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Post by philman on Jul 10, 2020 7:04:19 GMT
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Post by madjack on Jul 10, 2020 7:07:02 GMT
Oh. They're going to have to make a deal with Loup, aren't they?
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Post by aline on Jul 10, 2020 7:08:28 GMT
And that's why Anja was the right person to go to. She's able to think about this from both the scientific and the etheric angle, unlike 99% of the court.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 10, 2020 7:08:33 GMT
To Be Honest, I think most people who haven't had training with a metronome or music instrument think of time as a variable. Or a fluid. Or possibly a rhetorical device.
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Post by Noximilian on Jul 10, 2020 7:18:02 GMT
Well, if it isn't possible scientifically, then it is time to activate Machine Goddes Mode, I guess... If Kat, the Scientist can't send it back, Kat, the Goddes sure can!
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Post by arf on Jul 10, 2020 7:19:56 GMT
It's amusing to see Kat being bamboozled, for once.
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Post by madjack on Jul 10, 2020 7:25:55 GMT
It's amusing to see Kat being bamboozled, for once. Panel 2 Annie agrees with you. |
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Post by stclair on Jul 10, 2020 7:32:25 GMT
To Be Honest, I think most people who haven't had training with a metronome or music instrument think of time as a variable. Or a fluid. Or possibly a rhetorical device. Or a big ball of... |
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Post by wies on Jul 10, 2020 7:37:33 GMT
And here comes the rub. Kat has repeatedly showed she doesn't like the vague workings of the Ether. Heck, her own mind strips the Ether even a bit of its magic in order to comprehend!
It is something she keeps getting up against, and it could be a hindrance to her advancing in (etherical) science. Hopefully Anja can help her out with that.
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Post by antiyonder on Jul 10, 2020 7:40:10 GMT
Today's page really disappoints me.
I'd think a more appropriate note on the bottom following Kat's comment would be "No buts, no cuts, no coconuts".
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Post by csj on Jul 10, 2020 8:51:01 GMT
not very difficult, but some methods are probably easier than others; 'we aren't all omnipotent etherial beings, mum' getting good mileage out of this post already kat's antigravity and robostuff plus her parents' technomancy gonna be lit |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 10, 2020 10:19:15 GMT
And here comes the rub. Kat has repeatedly showed she doesn't like the vague workings of the Ether. Heck, her own mind strips the Ether even a bit of its magic in order to comprehend! It is something she keeps getting up against, and it could be a hindrance to her advancing in (etherical) science. Hopefully Anja can help her out with that. OR it is precisely that which will enable her to unravel the Etheric energies and put them to work, just like when she freed Jeanne's boyfriend's soul.
BTW, I am convinced Diego had the same order-vision like Kat, which enabled him to create all his wonders in the first place.
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Post by blahzor on Jul 10, 2020 11:14:41 GMT
When will Annie bring up how Kat looks in the ether in this chapter?
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Post by Jota on Jul 10, 2020 12:08:33 GMT
And here comes the rub. Kat has repeatedly showed she doesn't like the vague workings of the Ether. Heck, her own mind strips the Ether even a bit of its magic in order to comprehend! It is something she keeps getting up against, and it could be a hindrance to her advancing in (etherical) science. Hopefully Anja can help her out with that. OR it is precisely that which will enable her to unravel the Etheric energies and put them to work, just like when she freed Jeanne's boyfriend's soul. You think that maybe Annie will pull her into the Ether, and time itself will just be this old mechanical alarm clock that she just has to turn the knobs on? |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jul 10, 2020 12:19:27 GMT
OR it is precisely that which will enable her to unravel the Etheric energies and put them to work, just like when she freed Jeanne's boyfriend's soul. You think that maybe Annie will pull her into the Ether, and time itself will just be this old mechanical alarm clock that she just has to turn the knobs on? Given what we've seen from Tom, it may be more like setting the time on an old VCR. |
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Post by blahzor on Jul 10, 2020 12:29:49 GMT
You think that maybe Annie will pull her into the Ether, and time itself will just be this old mechanical alarm clock that she just has to turn the knobs on? Given what we've seen from Tom, it may be more like setting the time on an old VCR. Temporal Affairs is just a Google Home |
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Post by Ahakarin on Jul 10, 2020 13:31:48 GMT
There are more things in heaven and Earth, Miss Donlan, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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Post by netherdan on Jul 10, 2020 13:53:18 GMT
Looks like Kat's gonna need just enough etheric technology to allow it to work. I wonder if that would involve manipulation of belief, imagine Anja in the next page being like: "look, the robots belief that you're their creator is already allowing you to understand and do a lot of stuff that's normally impossible with technology alone" "do you really think that matter transference is practical using only the scientific approach?" "you just need to say out loud 'oh hey I can make this bird time-travel and stuff' in front of them and let them do the rest, dear" PS: now I wonder how Anja infused her computer with etherical technology before robot belief was a thing. Did she visit dying folks at hospitals to tell them stories about her magical computer? Or do the "can something exist before it's created" apply here and she just need to convince random people about it and when they die in the future they will retcon it into her computer? PPS: I just realized, robot belief isn't a thing that's directly connected to the ether instead of tied to their deaths like the way humans shape the ether, it's just that Kat made them mortal and their beliefs are being retconned into their past (Kat's present) |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 10, 2020 15:14:04 GMT
OR it is precisely that which will enable her to unravel the Etheric energies and put them to work, just like when she freed Jeanne's boyfriend's soul.
