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Post by madjack on Sept 11, 2020 7:16:56 GMT
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Post by madjack on Sept 11, 2020 7:21:08 GMT
Also: Cookies [update] The tictoc sitting on the bridge emitted a shriek when Annie fell. Did that act as a marker for Kat to home in on? |
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Post by wies on Sept 11, 2020 7:22:00 GMT
Here we have the start, next the Fall.
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Post by arf on Sept 11, 2020 7:53:06 GMT
Cookies received. Will pass them on if Annies* shortly disappear due to causal disruptions.
I wonder whether Jeanne kills the tictoc on the first attempt, and Kat has to go make another one?**
* Carver shouldn't feel too bad about this one act being the start of it all. Anything she did would have been the start of it all! So they can have a good think about what they did while causally disrupted.
** Will we discover what Ysengrin *really* did with the broken toc?
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Post by Eily on Sept 11, 2020 7:54:41 GMT
But the very first domino in that series of event, the one thing that led Annie to become two, is that she started the comic with two shadows... Now that's what I call foreshadowing  |
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Post by madjack on Sept 11, 2020 7:56:14 GMT
But the very first domino in that series of event, the one thing that led Annie to become two, is that she started the comic with two shadows... Now that's what I call foreshadowing Oh no you didn't.... |
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Post by antiyonder on Sept 11, 2020 9:31:56 GMT
Shouldn't Fannie's quote been "This one act of ours essentially started all of this..." instead of "This one act of mine essentially started all of this..."?
So who should we blame for the error? Tom or Fannie?:-D
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Post by blahzor on Sept 11, 2020 12:04:10 GMT
ok seems something will happen, Robot will see Kat in the sky behind the bird. calls her a angel, and a religion is now born. this act makes his CPU special
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Post by todd on Sept 11, 2020 12:41:19 GMT
Shouldn't Fannie's quote been "This one act of ours essentially started all of this..." instead of "This one act of ours essentially started all of this..."? I'm not sure I understand; both sentences/quotes look the same to me. If there's a difference between them, I haven't spotted it yet. As for the talk about the Tic-Toc getting prematurely killed, or Annie originally dying in the fall from the bridge, or things like that, I don't think we're going to see that. The way they're handling the Tic-Toc's time traveling suggests that it's a "time travelers don't change the past because they were already there" scenario; that is, all the appearances of the Tic-Toc in the past are fulfilling its earlier appearances, all the way back to Chapter One. Having actual changes in the past would contradict that. |
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Post by netherdan on Sept 11, 2020 12:47:06 GMT
Wait, wait! So will she just wait it out in suspend mode until it's time to BEEEEE!? Also, wait, wait, wait! The nice birdie scene is what inspired the whole mythical ornithonic thing? Is the sole reason for its mythology just the fact that it was an unknown robot bird at the bridge when Robot was given a choice? Damn Robot! Way to self insert! Wasn't it enough to take the appearance of an angelical figure inside the character creation screen? |
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Post by antiyonder on Sept 11, 2020 13:16:23 GMT
Shouldn't Fannie's quote been "This one act of ours essentially started all of this..." instead of "This one act of ours essentially started all of this..."? I'm not sure I understand; both sentences/quotes look the same to me. If there's a difference between them, I haven't spotted it yet. As for the talk about the Tic-Toc getting prematurely killed, or Annie originally dying in the fall from the bridge, or things like that, I don't think we're going to see that. The way they're handling the Tic-Toc's time traveling suggests that it's a "time travelers don't change the past because they were already there" scenario; that is, all the appearances of the Tic-Toc in the past are fulfilling its earlier appearances, all the way back to Chapter One. Having actual changes in the past would contradict that. My mistake. I meant for the second sentence to be a direct quote from the comics only it was "mine" instead of "our". |
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 11, 2020 13:22:28 GMT
But the very first domino in that series of event, the one thing that led Annie to become two, is that she started the comic with two shadows... Now that's what I call foreshadowing It seems a little two dimensional to me.  |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 11, 2020 13:58:48 GMT
Tom: not even bothering to try and explain how the Tic-Toc is controlled. Just "oh, now we are here!" Huh? Now what makes you think that? |
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Post by netherdan on Sept 11, 2020 14:08:31 GMT
Tom: not even bothering to try and explain how the Tic-Toc is controlled. Just "oh, now we are here!" Huh? Now what makes you think that? Because apparently Kat will anchor the Toc in there and the next appearance will be the trials of the ravine up to its final demise. And I doubt Kat will have the mind to go anywhen else while Annie is dying over and over. Unless the Norns intervene with some "actually, you need to do something else before this" kinda deal |
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Post by gunnerscrag on Sept 11, 2020 15:33:13 GMT
Seems like its still missing more travels. Even while if the bird is anchored to the bridge and will travel to the time Annie fell, that still leaves the other (many, apparently) times other robots and court people saw it. Wasn't it supposed to have been around since before the court or something? That'd mean they have to go back to random spots BEFORE Jeanne cuts it and Ysengrin captures the remains.
