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Post by IvDead on Jul 8, 2020 12:23:23 GMT
I'm guessing there are either very strict limitations or Anja has been keeping this a secret; because I sure know someone who would have been willing to give time travel a try if he had known. Well, there's a department there that regulates this kind of thing. And just because they are not easy to reach, doesn't mean that they've difficulty reaching those who break their regulations. |
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Post by blackouthart on Jul 8, 2020 12:36:48 GMT
In a surprise twist, Anja reveals that she was also nearly a god, but got tired of it when she had kids. (This is hypothetical.) This brings on a host of questions, though: if time travel was very possible for her, why didn’t she save Surma?
I feel like I’m not as on the ball as the rest of you folks, so I’m not even going to attempt all the timey wimey discussion.
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Post by Eily on Jul 8, 2020 12:38:08 GMT
I'm guessing there are either very strict limitations or Anja has been keeping this a secret; because I sure know someone who would have been willing to give time travel a try if he had known. Well, there's a department there that regulates this kind of thing. And just because they are not easy to reach, doesn't mean that they've difficulty reaching those who break their regulations. Other services can be joined if you contact them at the right time of the day. This service can only be joined if you contact them at the right day of the time. |
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Post by Sauzels on Jul 8, 2020 13:27:42 GMT
This comic drops enough sudden lore bombs that I guess that might as well be a sentence.
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Post by getawaysubmarine on Jul 8, 2020 13:36:16 GMT
Boy, this thread blew up quickly- not that I'm particularly surprised, considering the bombshell Anja just dropped.
I guess that's one point for everyone who theorized at the chapter's beginning that Anja had done research into time travel?
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Post by wies on Jul 8, 2020 14:01:41 GMT
There's something about Anja's formulation though, with the use of both "really" and "very". I'm expecting only one of those to go when she goes on. "time travel is not really very difficult; it is just difficult really" Shoot, I forgot the "really" in the title quote. Maybe it was not Kat, but if time travel is easy like Anja says, someone could have sent Jones to the beginning of earth's existence. And of course, as is par the course for GKC, another question arises then: why would someone send a being like Jones so far in the past? Could be Coyote to get her away from interfering with his plan. Move her back then and devour all her memories of the time. Now he knows every second she existed before and knowing he'll run into her again If, and it is an important if, Jones is sent via time travel, it is very likely she is even later created than current events, since I imagine she would have met her past self then with all the wandering she has done, and that seems an event she would tell to Annie. Which points to Kat as the most likely creator of Jones for now. There is but one important objection to that theory: she has stated she is not a robot. |
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Post by bedinsis on Jul 8, 2020 15:21:54 GMT
Well this most certainly was a curveball; I did not see Anja's comments coming.
My prediction right now is that Anja discovered how to perform time travel in the past but that butterfly effect and other things like that meant that the consequences were potentially too grave for her to consider ever even trying an experiment. What she now has is proof that someone (who happens to be her daughter) already will meddle/has meddled with the past and the consequences have not been grave so she see no reason to worry.
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Post by heraldofexius on Jul 8, 2020 15:33:09 GMT
It wouldn't surprise me if the Court had already found a way to time travel, but they thought it was useless since they couldn't fully explain how it works. Anja's probably happy to see that Kat is following in her footsteps by working with etheric sciences regardless of whether or not she can explain every last detail. |
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Post by novia on Jul 8, 2020 15:47:02 GMT
In a surprise twist, Anja reveals that she was also nearly a god, but got tired of it when she had kids. (This is hypothetical.) This brings on a host of questions, though: if time travel was very possible for her, why didn’t she save Surma? I feel like I’m not as on the ball as the rest of you folks, so I’m not even going to attempt all the timey wimey discussion. That could be why Surma moved far away from Anja before giving birth to Antimony. 🤷♂️ |
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 8, 2020 16:11:26 GMT
Anja: "We used to do it all the time, to help our friend Rothgo find his Nidus."
When you consider all the "mad science" that the Court is up to, time travel probably would be something that's been explored. I wonder if it's strictly Court regulated, or as others have wondered, if it always results in a causality loop.
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Post by blackouthart on Jul 8, 2020 16:31:21 GMT
In a surprise twist, Anja reveals that she was also nearly a god, but got tired of it when she had kids. (This is hypothetical.) This brings on a host of questions, though: if time travel was very possible for her, why didn’t she save Surma? I feel like I’m not as on the ball as the rest of you folks, so I’m not even going to attempt all the timey wimey discussion. That could be why Surma moved far away from Anja before giving birth to Antimony. 🤷♂️ Cool, I’m even more sad. : ( Also the entire forum after this bomb was dropped: COOL BEANS. |
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Post by fia on Jul 8, 2020 16:47:16 GMT
Ah, the other shoe drops.
Anja has totally been skyrocketing up in the "Coolest GC character" rankings.
Now, I wonder if Doctor Disaster is going to have anything to do with the inevitable time-travel experience Kat and probably Annie will now have.
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Post by atteSmythe on Jul 8, 2020 17:40:47 GMT
Wonderful! I love this comic...
My prediction: time travel really isn’t very difficult, but it’s an etheric skill. Premonition, horoscope, fortelling, divination, and all these other skills that Kat doesn’t believe in all involve time travel - sending part of your etheric consciousness to another time to get an impression of what you wanted to learn. Anja’s intrigued because Kat has never displayed any etheric tendencies before, and hasn’t put together yet that Kat’s solution is entirely technological.
