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Post by DonDueed on Jul 22, 2020 15:37:29 GMT
Funny. Up to now I'd always pronounced Kat's mom's name as "AHN-yah". But the nickname "Anji" suggests it should be "AHN-jah".
Anybody else in this boat?
Also... Valkyies can fly? Or levitate? Could she do that before, as a student, or is it an effect of the summoning doodad?
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Post by blazingstar on Jul 22, 2020 16:47:57 GMT
Funny. Up to now I'd always pronounced Kat's mom's name as "AHN-yah". But the nickname "Anji" suggests it should be "AHN-jah". Anybody else in this boat? I came here to ask this. If her mom's name is pronounced "AHN-yah", then "Anji" would sound like "AHN-nee", which sounds way too much like "Annie". This is just as bad when I found out how "Hermione" was supposed to be pronounced after only reading the books.
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 22, 2020 17:08:18 GMT
The causally tossed spear and buckler probably land perfectly in the corner of the room, as if gently placed there.... If it does land, Brinnie is still floating around for some reason, there's no reason for her tools not to do the same. If they don't just go back to storage when she dismisses them. At first, I thought the bright background would go away, like a momentary lens flare after her arrival. Now, it does seem like their room has been altered, or their in a Valkyrie waiting room. When Anja says Hi, Brinnie!, you can see roof beams(Viking Longhouse?), that don't belong to the room they were in.
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Post by Kuraimizu on Jul 22, 2020 17:46:22 GMT
Comic - heill dagr, heiilir dags synir, heil nótt ok nipt - Old Norse Google - whole day, whole day sons, whole night and nipt - Icelandic Digging - [Whole, Complete, Healthy, Heil, Hail[expressing greeting or acclaim]][Dagr Norse God of Day][Nótt Norse Goddess of Night]Daughters - Translation Hail Dagr, Hail Dagr's Sons, Hail Nótt and Daughters! ----------------------- Brinnie and Anja, such close friends, I'd guess if Brinnie still lived at the court that she'd be considered as Katerina's Aunt or Godmother
Must be nice to have a literal Valkyrie as your Aunt or Godmother. Katerina's life has just gotten more complicated.
Wonder how Brinnie will react to Annie, she probably already knows Surma is likely dead by now, and will guess the Annies are the twin daughters of Surma.
But how will she react to being introduced to Antimony the Daughter of Surma and her Time-travel Twin/clone who is also Antimony.
-------------- I don't think the Comic has revealed any any nickname the other characters have used to differentiate the Annies in conversation. I know the forums use Courtnnie and Frannie. And I know Antimony, Annie, Her, and Other Annie have been used, but those are normal for the situation. I wonder what Name and Nicknames Anja will use to introduce both Annies to Brinnie.
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Post by saardvark on Jul 22, 2020 18:12:53 GMT
makes me question her power level as Loup just saw her as a bright light, Zimmy is walking ether and see's her true form, Coyote has never met her and Paz saw her from a ether explosion, Annie only saw her form due to the device Alternatively, perhaps Brinnie has the same ability as Kat, to see the "simplified" forms of people, places, and creatures without being blinded by all the smoke and mirrors?hmmm, is there some mythological foundation for something like this? Can valkyries always see "the truth"? (e.g., Loki can never pull a fast one on them?)
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Post by mturtle7 on Jul 22, 2020 18:57:31 GMT
I don't think Kat's expression has stopped being surprised for the past 5 pages or so. This really has been quite a day for her, huh.
And speaking of expressions, I literally can't stop laughing at that last panel! Poor Kat! How does one even DEAL with your mom's hot middle-aged Valkyrie friend spontaneously hugging you and calling you beautiful?!
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Post by novia on Jul 22, 2020 21:42:04 GMT
Just because she can fly, doesn't mean she's a bird. If she materializes valkyrie wings Paz is doomed! She did come in with some wings, sorta. This is shaping up to be Chang'e all over again
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Post by novia on Jul 22, 2020 21:52:14 GMT
Funny. Up to now I'd always pronounced Kat's mom's name as "AHN-yah". But the nickname "Anji" suggests it should be "AHN-jah". Anybody else in this boat? I came here to ask this. If her mom's name is pronounced "AHN-yah", then "Anji" would sound like "AHN-nee", which sounds way too much like "Annie". This is just as bad when I found out how "Hermione" was supposed to be pronounced after only reading the books. It gets worse.
