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Post by madjack on Mar 12, 2021 8:06:29 GMT
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Post by arf on Mar 12, 2021 8:08:10 GMT
The thumbnail is the title page.
I can already feel the options diminishing...
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Post by madjack on Mar 12, 2021 8:08:27 GMT
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Post by wies on Mar 12, 2021 8:08:49 GMT
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Post by madjack on Mar 12, 2021 8:09:10 GMT
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Post by wies on Mar 12, 2021 8:09:44 GMT
Heh, first time I got ninja'ed. |
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Post by philman on Mar 12, 2021 9:08:43 GMT
The Mind Cage. New-Theory-That-Almost-Certainly-Isn't-True: Zimmy didn't really merge the two Annies, she just made one dominant, and the other is now a prisoner inside the other one's mind. Heh, first time I got ninja'ed. I have nothing to add here, I just like the juxtaposition of your two avatars evoking a deep conversation between mother and daughter. |
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Post by madjack on Mar 12, 2021 9:23:24 GMT
I have nothing to add here, I just like the juxtaposition of your two avatars evoking a deep conversation between mother and daughter. Card games are serious business. |
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Post by Corvo on Mar 12, 2021 11:33:56 GMT
~Kat sees Annie~
Kat: Ok, that's it! Nobody is messing with my Annies anymore! You stay put while I fix this!
~Annie spends the next two weeks in the Mind Cage while Kat builds a simple Annie checkpoint device~
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Post by somebunny on Mar 12, 2021 12:45:29 GMT
It's a good thing Kat wasn't saying mysterious and concerning things the last time we saw her, as if she was about to do something big that could go wrong.
Oh wait.
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Post by blahzor on Mar 12, 2021 13:01:03 GMT
Or the episode where Kat invents a jail for a seraph robot who upsets her
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Post by speedwell on Mar 12, 2021 13:03:58 GMT
For what it's worth, my mind went immediately to Saslamel and Clippy too.
And then it went off chasing all the instances of Annie being... transgressive.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 12, 2021 13:08:06 GMT
My GF and me are getting major Cube Escape vibes from this title page.
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Post by Per on Mar 12, 2021 13:40:58 GMT
I thought of Asper Girl, end of chapter 40. (Recommended realistic manga about struggling with psychiatric illness.) |
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Post by Gemminie on Mar 12, 2021 14:04:55 GMT
Wow, yes, the first thing that leapt to mind when I saw this chapter title was Arbiter Saslamel's "Don't worry, it's not a physical jail!" But that one's apparently also a physical jail. That doesn't mean it isn't what the title refers to, but we'll see.
That jail is for people who abuse the arrow. But both Kat and Annie were there and heard Saslamel's interpreter tell them that misusing that arrow would result in severe consequences. So was Renard. But nobody else could hear, and we don't know whether they've told anyone else about that. So it would be crazy for Kat or Annie to try using the arrow for anything. But it's quite possible that no one else is aware of the consequences. Who might use it? And for what?
Well, who's been around Kat's workshop long enough to know about the arrow? Robot, Shadow 2, Paz, Tony, Juliette, Arthur, the seraph robots, other robots and androids, and possibly the ancient robots too. Anja's been there, but I'm not sure she's visited since Kat obtained the arrow. And then, of course, there might be Court agents who have been watching secretly.
Or ... the title might be a huge fake-out, and the chapter's about something completely different.
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Post by shadow3 on Mar 12, 2021 14:19:03 GMT
Throwback to the pilot episode of Star Trek: TOS.
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Post by Nnelg on Mar 12, 2021 14:42:09 GMT
So, is this confirmation that an official GKC game is being developed by Rusty Lake? |
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Post by fia on Mar 12, 2021 14:58:48 GMT
Oh no. The physical/mental jail, does it perhaps look like this ?  Immediately when we think of the "Omega Device" we think about Tony and his envelope here, and Eggers hating on Tony here. But what about Tony on this page and also Tony on this page? In Gunnerverse, mental illnesses and spiritual maladies are real substantialities... what if his anxiety, or avoidance, or trauma, or whatever it is, is a literal ... mind cage? And then –– Tony says he "doesn't know" why he's "like this". In our world, we take that to mean, he has some inexplicable personality flaw or anxiety disorder. But in Gunnerverse – again, is it an etheric malady?? What if the etheric malady was not accidental but actually generated by someone?? In this case, either someone like Saslamel (unlikely! Tony has no memory of it!) or... another... person? The theory has floated around before but I'd tended to dismiss it because it seemed too creepy for Gunnerverse. But now when I think about Jeanne, and the whole Renaissance-to-Enlightenment theme of the story, and the fact that it's Gunnerkrigg Court, as in like the Inquisitorial Court, my mind turns to paranoia. I'm just working on a paper that includes a translation of this line, from a letter to a nun who was a really brilliant mind that got shut up by misogynists in the real-world Catholic Church, This was a real thing real people actually really believed. That ignorance would protect you, that you were only to know about some things, that knowledge isn't always good. Gunnerkrigg sometimes seems like a super-advanced, super-pro knowledge place, but then there's tons of really powerful and intelligent characters who actually know very little about the entire operation, including Eggers, Anya, and Donald. It's very troubling. |
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Post by fia on Mar 12, 2021 15:15:49 GMT
Then again the title may be referring to these head crab overrides on the robots, which are just as creepy. |
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Post by wies on Mar 12, 2021 15:57:59 GMT
fia I appreciate those two alternative theories to what the mind cage could be. Makes speculating more interesting.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 12, 2021 16:01:08 GMT
So, is this confirmation that an official GKC game is being developed by Rusty Lake? I would preorder this one nanosecond after they announced it, even if I had to borrow the money. |
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Post by bedinsis on Mar 12, 2021 16:28:06 GMT