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Post by netherdan on Sept 11, 2020 19:19:58 GMT
Seems like its still missing more travels. Even while if the bird is anchored to the bridge and will travel to the time Annie fell, that still leaves the other (many, apparently) times other robots and court people saw it. Wasn't it supposed to have been around since before the court or something? That'd mean they have to go back to random spots BEFORE Jeanne cuts it and Ysengrin captures the remains. I don't think was ever confirmed that it was Jeanne who destroyed it. For all we know it could have been Zimmy during one of its flybys. And what's astonishing me is that maybe this whole "mythical ornithonic" thing was all Robot's proselytizing and making a big deal out of his own experiences. But maybe I'm wrong and we will have a little bit more than 6 loops to go |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Sept 11, 2020 19:33:01 GMT
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Post by blahzor on Sept 11, 2020 22:28:07 GMT
Wait, wait! So will she just wait it out in suspend mode until it's time to BEEEEE!? Also, wait, wait, wait! The nice birdie scene is what inspired the whole mythical ornithonic thing? Is the sole reason for its mythology just the fact that it was an unknown robot bird at the bridge when Robot was given a choice? Damn Robot! Way to self insert! Wasn't it enough to take the appearance of an angelical figure inside the character creation screen? weird that it only makes tic toc sonnd, and the Beeee let Robot know to push Annie, so she can then get saved by the Tic Toc. Kat has to cause the near death to save her. sooo was the original tic toc Kat just playing around watching things for fun in Gunnerkrigg pass, happens upon this Annie girl she didn't know on a bridge with a robot, Her tic toc made a sound to probably warn that Annie due to possible danger for being on the bridge. This causes the robot to accidently? push her off. it cause guilt she effectively got her killed. Thus start her need to save this Annie. Thus leads to her being friends with her and loops to save her til the end of time now |
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Post by blahzor on Sept 11, 2020 23:40:25 GMT
Seems like its still missing more travels. Even while if the bird is anchored to the bridge and will travel to the time Annie fell, that still leaves the other (many, apparently) times other robots and court people saw it. Wasn't it supposed to have been around since before the court or something? That'd mean they have to go back to random spots BEFORE Jeanne cuts it and Ysengrin captures the remains. it'll probably b anchored at that spot but goes to the time right as the seed bismuth is planted so someone would see it and thus "it's older than the court itself" has begun. there would be no split at that point also |
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Post by King Mir on Sept 12, 2020 1:00:44 GMT
I'm not sure I understand; both sentences/quotes look the same to me. If there's a difference between them, I haven't spotted it yet. As for the talk about the Tic-Toc getting prematurely killed, or Annie originally dying in the fall from the bridge, or things like that, I don't think we're going to see that. The way they're handling the Tic-Toc's time traveling suggests that it's a "time travelers don't change the past because they were already there" scenario; that is, all the appearances of the Tic-Toc in the past are fulfilling its earlier appearances, all the way back to Chapter One. Having actual changes in the past would contradict that. My mistake. I meant for the second sentence to be a direct quote from the comics only it was "mine" instead of "our". I don't believe it's an error, but if it is it's surely Fannie's. There was only one Annie when this started, and in her memory, she was the one who did it. She's not denying that Courtnnie was split from her, but she is emphasizing that the act was hers alone. It seems the usual pronouns are just not adequate for describing the situation Annie is in, just like verb tenses become confused by time travel. |
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Post by King Mir on Sept 12, 2020 1:21:35 GMT
I'm going to guess that because there is only one Tic-Toc, it cannot save Annie. But the Tic-Toc survives so Kat is able to try again. Trying again causes the bird to fly to random points in time, so many robots see the bird. Ultimately, a flock of birds save Annie.
