feelings. I think she doesn't know what they are, though, or actively represses them, or has felt them so often through billions of years that they don't really register to her consciously anymore. Or else it amuses her to play "stone face" as much as it amuses me to watch her blatantly lie and say she doesn't have emotions. Sure the language of having emotions has only been around for an eyeblink compared to her. Maybe she thinks of her emotions as something else entirely. This is just so brilliant. You're right; if everything Jones has told us about herself is true, she's existed for billions of years during which she had no language to express whatever emotions she feels, and for a few tens of thousands of years during which there were humans using language to talk about their emotions. Barely any time at all, really. To add my suppositions to this, I think Jones, not being human, probably feels emotions that are unique to her, as she's unique. She may not feel human emotions, but perhaps she feels types of emotions that humans can't feel and thus have no words for. I really hope the exposition what the frag happened was just saved for Jones now. So Kat is obviously totally accepting that there being two Annies (which she already deemed "impossible") have just been fused, and apparently either everything she believed about there being two was wrong or she doesn't give a damn about alternate timelines any more. OK. Well, this is assuming that Kat's theory about why there were two Annies was what we think it was, and she doesn't tell us. What I found quite annoying about chapter 76 is that Kat starts talking about there being two Annies, then completely abandons that train of thought and leaps to the Tic-Toc, time travel, and saving Annie in the past. And she never returns to the two-Annies issue, not even in chapter 77, not even when the Norns tell her they can't do anything about it. I mean, sure, Annie's life was saved, which is awesome, but there's still a super-obvious problem here. Yet not a word. And ... chapter over. Do they even have Brinnie, who is standing right there, look at the Annies again and tell us whether they're still "shifted" (and the exact definition of that has never been made clear), now that her unresolved survival has been resolved? Nope. I've looked back on it (as probably everyone has), and I was surprised at how many assumptions I'd made. Does the Arbiter actually say that both Annies are from different timelines? "Oh, you've been shifted. That's OK, then," says the interpreter, giving no definition for that. Throughout chapter 71, he continues to speak to the Annies as if they're one person, though he does seem to notice that there are two of them; it's as if it's no big deal. When Kat asks, he says, "... it seems that you have been shifted out of your timeline and brought here." Kat asks what happens to the original timeline when someone is "shifted," and he replies, "It continues along, but the person who is bumped just doesn't exist anymore." And when Kat asks whether there's a timeline in which Annie didn't return from the forest, he replies, "I don't know the circumstances of your case but ... yes, that could happen." But no word on whether it's actually the case here. And then, when Kat asks which Annie shouldn't be here, he replies, "Well, it seems that neither of them should be here." In other words, it's highly suggestive, but at no point does he offer any evidence that Annie's being "shifted" is the cause of there being two of her. Either he's treating it as a tacit assumption, or that's not what he means at all, and Kat's the one who makes the assumption, and we're not shown which. The possibilities have always been: The two Annies have "shifted" status for the same reason The two Annies have "shifted" status for different reasons (would being "shifted" more than once still just show up as "shifted?") and The fact that the Annies are "shifted" is the reason why there are two of her The fact that the Annies are "shifted" is not the reason why there are two of her And the Arbiter, speaking via Clippy, seems to be using Occam's Razor: "I see two of them, and they appear to be shifted. Being shifted can result in two versions of someone appearing in the same timeline, and therefore that must mean there are two of them because they're shifted. And they've been interacting with Coyote, who can do things like that, so there we are." There's no need to make the added assumption that there are two of them for some other reason, so he doesn't go there. But sometimes Occam's Razor is wrong. Then there's "Oh, Coyote was killed? How unfortunate." No word at all, from anyone, whether they even know whether Loup is capable of making alternate timelines. That assumption's been ours the whole time. Loup can freeze time, out of desperation, when the Forest is spinning out of control and he can't stop it, but can he make alternate timelines? I think Brinnie likely made the same assumption as the Arbiter, but you're right; where's the point of all the time travel? Surely that had consequences? Well, yes. I'm sure it does, and will. We still have largely no explanation for why Annie is "shifted." Kat sent her bird back in time and saved Annie; she hasn't traveled to another timeline; she's just gone from unsaved to saved, from "died" to "didn't die." In what way does that move her out of her timeline? Kat's got a complicated theory that there was another Kat out there who didn't have an Annie, so she broke time to save her – is time still broken? Did she save her version of Annie? If she did, did it cause a paradox? Did it close a stable time loop? Or did it split the timeline, creating another in which Annie lived and Kat didn't need to break time, except later she realized that she needed to, or Annie wouldn't live, so she broke time again to save Annie, and so on? Does splitting the timeline like that cause Annie to appear "shifted?" Or could Annie just appear "shifted" because she was supposed to be dead and now isn't? Or because her time loop hadn't been closed, and now it has, but nobody's given her a reading on whether she's still "shifted" yet? There's so much we don't know. But at the same time, there are two Annies this time – though I'm guessing it's this time only. I'm not seeing hard proof that "shifted Annie" has anything to do with "doubled Annie" in Annie way. No, not really – so why's she laughing now? As I see it, at least, signs point to relief, after learning that there was no cause for concern. Perhaps she's thinking, "I've never been happier to be wrong about something!" |
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Post by fia on Mar 15, 2021 18:21:14 GMT
Just going to quietly point out the two keys Kat is holding in this Treatise in the hand opposite the Arrow. All the other symbols the Annies are holding we know, but not the keys. At first I thought this was a reference to like "the key of Jacob Boehme" or something... but now I'm thinking it might be something more literal. |
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Post by wies on Mar 15, 2021 19:00:57 GMT
Concur with the grumbling we haven't seen Kat's response, it is reminiscent of when Kat suddenly became friends with Anthony.
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Post by ohthatone on Mar 15, 2021 19:30:32 GMT
I would really think kat would be relieved the Annies fused. One less problem to have to solve.
Kat: where's the other annie?
Annie: oh, we've fused.
Kat: what?? I...whu...HOW
Annie: well you see zimmy--
Kat: you know what I'm good. Huzzah.
I dont know how kat feels about zimmy but I dont think its positive.
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