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Post by blahzor on Jul 22, 2020 23:06:49 GMT
Funny. Up to now I'd always pronounced Kat's mom's name as "AHN-yah". But the nickname "Anji" suggests it should be "AHN-jah". Anybody else in this boat? Also... Valkyies can fly? Or levitate? Could she do that before, as a student, or is it an effect of the summoning doodad? i think they are in a pocket dimension in which she can fly, she's not even attempted to touch the ground b/c she knows she doesn't have to
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Post by shadow3 on Jul 22, 2020 23:15:00 GMT
Donnie demonstrated an expertise with etheric force shields when Ysengrin first attacked Annie - it wouldn't be surprising if the buckler he designed could form a big shield as well. I think the "expertise" comes from Anja's computer though.It could be like the difference between a desktop and a laptop. The shield could be a portable version for the buckler.
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Post by Runningflame on Jul 22, 2020 23:30:56 GMT
Funny. Up to now I'd always pronounced Kat's mom's name as "AHN-yah". But the nickname "Anji" suggests it should be "AHN-jah". Anybody else in this boat? Tom pronounces it ANN-yah. I would guess Brinnie's nickname sounds something like ANN-yee or AHN-yee.
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Post by warrl on Jul 23, 2020 2:39:37 GMT
Time travel can wait -- almost by definition. What do we want? TIME MACHINES! When do we want them? DOESN'T MATTER!
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Post by wies on Jul 23, 2020 5:09:54 GMT
I was excited about Brinnie, because we finally got something from other gods than just coyote who is't also a psychopomp. Then I realized 'Valkyrie' means 'chooser of the fallen'. She is a psychopomp. Kat will suddenly ask Paz to dress as a Valk for Halloween Heh, 'Valk' is 'Falcon' in my language. So now I have the image of Paz dressing up like the bird to make Kat happy.
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 23, 2020 6:00:39 GMT
... and clearly Brin does NOT see Kat in Robo-goddess form... it would be rather hard to know how to hug *that*! Unless that's exactly why Brinnie's saying "Beautiful!"
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 23, 2020 6:08:31 GMT
I came here to ask this. If her mom's name is pronounced "AHN-yah", then "Anji" would sound like "AHN-nee", which sounds way too much like "Annie". This is just as bad when I found out how "Hermione" was supposed to be pronounced after only reading the books. It gets worse.In my headcanon, Surma named her daughter Antimony because of her grandmother Antimony, because it has some letters and phonetic pieces of Anthony in it, and because of her best friend Anja, whom she used to call Anny. And I just realized something: my mom and dad moved far away from both of their families just before I was born, and my mom passed away when I was young (6 years old, in my case). But my name isn't Annie, I didn't grow up in a hospital, and my dad didn't send me to a boarding school and disappear. Also, I was adopted.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 23, 2020 8:19:57 GMT
makes me question her power level as Loup just saw her as a bright light, Zimmy is walking ether and see's her true form, Coyote has never met her and Paz saw her from a ether explosion, Annie only saw her form due to the device Alternatively, perhaps Brinnie has the same ability as Kat, to see the "simplified" forms of people, places, and creatures without being blinded by all the smoke and mirrors?Not everything Etheric is hidden behind "smoke and mirrors". Remember Kat saw the psychopomps Ketrak and Ankou just like Annie did, and was freaked out.
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Post by Eily on Jul 23, 2020 8:20:28 GMT
Funny. Up to now I'd always pronounced Kat's mom's name as "AHN-yah". But the nickname "Anji" suggests it should be "AHN-jah". Anybody else in this boat? Also... Valkyies can fly? Or levitate? Could she do that before, as a student, or is it an effect of the summoning doodad? i think they are in a pocket dimension in which she can fly, she's not even attempted to touch the ground b/c she knows she doesn't have to I thought this was an argument on the pronunciation. So I was expecting the sentence to go "I think they are in a pocket dimension in which she can fly, so maybe pronunciation gets warped as well". I was so ready to accept that statement, like "if she can bend space and time, of course names are going to sound different"
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 23, 2020 8:27:03 GMT
I was excited about Brinnie, because we finally got something from other gods than just coyote who is't also a psychopomp. Then I realized 'Valkyrie' means 'chooser of the fallen'. She is a psychopomp.
