[2403] It's been sneakin' around

[blazingstar]

Been sneakin' around.

A cookie awarded to Demonsul , who, last thread, asked if the ones chasing Zimmy were tree-elves, and absolutely no one heeded them.

[bicarbonat]

Dec 16, 2020 8:03:04 GMT blazingstar said:

Been sneakin' around.

A cookie awarded to Demonsul , who, last thread, asked if the ones chasing Zimmy were tree-elves, and absolutely no one heeded them.

*2403, OP.

[blazingstar]

Dec 16, 2020 8:04:07 GMT bicarbonat said:

*2403, OP.

*facepalm* Thank you, the thread being titled "2043" instead of "2403" would have messed up a LOT of people. Edited now.

[peachpie]

"It" 😥 I'm desperate now to know where Gamma is, I hope (for them) they haven't hurt her.

[jda]

Uh oh, another Zimmynghm shenanigan ahead.


PD: May it NOT be Zimmy? Like, someone else that got confuZed on the personality mix?

[Per]

This is why you don't give hoodies to elves, they turn into chavs.

[basser]

Ok what even is the definition of a demon in the Gunnerverse? These elf goobers have lived their whole lives with Coyote wandering about changing reality on a whim, borrowing folks' bodies, being a dead goose, whatever, and that's all fine apparently. Not a demon. But one look at this random greasy girl and it's all "oh hell naw"?

You can't just go around calling people demons without a mutual understanding of the term, elf hooligans. Words have meaning.

[ebaaus]

Dec 16, 2020 8:30:11 GMT Per said:

This is why you don't give hoodies to elves, they turn into chavs.

Chalves.

[wies]

Surprised that Courtnie calls Zimmy "a friend of ours".

Dec 16, 2020 8:30:39 GMT basser said:

Ok what even is the definition of a demon in the Gunnerverse? These elf goobers have lived their whole lives with Coyote wandering about changing reality on a whim, borrowing folks' bodies, being a dead goose, whatever, and that's all fine apparently. Not a demon. But one look at this random greasy girl and it's all "oh hell naw"?

You can't just go around calling people demons without a mutual understanding of the term, elf hooligans. Words have meaning.

Two people in the comic actually gave a definition.
Both defintions could apply to the elves' understanding of Zimmy. Though, the second is a more useful definition imo.

Edit: A deserved cookie to Demonsul

[blahzor]

Ok there's a high chance he won't show us what they look like to Zims

[migrantworker]

Oh, so the Chester students aren't quite as scary as we were led to believe. Three adolescent tree elves is all it takes to set one of them running.

I wonder how much of Chester crowd's self-perceived invulnerability was the result of all that Court infrastructure which is no longer around.

[Jelly Jellybean]

Dec 16, 2020 9:53:29 GMT migrantworker said:

Oh, so the Chester students aren't quite as scary as we were led to believe. Three adolescent tree elves is all it takes to set one of them running.

I wonder how much of Chester crowd's self-perceived invulnerability was the result of all that Court infrastructure which is no longer around.

Zimmy was running away from them to avoid hurting them.  Assuming this is actually Zimmy.  Renard didn't want Annie(s) touching her so something may be up that he and the elves can sense.

[madjack]

I'm wondering why Zims is reacting this way, running like mad away from a bunch of tree-elf bullies. Is she afraid she'll snap and drag them into Zimmingham or something?

Edit: Beaten while typing^

[ohthatone]

I think zimmy is running from them simply because she is being ganged up on. But now I am worried for gamma. Maybe she was sneaking around looking for her.

[pyradonis]

Well, so much for "none of them forest creatures would even come near us", huh?

Dec 16, 2020 8:56:45 GMT wies said:

Surprised that Courtnie calls Zimmy "a friend of ours".

Dec 16, 2020 8:30:39 GMT basser said:

Ok what even is the definition of a demon in the Gunnerverse? These elf goobers have lived their whole lives with Coyote wandering about changing reality on a whim, borrowing folks' bodies, being a dead goose, whatever, and that's all fine apparently. Not a demon. But one look at this random greasy girl and it's all "oh hell naw"?