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Post by todd on Sept 12, 2020 13:09:38 GMT
I'm going to guess that because there is only one Tic-Toc, it cannot save Annie. But the Tic-Toc survives so Kat is able to try again. Trying again causes the bird to fly to random points in time, so many robots see the bird. Ultimately, a flock of birds save Annie. More likely, judging from how the webcomic's been treating time travel, because they see a flock of Tic-Tocs coming to Annie's rescue, and Kat knows she only made one, she recognizes that it needs to keep returning to that spot many times, to produce the flock. |
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Post by pyradonis on Sept 12, 2020 16:51:45 GMT
Tom: not even bothering to try and explain how the Tic-Toc is controlled. Just "oh, now we are here!" Huh? Now what makes you think that? Because apparently Kat will anchor the Toc in there and the next appearance will be the trials of the ravine up to its final demise. And I doubt Kat will have the mind to go anywhen else while Annie is dying over and over. Unless the Norns intervene with some "actually, you need to do something else before this" kinda deal This can obviously not be all that will happen; at the very least Kat also needs to get five additional Tic-Tocs to the correct point in time.
Seems like its still missing more travels. Even while if the bird is anchored to the bridge and will travel to the time Annie fell, that still leaves the other (many, apparently) times other robots and court people saw it. Wasn't it supposed to have been around since before the court or something? That'd mean they have to go back to random spots BEFORE Jeanne cuts it and Ysengrin captures the remains. I don't think was ever confirmed that it was Jeanne who destroyed it. For all we know it could have been Zimmy during one of its flybys. And what's astonishing me is that maybe this whole "mythical ornithonic" thing was all Robot's proselytizing and making a big deal out of his own experiences. But maybe I'm wrong and we will have a little bit more than 6 loops to go is what it looks like when Jeanne destroys a machine. Also, the dead Tic-Toc lay on the wrong side of the Annan waters for it to have been destroyed by Jeanne - she only crossed the waters later, after Annie had met the fairies.
Generally, only because all other Tic-Toc appeareances shown to the readers have been accounted for does not mean there were no more. We only learned about Anja's encounter with it last chapter. Kat has her whole life left to send the Tic-Toc to different places. I sincerely doubt S13 would invent a story about some random bird he saw once to be "older than the Court and sent by a divine being", at least not without knowing that it was robotic and who built the thing. I also doubt that story would at this point in time have caught on in robot society to the point of the mythical ornithonic being depicted on the robot king's banners. Remember at the same time the robot king visited Kat to verify this story of a tomb himself for the first time.
