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Post by arf on Sept 14, 2020 7:04:22 GMT
...AHA!Given this is *so* close to the last chapter of this volume, I'm wondering where the ending's going to leave us. Shall we start a poll? [update: yes, we shall!]
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Post by wies on Sept 14, 2020 7:33:28 GMT
If there is a poll, my vote would be for an ending that recontextualizes a lot of the story.
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Post by Noximilian on Sept 14, 2020 8:14:55 GMT
I cannot shake the feeling that these past few pages were only the calm before the storm, and soon all hell brakes loose...
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Post by guntherkrieg on Sept 14, 2020 8:16:33 GMT
If there is a poll, my vote would be for an ending that recontextualizes a lot of the story. Fingers crossed. |
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Post by blahzor on Sept 14, 2020 8:42:15 GMT
It's going to end that we find out Kat has been dead the entire time. A soul for a soul Soul Gem style
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Post by madjack on Sept 14, 2020 8:55:53 GMT
It's going to end that we find out Kat has been dead the entire time. A soul for a soul Soul Gem style I don't know, if there's any number of concepts the GC universe has hard-coded into it, any kind of fairness is not one of them. |
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Post by philman on Sept 14, 2020 8:57:11 GMT
...AHA!Given this is *so* close to the last chapter of this volume, I'm wondering where the ending's going to leave us. Shall we start a poll? I'm still going for my prediction from earlier that Kat fails to save Annie, she dies, and the two next to her disappear. Even if that doesn't happen exactly, it seems like many of us think the Annie in the time-vision is going to die. ALSO: I never noticed before how beat up the robot coming back from the forest looks compared to the clean looking robot that went in on the last page. |
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Post by arf on Sept 14, 2020 9:26:10 GMT
...AHA!Given this is *so* close to the last chapter of this volume, I'm wondering where the ending's going to leave us. Shall we start a poll? I'm still going for my prediction from earlier that Kat fails to save Annie, she dies, and the two next to her disappear. Even if that doesn't happen exactly, it seems like many of us think the Annie in the time-vision is going to die. ALSO: I never noticed before how beat up the robot coming back from the forest looks compared to the clean looking robot that went in on the last page. That option is in the poll I've just created. |
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Post by netherdan on Sept 14, 2020 12:29:16 GMT
(assuming there's no fast-forward function in Skuld's modified controller) Okay, so Skuld added the fast-forward function, there's that... Kat may not be able to control when in time it will pop up but she can make the bird wait in suspend mode in an instant (and I'm assuming it doesn't stay tangible in that spot, otherwise it would be vulnerable for weeks or even years) |
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Post by todd on Sept 14, 2020 12:39:46 GMT
...AHA!Given this is *so* close to the last chapter of this volume, I'm wondering where the ending's going to leave us. Shall we start a poll? I'm still going for my prediction from earlier that Kat fails to save Annie, she dies, and the two next to her disappear. I still think that the problem with this prediction is that it doesn't match how time travel's being presented here. All the other visits of the Tic-Toc to the past we've seen fulfilled its appearances in the earlier chapters of the comic, rather than changing them. The Tic-Toc failing to save Annie would break that rule. |
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Post by netherdan on Sept 14, 2020 13:59:17 GMT
I'm still going for my prediction from earlier that Kat fails to save Annie, she dies, and the two next to her disappear. I still think that the problem with this prediction is that it doesn't match how time travel's being presented here. All the other visits of the Tic-Toc to the past we've seen fulfilled its appearances in the earlier chapters of the comic, rather than changing them. The Tic-Toc failing to save Annie would break that rule. It already broke that rule by having 6 birds to the rescue. Kat's perception of time is linear and she can't be at six times at once, so that implies she'll try six times until it's done. The problem is that if by the first time the six birds are already there, she'll save Annie and there won't be a reason to keep looping, but if she doesn't loop 5 more times she wouldn't have saved Annie. The solutions to that are either she recognizes (or is told about) this paradox and keep doing it or something forces her to try again 5 more times, and that's where the "mission failed" scenario comes in. But whether that would result in a CK-Class Restructuring Scenario that erases Annie from the current timeline is a whole other issue |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 14, 2020 14:16:21 GMT
S13 looks more beaten up than I remembered. If there is a poll, my vote would be for an ending that recontextualizes a lot of the story. I hope that's what happens.  I still think that the problem with this prediction is that it doesn't match how time travel's being presented here. All the other visits of the Tic-Toc to the past we've seen fulfilled its appearances in the earlier chapters of the comic, rather than changing them. The Tic-Toc failing to save Annie would break that rule. It already broke that rule by having 6 birds to the rescue. Kat's perception of time is linear and she can't be at six times at once, so that implies she'll try six times until it's done. Next page: Annie: "But Kat, there were half a dozen of these birds coming to my rescue, not just one!" Skuld: "By the way, that button there is for multiplying your bird." But I would prefer... Past Annie falls, Kat tries to catch her with the Tic-Toc, suddenly notices there are five more Tic-Tocs.Kat: What the f-? Chapter end. |
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 14, 2020 14:20:01 GMT
I'm think, Kat will have to watch Annie die a few times, and in traumatically repeating it, gets enough Tic-Tocs.
And in the end, a shaken Kat and worried Annies will see a smiling Coyote say, "Well, it's about time..."