So we're going back to the chapter New Contract? Hopefully they'll expand upon the implications of that chapter's revelations, since I personally did not care for it. The Mind Cage. New-Theory-That-Almost-Certainly-Isn't-True: Zimmy didn't really merge the two Annies, she just made one dominant, and the other is now a prisoner inside the other one's mind. Heh, first time I got ninja'ed. I have nothing to add here, I just like the juxtaposition of your two avatars evoking a deep conversation between mother and daughter. The similarity of their avatars and the fact that they are all active forum posters is the reason I've mentally grouped madjack, wies and speedwell under the nickname "the chin-touchers". |
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Post by Gemminie on Mar 12, 2021 17:31:33 GMT
Oh no. The physical/mental jail, does it perhaps look like this ? Immediately when we think of the "Omega Device" we think about Tony and his envelope here, and Eggers hating on Tony here. But what about Tony on this page and also Tony on this page? In Gunnerverse, mental illnesses and spiritual maladies are real substantialities... what if his anxiety, or avoidance, or trauma, or whatever it is, is a literal ... mind cage? And then –– Tony says he "doesn't know" why he's "like this". In our world, we take that to mean, he has some inexplicable personality flaw or anxiety disorder. But in Gunnerverse – again, is it an etheric malady?? What if the etheric malady was not accidental but actually generated by someone?? In this case, either someone like Saslamel (unlikely! Tony has no memory of it!) or... another... person? The theory has floated around before but I'd tended to dismiss it because it seemed too creepy for Gunnerverse. But now when I think about Jeanne, and the whole Renaissance-to-Enlightenment theme of the story, and the fact that it's Gunnerkrigg Court, as in like the Inquisitorial Court, my mind turns to paranoia. I'm just working on a paper that includes a translation of this line, from a letter to a nun who was a really brilliant mind that got shut up by misogynists in the real-world Catholic Church, This was a real thing real people actually really believed. That ignorance would protect you, that you were only to know about some things, that knowledge isn't always good. Gunnerkrigg sometimes seems like a super-advanced, super-pro knowledge place, but then there's tons of really powerful and intelligent characters who actually know very little about the entire operation, including Eggers, Anya, and Donald. It's very troubling. OK. Dang. I was actually speculating in the back of my mind about whether Tony was in one of Saslamel's jails, but those are said to restrict your thought, and his thought isn't restricted, as he's quite brilliant; his emotions are. But I didn't go so far as to think that there might be different jails implemented by different beings. How long has Tony been "like this?" At least this long. But who would have placed such a restriction on him, how, and why? In terms of the storytelling, I'm not sure I'd find it well-written if an entirely new character were introduced at this point to do this to Tony in a flashback and then disappear, only to return in the present day, or perhaps never to be seen again. So ... what known characters have the ability and inclination to do it, and were around at that time? I mean, Coyote could do it, but I mention him only because he's been around for ages and can do basically anything. I don't see why he'd do it, though, or when, as Tony didn't hang out in the Forest that we know of. Various shadowy powers-that-be in the Court are kind of too easy. Was Llanwellyn around then? We don't know much about him. But I can think of one person who might have had the ability and opportunity: Tony himself. I'm not sure about the motivation, though. If he did it, he also seemingly erased his memory of having done so. I don't know. |
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 12, 2021 18:11:01 GMT
If Nicolas Cage doesn't make an appearance in this chapter, I'll be deeply disappointed.
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Post by Druplesnubb on Mar 12, 2021 18:46:22 GMT
Maybe this is about the Court unveiling their plan to expand beyond the limits of the human mind?
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 12, 2021 19:58:14 GMT
Personally, I'm in favor of the idea that it's Tony who's going to be in the "Mind Cage", because now that Annie's merged again, we're definitely going to have to see his reaction, and I doubt it's going to be a good one. I'm honestly not sure whether it's going to turn out to be a metaphorical mind cage, or an etherical one, or a scientific one, or some combination of the three...but Tony's definitely the expert on being trapped in your own head, is what I'm saying. It's also possible this is going to be one of those "double meaning" kind of titles/chapters, and we're actually going to be delving into Tony's "Mind Cage" and the "Mind Cage" or the robots (similar to She Gave Us An Ocean) simultaneously. |
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Post by saardvark on Mar 12, 2021 20:17:25 GMT
Saslamel/Clippy is the most obvious reference, as many have noted, and Tony seems in a mental cage of his own construction, but most Court robots have their minds "caged" at the moment - some forced to keep the Anja shield bubble operating, and some with hardware "mind crabs" so that the Court has full control. Could this maybe be about freeing robot minds instead?
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Post by Corvo on Mar 13, 2021 6:26:08 GMT
Since everyone is theorizing: I know we just had a zimmyscape chapter, but a "mind cage" does sound a lot like Zimmy's problem, especially when I think back to panel 7 here. |
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Post by speedwell on Mar 13, 2021 14:31:24 GMT
The similarity of their avatars and the fact that they are all active forum posters is the reason I've mentally grouped madjack , wies and speedwell under the nickname "the chin-touchers". Yes. That's a shot of Annie thinking deeply. Or she could also be using the tarjani mudra, which has several meanings, including vigilance against evil and protection of selfhood. Seen another way, though, and quite out of context, it also looks like an annoyed Annie giving the hand sign of the, um, well... medieval alchemists as well as St. Isidore of Seville (patron saint of the Internet, incidentally) would have known it as the digitus impudicus.  |
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 13, 2021 18:09:04 GMT
Yes. That's a shot of Annie thinking deeply. Or she could also be using the tarjani mudra, which has several meanings, including vigilance against evil and protection of selfhood. Which neatly brings us to the next point: so far, prolonged lack of makeup on Annie was followed by… various unpleasantness. |
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