Finally, do you really think Annies would miss the opportunity to have a look into the past? I imagine Kat being totally exhausted after finally having managed to save Annie in the past, and Annies going:
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Post by netherdan on Sept 12, 2020 16:56:29 GMT
I'm going to guess that because there is only one Tic-Toc, it cannot save Annie. But the Tic-Toc survives so Kat is able to try again. Trying again causes the bird to fly to random points in time, so many robots see the bird. Ultimately, a flock of birds save Annie. That's a nice workaround! Assuming Kat cannot control when the bird will pop up solves not only the robot sightings but also why she had to visit the Norns more than once per timeline. If the birds pop up randomly it is plausible that after a first failure Kat would set up a "physical" anchor to the event (I'll call it a beeeee!acon  ) now that she know the exact time the birds will be needed, then she would keep jumping in time until she's anywhere from a few minutes to a few weeks before the event, and from then she would have to hide the bird somewhere around the bridge in the past and physically wait it out in the present until the beacon is set off (assuming there's no fast-forward function in Skuld's modified controller). So the "saving Annie" quest line can take months to be completed, all that including the possibility that present Annies would cease to exist until Kat succeeds! PS: that would possibly give us a lot of Brinnie time, since it would be more convenient that she stuck around the Court instead of putting a dent in Anja's table every time they need a visit PPS: oh, pyradonis posted right before me. Well, check out this new improved theory based on King Mir's comment |
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Post by antiyonder on Sept 12, 2020 20:59:31 GMT
My mistake. I meant for the second sentence to be a direct quote from the comics only it was "mine" instead of "our". I don't believe it's an error, but if it is it's surely Fannie's. There was only one Annie when this started, and in her memory, she was the one who did it. She's not denying that Courtnnie was split from her, but she is emphasizing that the act was hers alone. It seems the usual pronouns are just not adequate for describing the situation Annie is in, just like verb tenses become confused by time travel. Mostly kidding (hence the smile in my first post), but if both these Annies (since they are time shift rather than copies) have a mostly similar past, they both kind of did it:-). |
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Post by gunnerscrag on Sept 12, 2020 21:16:22 GMT
I think I might have a new theory (or maybe someone else said it before, haven't been in the forums much lately), but if the Seed Bismuth grew, and the dead bird in the river was spreading itself
What if they travel back in time to see what was the seed, only for it to be the bird itself? Like the whole Court being Kat's bird that just... grew
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Post by warrl on Sept 12, 2020 21:26:54 GMT
Mostly kidding (hence the smile in my first post), but if both these Annies (since they are time shift rather than copies) have a mostly similar past, they both kind of did it:-). It's true that they both did it, but it's also true that they each did it without the other. As suggested, standard pronouns don't fit well to the Annies' current situation. |
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Post by antiyonder on Sept 12, 2020 21:52:18 GMT
Mostly kidding (hence the smile in my first post), but if both these Annies (since they are time shift rather than copies) have a mostly similar past, they both kind of did it:-). It's true that they both did it, but it's also true that they each did it without the other. As suggested, standard pronouns don't fit well to the Annies' current situation. Incidentally while I'm not sure if my joke/nitpick counts in that area, would it be accurate to suggest that neither Annies think 4th dimensionally then? |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Sept 13, 2020 4:47:49 GMT
Mostly kidding (hence the smile in my first post), but if both these Annies (since they are time shift rather than copies) have a mostly similar past, they both kind of did it:-). It's true that they both did it, but it's also true that they each did it without the other. As suggested, standard pronouns don't fit well to the Annies' current situation. Well, as we know from a rather popular guide book, the primary threat of time travel isn't the grandfather paradox or changing history, it is in fact grammar.Most people simply can't get past Future Semi-Conditionally Modified Subinverted Plagal Past Subjunctive Intentional before giving up, and that's a shame. |
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) now that she know the exact time the birds will be needed, then she would keep jumping in time until she's anywhere from a few minutes to a few weeks before the event, and from then she would have to hide the bird somewhere around the bridge in the past and physically wait it out in the present until the beacon is set off (assuming there's no fast-forward function in Skuld's modified controller). So the "saving Annie" quest line can take months to be completed, all that including the possibility that present Annies would cease to exist until Kat succeeds!