You can't just go around calling people demons without a mutual understanding of the term, elf hooligans. Words have meaning.

Two people in the comic actually gave a definition.
Both defintions could apply to the elves' understanding of Zimmy. Though, the second is a more useful definition imo.

Edit: A deserved cookie to Demonsul

I was going to link to Jones' definition myself. That is probably the most accurate definition for this comic, especially since IIRC Tom said that there are no truly evil characters in this comic, only characters who occasionally do things that in this situation can be perceived as evil. While most people who read this comic probably broadly define demons as something like "supernatural beings who are almost always evil and actively harm other beings".

These dudes are probably what fits that kind of definition the most, walking giant insects and animal corpses living outside the physical realm who trick a guy into cutting off his hand and pulling out his daughter's life force seemingly for no other reason than shits'n'giggles.

Dec 16, 2020 10:54:34 GMT Jelly Jellybean said:

Dec 16, 2020 9:53:29 GMT migrantworker said:

Oh, so the Chester students aren't quite as scary as we were led to believe. Three adolescent tree elves is all it takes to set one of them running.

I wonder how much of Chester crowd's self-perceived invulnerability was the result of all that Court infrastructure which is no longer around.

Zimmy was running away from them to avoid hurting them.  Assuming this is actually Zimmy.  Renard didn't want Annie(s) touching her so something may be up that he and the elves can sense.

Renard has always behaved that way around Zimmy, he hates and fears her.

[ctso74]

Apparently, Forest denizens are not a fan of Zims, by default. I wonder what they see/feel?
Perhaps, the chapter will be about searching for Gamma. If so, the title "Find Yourself" might indicate, that we're exploring the connection between Gamma and Zimmy. I doubt it's their love of crochet.

[imaginaryfriend]

Just because three elves are what we've seen doesn't mean that's all that are chasing the Zimster. Gamma may well be holding back/leading away others.

[random]If it's a demon that three elf kids can take then it's probably not that scary.[/random]

[Gemminie]

Dec 16, 2020 8:14:45 GMT peachpie said:

"It" 😥 I'm desperate now to know where Gamma is, I hope (for them) they haven't hurt her.

Me too – where is Gamma? Is Zimmy "sneakin' around" trying to find her? Did these trooligans separate Gamma from Zimmy, or did someone or something else do that? I notice that in her wild run across half the Court she somehow managed to find Annie (and Annie, and Renard) – but she hasn't found Gamma. Whatever etheric senses she has are capable of finding the Annie needle in the Court haystack, but not Gamma, the person whom she mainly wants to find. So either Gamma's beyond the reach of those senses, or perhaps Zimmy can sense her but she's out of reach some other way (such as locked up in some building, or running from other treens).

Dec 16, 2020 8:22:39 GMT jda said:

Uh oh, another Zimmynghm shenanigan ahead.

Yeah, Zimmy's got her hands to her head just like she usually does before it all goes -BLIP-. This won't be good. I mean, it'll be a good story for us to read, but it won't be fun for anyone in it.

Dec 16, 2020 9:53:29 GMT migrantworker said:

Oh, so the Chester students aren't quite as scary as we were led to believe. Three adolescent tree elves is all it takes to set one of them running.

This is like saying, "Oh, so this ticking thing isn't as scary as we were led to believe" while juggling a time bomb. I suspect that they don't know what they're messing with, they're about to find out, and they're not gonna like it. Zimmy's plenty scary – I think she's only running from them because she doesn't want to go all Zimmingham on them. Not because she doesn't want to hurt them, because she certainly does, now that they've chased her halfway across the Court, but because when she loses control it seems to hurt a lot.

Also, they got Zimmy alone for some unknown reason. Zimmy and Gamma together would be far more dangerous, and with all the other unknown (to us) Chester students and their unknown abilities, Zimmy's certainly right.