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Post by migrantworker on Sept 14, 2020 14:24:13 GMT
I still think that the problem with this prediction is that it doesn't match how time travel's being presented here. All the other visits of the Tic-Toc to the past we've seen fulfilled its appearances in the earlier chapters of the comic, rather than changing them. The Tic-Toc failing to save Annie would break that rule. It already broke that rule by having 6 birds to the rescue. Kat's perception of time is linear and she can't be at six times at once, so that implies she'll try six times until it's done. The problem is that if by the first time the six birds are already there, she'll save Annie and there won't be a reason to keep looping, but if she doesn't loop 5 more times she wouldn't have saved Annie. The solutions to that are either she recognizes (or is told about) this paradox and keep doing it or something forces her to try again 5 more times, and that's where the "mission failed" scenario comes in. But whether that would result in a CK-Class Restructuring Scenario that erases Annie from the current timeline is a whole other issue Hmm. So far in this chapter, Kat has steered the bird towards 6 points in time: - Zimmy in the courtyard; - Zimmy in a corridor (panels 5 and 6); - Zimmy by the door (panels 8 and 9); - young Donald and Anja; - Annie escaping from hospital (panels 6-8); - and now, the bridge. Could she already have enough instances of the Tic-toc (in the main timeline) at her disposal to successfully save Annie on the first try? |
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Post by novia on Sept 14, 2020 14:26:35 GMT
I think... Kat will start looping back and then ... ACHOO! Now the tic-toc is wayyyy too far back in time.
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Post by netherdan on Sept 14, 2020 14:41:07 GMT
Next page: Annie: "But Kat, there were half a dozen of these birds coming to my rescue, not just one!" Skuld: "By the way, that button there is for multiplying your bird." I would prefer not having Skuld solve all the issues, but then again the comic is a long statement about why you should ask the adults for help. Maybe this is the pay-off. |
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Post by Gemminie on Sept 14, 2020 15:57:19 GMT
I think... Kat will start looping back and then ... ACHOO! Now the tic-toc is wayyyy too far back in time. I like this one!  My thought is something like this: Kat: [steers the Tic-Toc to save Annie, noticing multiple other Tic-Tocs around] Where are all these other copies coming from? Verdandi: You have not yet sent them, but you will. Kat: Oh, so I ... [sees Jeanne coming with her sword] Oh crap! [panics and sends the Tic-Toc literally anywhere/when else] Coyote: [from prehistoric times, obviously talking to Kat, the Annies, etc.] Well, hello there! I do love reading the spoilers. |
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Post by fia on Sept 14, 2020 18:09:24 GMT
Or, possible twist, instead of Kat having two watch Annie die etc:
Everything has looked normal so far, except: now there are two Annies in the past and two Annies on the bridge!
It would still be 100% inconsistent time-travel wise but at least would make sense insofar as Loup pulled the second Annie into this reality – maybe he did it full throttle, not just starting at time t (where t = moment Loup and Annie met to talk).
I'm still pretty uncomfortable with the idea of the timeline Kat sees being at all different from what actually happened; I'm expecting the revelations might come more in what Kat sees now that she has an extra pair of eyes in the past, rather than what changes when the Tictocs travel through time. Who else was there at the bridge, or on the banks of the river? How did the Tictoc crash into the cliffside? Etcetera.
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Post by netherdan on Sept 14, 2020 18:18:35 GMT
Everything has looked normal so far, except: now there are two Annies in the past and two Annies on the bridge! I don't know if I'm right but I think someone already posted a "I seem to have acquired a second me" joke at the Opportunity thread, I just can't find it |
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Post by bedinsis on Sept 14, 2020 19:50:02 GMT
It would still be 100% inconsistent time-travel wise but at least would make sense insofar as Loup pulled the second Annie into this reality – maybe he did it full throttle, not just starting at time t (where t = moment Loup and Annie met to talk). |
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Post by crater on Sept 14, 2020 20:11:32 GMT
I'm robooooooooooooooooooting
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Sept 14, 2020 22:51:09 GMT
I still think that the problem with this prediction is that it doesn't match how time travel's being presented here. All the other visits of the Tic-Toc to the past we've seen fulfilled its appearances in the earlier chapters of the comic, rather than changing them. The Tic-Toc failing to save Annie would break that rule. It already broke that rule by having 6 birds to the rescue. Kat's perception of time is linear and she can't be at six times at once, so that implies she'll try six times until it's done. ... Really just throwing stuff at the wall now, but maybe Kat will have a break through in perception and not be restricted to perceiving time linearly. And the Annies will have no clue what is happening. I would prefer not having Skuld solve all the issues, but then again the comic is a long statement about why you should ask the adults for help. Maybe this is the pay-off. Too Deus, much Ex. But I would prefer... Past Annie falls, Kat tries to catch her with the Tic-Toc, suddenly notices there are five more Tic-Tocs.Kat: What the f-? Chapter end. The Norns said Kat has visited them before and more than once, so this maybe the loop we are seeing is the third, fourth, fifth, or the sixth/final loop. EDIT Upon further consideration, the Norns don't seem distinguish between past, present, and future visits. They may included future visits when they said " many times", even the first time Kat paid a visit. Sorry for rambling on.... |
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Post by Runningflame on Sept 15, 2020 0:12:37 GMT
I don't know, if there's any number of concepts the GC universe has hard-coded into it, any kind of fairness is not one of them. I guess not hard-coded, but Jones at least seems to care about fairness. I don't know if I'm right but I think someone already posted a "I seem to have acquired a second me" joke at the Opportunity thread, I just can't find it  |
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Post by blahzor on Sept 16, 2020 0:17:01 GMT
It's going to end that we find out Kat has been dead the entire time. A soul for a soul Soul Gem style I don't know, if there's any number of concepts the GC universe has hard-coded into it, any kind of fairness is not one of them. diagonal fairness ala Mort Kat saves Annie but she has to spend generations as a guide first, luckily Kat's a god so she lives long enough that Annie gets to experience a "normal" life in 300 years and they continue to be friends/whatever/BFF |
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