I don't think the Comic has revealed any any nickname the other characters have used to differentiate the Annies in conversation. I know the forums use Courtnnie and Frannie. And I know Antimony, Annie, Her, and Other Annie have been used, but those are normal for the situation. I wonder what Name and Nicknames Anja will use to introduce both Annies to Brinnie. Tom called them Annie C. and Annie F. on Twitter. But I doubt Anja will use these names. She'll probably just say they are both Antimony.
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Post by wies on Jul 23, 2020 13:43:18 GMT
I was excited about Brinnie, because we finally got something from other gods than just coyote who is't also a psychopomp. Then I realized 'Valkyrie' means 'chooser of the fallen'. She is a psychopomp. Oh! Wonder what Valkyries do then.
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Post by netherdan on Jul 23, 2020 13:51:55 GMT
Oh! Wonder what Valkyries do then. Valkyries don't take the souls into the ether, they take them into some sort of afterlife pub where they drink and brawl until the end of times. PS: thanks TBeholder for reducing the noble Einherjar to some drunkards fist fighting in a bar. I mean, in the end that's what they are, really
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 23, 2020 14:40:52 GMT
because wies commented before me and quoting them made more sense than Doni's I had to think a while about who this Donis guy you referred to might be.
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Post by wies on Jul 23, 2020 16:33:26 GMT
Yeah, hence my puzzlement. Because as is stated in the comic you linked psychopomps may also guide souls to an afterlife before the etherical dissolution. Valhalla fits with that, so I am curious to what the difference between Valkyries and psychopomps is.
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Post by netherdan on Jul 23, 2020 19:33:04 GMT
Yeah, hence my puzzlement. Because as is stated in the comic you linked psychopomps may also guide souls to an afterlife before the etherical dissolution. Valhalla fits with that, so I am curious to what the difference between Valkyries and psychopomps is. It doesn't state specifically that the pomps guide them to these afterlives. The RotD is one of those and they just lay claim over a pomp assigned soul under the assumption of an unfair death so that these souls are given a second chance to leave a mark in this world (and also keep alive the belief in the supernatural). Another kind of afterlife is the fire elemental soul transfer (to me that's as cool as the Avatar cycle and Tony proved that the ancestor souls are still in there, so maybe someday we'll get to see Annie tap into her "Avatar state" to take some well deserved mom advice). Valhala might as well work in a similar way, with Hel (or her minions) being the actual psychopomp of the people with Nordic ancestry and the Valkyries claiming heroic warriors to party! Anyway, what I'm saying is that as far as I can tell the psychopomps only guide them to the ether
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 23, 2020 22:18:56 GMT
My best guess is that when people in Hel's sphere of responsibility die, Helhest (or another servant of Hel) takes the dead down a steep dark slope either directly into the ether and out of the story or, if something about their case is special or problematic, to the RotD in the form of the Halls of Hel or a mansion of Hel where their deeds (lives, cases) are discussed and any final message is formally recorded by Helhast (or other 'pomp). Some people may get party hats. Other people may get condemnation but it's more about ironing out any administrative difficulties that the RotD has. Hel herself probably makes any necessary decisions or authorizes any needed actions before the dead go into the ether from there. [edit] I should add that the dead are probably allowed to stay there while their cases are being resolved, and if there are un-resolvable cases they could stay there indefinitely. Hel's servants seem to vary in quality so service may vary tremendously; the worthy probably get better rooms and meal service while the unworthy and those who are making the process unnecessarily difficult probably wish they could upgrade to a Motel Six.[/edit]
That would leave the Valkyries a few RotD-adjacent roles as bailiffs in Hel's Hall, honor-guards for particularly important or worthy dead, and agents relaying messages or carrying out Hel's (or other gods') will. They'd probably also do whatever else needs doing, like sheriffs for Hel's court, which in some cases would bring them into contact with the living.
[edit]Valhalla should be in the ether.[/edit]
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 24, 2020 1:00:24 GMT
Brinnie and Anja, such close friends, I'd guess if Brinnie still lived at the court that she'd be considered as Katerina's Aunt or Godmother Must be nice to have a literal Valkyrie as your Aunt or Godmother. Katerina's life has just gotten more complicated. One of guestbook commenters went even further with "complicated":
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Post by Runningflame on Jul 24, 2020 2:06:37 GMT
because wies commented before me and quoting them made more sense than Doni's I had to think a while about who this Donis guy you referred to might be. Hm. I'm suddenly wondering: If you were to laugh uncontrollably, would that make you... ... pyrAdonis in Stitches?