BTW, I am convinced Diego had the same order-vision like Kat, which enabled him to create all his wonders in the first place.
exactly. to both comments. |
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Post by worldsong on Jul 10, 2020 16:32:36 GMT
Sorry Kat, eventually you'll have to accept that this world contains more than can be explained with science.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 10, 2020 16:47:32 GMT
OR it is precisely that which will enable her to unravel the Etheric energies and put them to work, just like when she freed Jeanne's boyfriend's soul. You think that maybe Annie will pull her into the Ether, and time itself will just be this old mechanical alarm clock that she just has to turn the knobs on? Something like that, yes. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jul 10, 2020 18:52:38 GMT
To Be Honest, I think most people who haven't had training with a metronome or music instrument think of time as a variable. Or a fluid. Or possibly a rhetorical device. I've dealt with my fair share of horrid clicking metro gnomes, but I know that time is relative. However, I imagine that it would be nice to have a way to tell the time circuits that you wanted to go to 1966, not 1066. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Jul 10, 2020 19:46:41 GMT
PS: now I wonder how Anja infused her computer with etherical technology before robot belief was a thing. Did she visit dying folks at hospitals to tell them stories about her magical computer? Or do the "can something exist before it's created" apply here and she just need to convince random people about it and when they die in the future they will retcon it into her computer? NO. STOP IT. STOP THIS NONSENSE RIGHT NOW. Not all etheric technology works purely via belief!!! I've so often been frustrated by people making a bigger deal out of Coyote's Big Secret than it really is and now that Kat's divinity is taking center stage in the actual comic it's all getting so much worse!
I've said it before and I'll say it again: not EVERYTHING that's magic in GC is directly being imagined by humans, even dead ones! Ysengrim in GC is extremely different from his folktale counterpart! The Ashray Annie fought only just barely has an actual basis in folklore, and even then it's a really obscure one! And if anyone thought that the tale of ZIMMY is a really popular piece of mythology that lots of people know about & imagine, I would be somewhat concerned for their sanity!
Anja's case in particular is actually a very good example of how belief isn't all that important when working with magic in GC! Basically, she's a witch, who can cast magic spells. Lots of people at various points in the past have believed in witches who cast magic spells, so by Coyote's logic it makes sense that they would exist. However, the exact details of how her spells work, what they do, and where they come from...those don't have to be based on any popular belief! Just like weird fairy rules, or Mort's special illusion powers, they probably arose organically from the original situation they existed in, maybe with the help of conscious decisions & contributions of other magical beings. In Anja's case, I'm guessing that she comes from a long family line of natural-born magicians, so it's not like her powers even started with her. Ever since she was a kid, she's just had spells she could cast and things she could do, which aren't well understood by science but well enough understood by her that she can she can use them...maybe even find new uses for them.
When she said that she made her magical computer with " just enough etheric technology to allow it to work", I've always figured that meant she just used already existing magic (witchcraft, rituals, etc.) in creative new ways such that it could assist the functioning of Court technology. What you're imagining would basically be a particularly excruciating and risky version of reinventing the wheel, not something that any engineer would consider as a viable option! |
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 10, 2020 20:59:59 GMT
PPS: I just realized, robot belief isn't a thing that's directly connected to the ether instead of tied to their deaths like the way humans shape the ether, it's just that Kat made them mortal and their beliefs are being retconned into their past (Kat's present) I suspect it's tied to the androids' (evolved robots') deaths too ... in the future. What I mean is that someday, some of them will die and be taken into the Ether, and their beliefs about the past will shape the Ether in the past. Exactly when they die isn't important (to this effect, in my theory). And so the robot angel will have come into being (I'm not sure the right verb tense for this concept exists). |
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Post by netherdan on Jul 10, 2020 22:12:02 GMT
PS: now I wonder how Anja infused her computer with etherical technology before robot belief was a thing. Did she visit dying folks at hospitals to tell them stories about her magical computer? Or do the "can something exist before it's created" apply here and she just need to convince random people about it and when they die in the future they will retcon it into her computer? NO. STOP IT. STOP THIS NONSENSE RIGHT NOW. Not all etheric technology works purely via belief!!! I've so often been frustrated by people making a bigger deal out of Coyote's Big Secret than it really is and now that Kat's divinity is taking center stage in the actual comic it's all getting so much worse! Ye, I get the point. I thought it was silly too but it had already been written so I couldn't not post it!  And yes, Kat's divinity might end up being tied to future android deaths but not all the intricacies of what she is capable to do with said divinity need to be constrained by their belief. But to be completely honest with all possible aspects of this topic, I have to point out that Arthur (the first android) had seen her making the first Tic-Toc and has valid reasons to believe the Angel sent them to the Court's past (but only IF he knows that she made it from scratch, for he could just assume she was only copying the design) |