[migrantworker]

Dec 16, 2020 16:16:59 GMT Gemminie said:

Dec 16, 2020 9:53:29 GMT migrantworker said:

Oh, so the Chester students aren't quite as scary as we were led to believe. Three adolescent tree elves is all it takes to set one of them running.

This is like saying, "Oh, so this ticking thing isn't as scary as we were led to believe" while juggling a time bomb. I suspect that they don't know what they're messing with, they're about to find out, and they're not gonna like it. Zimmy's plenty scary – I think she's only running from them because she doesn't want to go all Zimmingham on them. Not because she doesn't want to hurt them, because she certainly does, now that they've chased her halfway across the Court, but because when she loses control it seems to hurt a lot.

Also, they got Zimmy alone for some unknown reason. Zimmy and Gamma together would be far more dangerous, and with all the other unknown (to us) Chester students and their unknown abilities, Zimmy's certainly right.

But she is alone, and not using her power. And therein lies the rub. Knowingly or not, the elf youngsters found a chink in her armour and exploited it to the point where Zimmy lost all initiative. (It also goes some way to show just how impractical time bombs are as weapons.)

Thinking about it now, it reminds me of how Paz brought Annies to a halt with a few well-placed words. It's also quite fitting to see the roles potentially being reversed.

[migrantworker]

Dec 16, 2020 10:54:34 GMT Jelly Jellybean said:

Dec 16, 2020 9:53:29 GMT migrantworker said:

Oh, so the Chester students aren't quite as scary as we were led to believe. Three adolescent tree elves is all it takes to set one of them running.

I wonder how much of Chester crowd's self-perceived invulnerability was the result of all that Court infrastructure which is no longer around.

Zimmy was running away from them to avoid hurting them.  Assuming this is actually Zimmy.  Renard didn't want Annie(s) touching her so something may be up that he and the elves can sense.

Yeah, maybe those elf youngsters did not realise what they are up against. But still they got Zimmy on the run. Yes, I have a wildspec-grade conviction that it is an actual Zimmy.

Also, do the elves have something to do with Omega? I mean, Zimmy notices a thing by this name, and next thing we know she is running away from what turns out to be a group of elves...

[bedinsis]

I did not foresee it being tree elves chasing Zimmy.

I wonder if that is their natural hair colors, particularly the blonde one.

[caber]

Dec 16, 2020 13:35:10 GMT pyradonis said:

Well, so much for "none of them forest creatures would even come near us", huh?

Dec 16, 2020 8:56:45 GMT wies said:

Surprised that Courtnie calls Zimmy "a friend of ours".

Two people in the comic actually gave a definition.
Both defintions could apply to the elves' understanding of Zimmy. Though, the second is a more useful definition imo.

Edit: A deserved cookie to Demonsul

I was going to link to Jones' definition myself. That is probably the most accurate definition for this comic, especially since IIRC Tom said that there are no truly evil characters in this comic, only characters who occasionally do things that in this situation can be perceived as evil. While most people who read this comic probably broadly define demons as something like "supernatural beings who are almost always evil and actively harm other beings".

These dudes are probably what fits that kind of definition the most, walking giant insects and animal corpses living outside the physical realm who trick a guy into cutting off his hand and pulling out his daughters life force seemingly for no other reason than shits'n'giggles.

Dec 16, 2020 10:54:34 GMT Jelly Jellybean said:

Zimmy was running away from them to avoid hurting them.  Assuming this is actually Zimmy.  Renard didn't want Annie(s) touching her so something may be up that he and the elves can sense.

Renard has always behaved that way around Zimmy, he hates and fears her.

I always wondered if the ritual Tony undertook was *intended* to do that, or if the ritual legitimately would work on a normal dead person, but fire elemental weirdness messed it up.

[warrl]

Dec 16, 2020 16:16:59 GMT Gemminie said:

This won't be good. I mean, it'll be a good story for us to read, but it won't be fun for anyone in it.