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Post by wies on Jul 24, 2020 4:58:13 GMT
Yeah, hence my puzzlement. Because as is stated in the comic you linked psychopomps may also guide souls to an afterlife before the etherical dissolution. Valhalla fits with that, so I am curious to what the difference between Valkyries and psychopomps is. It doesn't state specifically that the pomps guide them to these afterlives. That is true. I made that jump, but the page could be read either way. It still stays remarkable that Brinnie is the latest in a row of deities/supernatural beings that deals with or is related to death: Muut, Ketrak, Ankou and all other psychopomps, Mort, the faeries who had to go through a suïcide of sorts to acquire their new bodies, Jeanne, Coyote, Kat (as coyote explicitly says (the gods' powers are powered by the beliefs of the dead who dissolve in the ether this counts for Kat too as she is becoming a deity) and Annie herself too who if not for Kat's intervention would be dead now and also seems destined to die when she has a child. It made me realize how much of the comic is focused on death. Wonder if a wish to avoid death is tied in the court's reason to become god? Would be a neat contrast with Coyote's wish to experience that.
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Post by netherdan on Jul 24, 2020 14:18:52 GMT
That would leave the Valkyries a few RotD-adjacent roles as bailiffs in Hel's Hall, honor-guards for particularly important or worthy dead, and agents relaying messages or carrying out Hel's (or other gods') will. They'd probably also do whatever else needs doing, like sheriffs for Hel's court, which in some cases would bring them into contact with the living. [edit]Valhalla should be in the ether.[/edit] I wouldn't expect this much courtesy between Hel and the Valkyries, since they're supposed to fight each other at the final battle. In fact I expect the same sort of rivalry the RotD has with the psychopomps, because the Valkyries are claiming what Hel might see as her rightful "property". And in my head Valhala lies in another dimension and is powered by etheric tricks similar to the RotD, but I only want it to be like that so that when Kat visits it she would see just some people drinking in a bar while the rest see the pretty landscapes and such (sorry Kat!)
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 24, 2020 15:20:22 GMT
That would leave the Valkyries a few RotD-adjacent roles as bailiffs in Hel's Hall, honor-guards for particularly important or worthy dead, and agents relaying messages or carrying out Hel's (or other gods') will. They'd probably also do whatever else needs doing, like sheriffs for Hel's court, which in some cases would bring them into contact with the living. [edit]Valhalla should be in the ether.[/edit] I wouldn't expect this much courtesy between Hel and the Valkyries, since they're supposed to fight each other at the final battle. In fact I expect the same sort of rivalry the RotD has with the psychopomps, because the Valkyries are claiming what Hel might see as her rightful "property". And in my head Valhala lies in another dimension and is powered by etheric tricks similar to the RotD, but I only want it to be like that so that when Kat visits it she would see just some people drinking in a bar while the rest see the pretty landscapes and such (sorry Kat!) "Another dimension" would be in the ether, generally speaking from the perspective of the Gunnerverse since it isn't exactly anywhere. (shrug) I do take your point about the Valkyries and greater Hel but the rivalry may not exist in the Gunnerverse in the same way as it does in mythology. I think my conjecture leaves plenty of space for conflict between servants of Hel and the Valkries as both go about their duties. Consider: If there is some sort of Ragnarok (or Armageddon, etc.) what would it look like in this fictional universe where the errors of the mind of mankind is the essence of the food of gods? Are the traditional prophesies even possible? Why aren't they just as capable of retroactive application as the competing creation stories? The etheric beings we've seen in the comic are capable of personal growth and transforming their roles. If humans were, for example, on the edge of extinction because of nuclear war, plague, meteor strike, alien invasion, wouldn't the majority of etheric beings, even monsters, act to protect the species out of rational self-interest? Even if humans had become extinct, would not the members of the same pantheon/construct have a motive to unify against the others, to war against the competing and conflicting interests for control of the ether regarding what happens after?
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 25, 2020 2:22:30 GMT
Oh! Wonder what Valkyries do then. Valkyries don't take the souls into the ether, they take them into some sort of afterlife pub where they drink and brawl until the end of times. PS: thanks TBeholder for reducing the noble Einherjar to some drunkards fist fighting in a bar. I mean, in the end that's what they are, really See, if these dudes are supposed to feast for half of forever, and then be ready for fighting, they need some exercise. I swear some webcomic had a page about exactly this. :]
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