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Post by blazingstar on Jul 11, 2020 4:50:24 GMT
To Be Honest, I think most people who haven't had training with a metronome or music instrument think of time as a variable. Or a fluid. Or possibly a rhetorical device. I disagree. Musicians need metronomes BECAUSE all humans think of time as fluid. Take away the metronome, or the drummer, or the conductor, and everyone immediately speeds up at their own pace. Even the most seasoned of professionals need something to keep time. Because time isn't a fluid variable...but our PERCEPTION of it is. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jul 11, 2020 7:16:41 GMT
There are more things in heaven and Earth, Miss Donlan, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. "...I'm becoming aware that I'm staring. I'm like a rabbit, stuck in the headlights of vacuous crap Maybe it's the Hamlet she just quothed, Or the fifth glass of wine I just quaffed, But my diplomacy dike groans And the asshole held back by its stones Can be held back no more..." Sorry, I can't help but think of Storm whenever I hear that quote now |
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Post by Corvo on Jul 11, 2020 17:34:33 GMT
PS: now I wonder how Anja infused her computer with etherical technology before robot belief was a thing. Did she visit dying folks at hospitals to tell them stories about her magical computer? Or do the "can something exist before it's created" apply here and she just need to convince random people about it and when they die in the future they will retcon it into her computer? NO. STOP IT. STOP THIS NONSENSE RIGHT NOW. Not all etheric technology works purely via belief!!! I've so often been frustrated by people making a bigger deal out of Coyote's Big Secret than it really is and now that Kat's divinity is taking center stage in the actual comic it's all getting so much worse! Ye, I get the point. I thought it was silly too but it had already been written so I couldn't not post it! And yes, Kat's divinity might end up being tied to future android deaths but not all the intricacies of what she is capable to do with said divinity need to be constrained by their belief. But to be completely honest with all possible aspects of this topic, I have to point out that Arthur (the first android) had seen her making the first Tic-Toc and has valid reasons to believe the Angel sent them to the Court's past (but only IF he knows that she made it from scratch, for he could just assume she was only copying the design)  |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 11, 2020 18:24:00 GMT
To Be Honest, I think most people who haven't had training with a metronome or music instrument think of time as a variable. Or a fluid. Or possibly a rhetorical device. I disagree. Musicians need metronomes BECAUSE all humans think of time as fluid. Take away the metronome, or the drummer, or the conductor, and everyone immediately speeds up at their own pace. Even the most seasoned of professionals need something to keep time. Because time isn't a fluid variable...but our PERCEPTION of it is. Okay, two replies to that: In Real Life there are some very few people who are gifted with the ability to correctly estimate time. They can keep a beat or stay in step even if everyone around them loses it, or do other time-oriented tasks despite distractions and false time cues, all things held equal (no, they couldn't do it if people were randomly blaring air-horns in their ears or tazing them or anything else ridiculous). Some of those people aren't musically-inclined and don't know they have this gift until/unless something happens that makes it clear they perceive time differently than most people do. I've met one of those people; he could tell me to the second what my watch would say without looking at a clock or any other aid. In the Gunnerverse there may be no such thing as objective reality. I suspect there is a continuum between matter and ether, or at least that's a good way to look at the comic, but the subjective seems to be real in some sense. That would include the perception of time. "Errors" of the mind appear to be one of the causes of magic or supernatural (for lack of a better word) powers and time is something that most humans (possibly all humans in the Gunnerverse) consider fluid. That may be what makes time travel "easy." |
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Post by blahzor on Jul 11, 2020 19:04:19 GMT
Looks like Kat's gonna need just enough etheric technology to allow it to work. Do your memories/belief exist when they happened before you were alive I wonder if that would involve manipulation of belief, imagine Anja in the next page being like: "look, the robots belief that you're their creator is already allowing you to understand and do a lot of stuff that's normally impossible with technology alone" "do you really think that matter transference is practical using only the scientific approach?" "you just need to say out loud 'oh hey I can make this bird time-travel and stuff' in front of them and let them do the rest, dear" PS: now I wonder how Anja infused her computer with etherical technology before robot belief was a thing. Did she visit dying folks at hospitals to tell them stories about her magical computer? Or do the "can something exist before it's created" apply here and she just need to convince random people about it and when they die in the future they will retcon it into her computer? PPS: I just realized, robot belief isn't a thing that's directly connected to the ether instead of tied to their deaths like the way humans shape the ether, it's just that Kat made them mortal and their beliefs are being retconned into their past (Kat's present) |
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