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Post by ohthatone on Nov 17, 2020 12:54:00 GMT
As a child of two parents who came from abusive households, I would say that Tony's behaviour feels more like the actions of my parents, who were deeply traumatized adults who had built bad habits as a coping mechanism and have spent much of their lives trying to overcome them... Which brings me to something I always wonder about in these absent/dead parent stories...what about grandparents? Aunts, uncles? Tony clearly dodged the question when surma asked him about his parents, which makes me wonder how much, if any, of his actions stem from them somehow. And what about surmas dad? Does annie have a grandfather somewhere? |
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Post by maxptc on Nov 17, 2020 15:50:07 GMT
As a child of two parents who came from abusive households, I would say that Tony's behaviour feels more like the actions of my parents, who were deeply traumatized adults who had built bad habits as a coping mechanism and have spent much of their lives trying to overcome them, rather than my parents' parents, who were also deeply traumatized but made no efforts to correct themselves. Sometimes my parents' actions would definitely qualify as abuse, especially when they were younger. However, year by year they got better at managing their trauma and our relationships grew warmer. In particular, my father and I struggled to connect for years, and in the end what brought us together was working together when I was an older teen and adult. Sometimes it takes a lot of time, and a lot of trying. It's a shame that kids have to carry such a burden in those kind of relationships. It's not fair. But I don't regret for a second spending my time pushing my parents to be better. It was good for all of us. Sometimes I got angry about having so much responsibility for fixing things that weren't my fault, but mostly I was just overjoyed by every little breakthrough, much like Annie is here. And it was worth it because of where we ended up. We now have a very happy, healthy, open relationship. That's not the story for everyone, but it was mine. It doesn't excuse anything but sometimes parents are processing grief and trauma and that causes them to fail to be the parents they should be for a while - maybe even a long time. But if they care, and they're trying, and the child feels safe, it's better for the child to stay with them and work on setting those boundaries together. We don't always get the parents we need, and you don't even have to be abused for your parents to fail to meet your emotional needs, but things can get better with communication and effort. It's hard to watch but it's clear to me that Tony is trying, even if his progress is agonizingly slow. The most important thing is that he will keep her safe and fed, and Annie wants to be with him. I think it's good that she is. One of my one of my wild theories is Tonys parents are at the court and have a high rank/important position. Considering Tony has been socially challenged since we first saw him and his quick subject change when Surma brought them up, I figure his parents either didn't care or notice, which is odd unless they are absentees, or trained him to be quite in groups, be it intentionally or just by having him around but not allowing him to participate. I definitely get a hard "trauma begets trauma" vibe from Tony. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 17, 2020 15:56:27 GMT
There's something about this particular page that unsettles me that I can't quite articulate. Not sure if this is what you mean but I did notice that Fannie doesn't have any suggestion of face or clothes in panel #2; she's doing a good impression of Cousin It too late for Halloween. Not sure if that's a conscious choice in contrast to Courtnie "putting on her face" but unless she's done a complete 180 I think there should be something. Also Courtnie's nose/lip alignment and position is questionable. (left = original, right = changed)  |
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Post by blahzor on Nov 17, 2020 20:16:58 GMT
I wonder how long until Tom gets back to youtubing the chapters
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Nov 17, 2020 22:02:21 GMT
Yes, Tony did try. He tried hard (for him), but that hill was too steep to climb. That last frame has an ominous quality, much like the final frame of the Kat/Paz scene, but what it's ominous of is of course unclear. "A step on the way to knowing him better" could be followed by something happening to him, or just by a cut to another scene elsewhere. So we've had 6 pages of Kat and Paz, then Zimmy screaming, then 5 pages of Annies/Renard/Tony. I wonder, well, what's next. It's too early to tell whether this chapter will be a series of slices of life punctuated by Zimmy screams. If it is, will it be 6/1/6/1/6/1/etc., or 6/1/5/1/4/1/etc. (accelerating), or was that Zimmy's only appearance this chapter? Four pages of Robot and Shadow. Then three pages of Jimmy Jims and Idra. The holidays are approaching, so maybe... Six pages of Kat apologizing, Five pages of Annie struggling, Four pages of Robot and Shadow sneaking, Three pages of Jimmy Jims and Idra smooching, Two pages of Court scheming, And a page of Coyote as a tree! |
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Post by DonDueed on Nov 17, 2020 22:20:52 GMT
Yes, Tony did try. He tried hard (for him), but that hill was too steep to climb. That last frame has an ominous quality, much like the final frame of the Kat/Paz scene, but what it's ominous of is of course unclear. "A step on the way to knowing him better" could be followed by something happening to him, or just by a cut to another scene elsewhere. So we've had 6 pages of Kat and Paz, then Zimmy screaming, then 5 pages of Annies/Renard/Tony. I wonder, well, what's next. It's too early to tell whether this chapter will be a series of slices of life punctuated by Zimmy screams. If it is, will it be 6/1/6/1/6/1/etc., or 6/1/5/1/4/1/etc. (accelerating), or was that Zimmy's only appearance this chapter? Four pages of Robot and Shadow. Then three pages of Jimmy Jims and Idra. The holidays are approaching, so maybe... Six pages of Kat apologizing, Five pages of Annie struggling, Four pages of Robot and Shadow sneaking, Three pages of Jimmy Jims and Idra smooching, Two pages of Court scheming, And a page of Coyote as a tree! I think you missed...
FIIIIVE BOOOOOX-BOTTTTS!
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Post by shaihulud on Nov 18, 2020 2:15:09 GMT
That last line of lyrics was terrible.
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Post by ctso74 on Nov 18, 2020 14:54:26 GMT
Yes, Tony did try. He tried hard (for him), but that hill was too steep to climb. That last frame has an ominous quality, much like the final frame of the Kat/Paz scene, but what it's ominous of is of course unclear. "A step on the way to knowing him better" could be followed by something happening to him, or just by a cut to another scene elsewhere. So we've had 6 pages of Kat and Paz, then Zimmy screaming, then 5 pages of Annies/Renard/Tony. I wonder, well, what's next. It's too early to tell whether this chapter will be a series of slices of life punctuated by Zimmy screams. If it is, will it be 6/1/6/1/6/1/etc., or 6/1/5/1/4/1/etc. (accelerating), or was that Zimmy's only appearance this chapter? Four pages of Robot and Shadow. Then three pages of Jimmy Jims and Idra. The holidays are approaching, so maybe... Six pages of Kat apologizing, Five pages of Annie struggling, Four pages of Robot and Shadow sneaking, Three pages of Jimmy Jims and Idra smooching, Two pages of Court scheming, And a page of Coyote as a tree! Seriously though, he could be using that as a narrative pacing device, to show increasing tension on Zimmy's "situation?" |
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