What writers do to our fictional characters would get many of us life sentences, at minimum, if we did them to real people.

[echo]

This chapter thus far. A demon warns a fire elemental split in two of the impending pursuit of the tree elves, who warn the fire elemental of the demon, while the other demon, incased in a plushie, warns the fire elementals of the first demon.

[pyradonis]

Dec 16, 2020 17:36:55 GMT caber said:

Dec 16, 2020 13:35:10 GMT pyradonis said:

Well, so much for "none of them forest creatures would even come near us", huh?

I was going to link to Jones' definition myself. That is probably the most accurate definition for this comic, especially since IIRC Tom said that there are no truly evil characters in this comic, only characters who occasionally do things that in this situation can be perceived as evil. While most people who read this comic probably broadly define demons as something like "supernatural beings who are almost always evil and actively harm other beings".

These dudes are probably what fits that kind of definition the most, walking giant insects and animal corpses living outside the physical realm who trick a guy into cutting off his hand and pulling out his daughters life force seemingly for no other reason than shits'n'giggles.

Renard has always behaved that way around Zimmy, he hates and fears her.

I always wondered if the ritual Tony undertook was *intended* to do that, or if the ritual legitimately would work on a normal dead person, but fire elemental weirdness messed it up.

I'd say chances are good this is indeed the case. If they were aware of what would happen I see Tom having a pretty hard time to justify their action in any way, barring "they had to because they are actual demons who can get nourishment only from human suffering". Seeing how hard it is to even reach them... doubtful that creatures whose very nature it were to torment humans would be so reclusive. As far as we know, Tony is the only character in the comic who ever met them.

[mturtle7]

Dec 16, 2020 19:59:05 GMT echo said:

This chapter thus far. A demon warns a fire elemental split in two of the impending pursuit of the tree elves, who warn the fire elemental of the demon, while the other demon, incased in a plushie, warns the fire elementals of the first demon.

An impressive amount of fantastic creature warnings for just two pages!

[blazingstar]

Dec 16, 2020 16:16:59 GMT Gemminie said:

Yeah, Zimmy's got her hands to her head just like she usually does before it all goes -BLIP-. This won't be good. I mean, it'll be a good story for us to read, but it won't be fun for anyone in it
.....

Also, they got Zimmy alone for some unknown reason. Zimmy and Gamma together would be far more dangerous, and with all the other unknown (to us) Chester students and their unknown abilities, Zimmy's certainly right.

I disagree that a -BLIP- is inevitable. After all, Annie is standing next to her, and two of them! 2 Carvers = 1 well-rested Gamma.

[foxurus]

Zimmy can't control her powers, and she's pretty awful in a fight. Annie's not trying to hurt Zimmy there, but if these guys wanted to, they could beat her up real bad. My read is that she's running from them because she's genuinely afraid of them.

[pinegreenjellybean]

Dec 16, 2020 8:56:45 GMT wies said:

Surprised that Courtnie calls Zimmy "a friend of ours".

Dec 16, 2020 8:30:39 GMT basser said:

Ok what even is the definition of a demon in the Gunnerverse? These elf goobers have lived their whole lives with Coyote wandering about changing reality on a whim, borrowing folks' bodies, being a dead goose, whatever, and that's all fine apparently. Not a demon. But one look at this random greasy girl and it's all "oh hell naw"?

You can't just go around calling people demons without a mutual understanding of the term, elf hooligans. Words have meaning.

Two people in the comic actually gave a definition.
Both defintions could apply to the elves' understanding of Zimmy. Though, the second is a more useful definition imo.

Edit: A deserved cookie to Demonsul

Granted, Zimmy did save Annie(s) on multiple occasions. Annie has also helped Zimmy out a couple of times. I guess they're more like close allies in times of need rather than buddies, but the shoe kind of fits.

[jda]

Wow, TreeElves will be the NoFaces from Zimmyngham