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Post by netherdan on Jul 8, 2020 18:52:20 GMT
Boy, this thread blew up quickly- not that I'm particularly surprised, considering the bombshell Anja just dropped.
I guess that's one point for everyone who theorized at the chapter's beginning that Anja had done research into time travel?
I mean, breaking and bending space-time is one of the functions of her computer and Donny's rocket respectively. Space and time are not separate things according to our current understanding of reality so they could have gone down that road too. If, and it is an important if, Jones is sent via time travel, it is very likely she is even later created than current events, since I imagine she would have met her past self then with all the wandering she has done, and that seems an event she would tell to Annie. Which points to Kat as the most likely creator of Jones for now. There is but one important objection to that theory: she has stated she is not a robot. Arthur isn't a robot either. Not anymore! Maybe Jones is Golem Lady Bot |
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Post by Corvo on Jul 8, 2020 19:38:27 GMT
Well, how difficult can it be, when it was discovered simultaneously at all periods of history.
Anja'll had to been lendeding her copy of Dr Dan Streetmentioner's Time Traveller's Handbook of 1001 Tense Formations to Kat though.
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Post by Señor Goose on Jul 8, 2020 19:44:21 GMT
[Star Trek music plays loudly]
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Post by fia on Jul 8, 2020 19:58:50 GMT
Thought: the Court is full of scientist-types who have shown a troubling indifference to ethical issues before (they are probably "self-regulated" enough that lots of Gunnerkriggers are just zipping around in the past if what Anja says is true). Unless it's "easy" in another or trivial sense that doesn't imply this. |
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Post by warrl on Jul 8, 2020 20:26:14 GMT
This brings on a host of questions, though: if time travel was very possible for her, why didn’t she save Surma? Respect. Saving Surma, by means we think would have been available to Anja, would have undone Surma's choice to have a child. |
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Post by netherdan on Jul 8, 2020 20:38:15 GMT
Thought: the Court is full of scientist-types who have shown a troubling indifference to ethical issues before (they are probably "self-regulated" enough that lots of Gunnerkriggers are just zipping around in the past if what Anja says is true). Unless it's "easy" in another or trivial sense that doesn't imply this. What if it's easy in the theoretical and proof of concept sense but in actuality the energy requirements grows exponentially? Kinda like in Outer Wilds, in which one lab's energy is enough to send an object some milliseconds back, one entire town's energy is enough for half a second and to get an object a few minutes back you need the energy output of a supernova! Actually they send just information in the latter case. Memories, to be more precise |
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Post by Runningflame on Jul 8, 2020 20:56:29 GMT
Ahahahaha! Wonderful. Tell us more. Edit: Not the first time Anja has blown Kat's mind by casually mentioning impossibilities. Except this time, the Annies look startled too. |
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Post by arkadi on Jul 8, 2020 22:07:50 GMT
...welp. Turns out, everybody is doing time paradoxes. Not what I expected.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jul 8, 2020 22:29:59 GMT
I'm guessing there are either very strict limitations or Anja has been keeping this a secret; because I sure know someone who would have been willing to give time travel a try if he had known. She's probably been keeping knowledge of time travel a secret precisely because there are strict moral, ethic, paradoxical and logic bomb limitations. For example, she's been waiting for years before she could reveal to Kat about the time that a girl who called herself "Tak" came and gave her a time travel device. Now that she knows that Kat knows about time travel, she can talk to her about it. Or, she's not afraid to talk. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Jul 8, 2020 23:03:23 GMT
Spontaneous (and kinda dark, sorry) analogy I thought of: From a certain perspective, killing human beings is also easy! They're really squishy and easy to break in so many different ways! And so, it happens a lot in this world, and sometimes it's justified (or maybe not, but lots of people believe so)! This does not, however, mean that everybody can or should do it all the time, nor does it mean that there are never any serious consequences for it.
Based on Anja's reaction, I predict that time travel might be "easy" in a vaguely similar sense - she's pretty happy about Kat doing it here, so it's clearly capable of being a good thing in some situations, but given that not everyone seems to know about time travel, those situations might be far and few between.
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Post by wies on Jul 9, 2020 3:30:34 GMT
If, and it is an important if, Jones is sent via time travel, it is very likely she is even later created than current events, since I imagine she would have met her past self then with all the wandering she has done, and that seems an event she would tell to Annie. Which points to Kat as the most likely creator of Jones for now. There is but one important objection to that theory: she has stated she is not a robot. Arthur isn't a robot either. Not anymore! Good point! |
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Post by seedmagnesium on Jul 9, 2020 4:15:23 GMT
I'm going to call that the next page is Anja spouting technobabble, Kat totally getting it, and the Annies being bewildered.
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Post by apache on Jul 9, 2020 5:08:10 GMT
Tsk. Silly people. It's just a jump to the left........ >  |
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Post by jda on Jul 9, 2020 5:40:50 GMT
Tsk. Silly people. It's just a jump to the left........ > |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 9, 2020 6:37:08 GMT
Thought: the Court is full of scientist-types who have shown a troubling indifference to ethical issues before (they are probably "self-regulated" enough that lots of Gunnerkriggers are just zipping around in the past if what Anja says is true). Unless it's "easy" in another or trivial sense that doesn't imply this. What if it's easy in the theoretical and proof of concept sense but in actuality the energy requirements grows exponentially? Kinda like in Outer Wilds, in which one lab's energy is enough to send an object some milliseconds back, one entire town's energy is enough for half a second and to get an object a few minutes back you need the energy output of a supernova! Actually they send just information in the latter case. Memories, to be more precise I'm not a believer in reversibility but as a theoretical concept it may offer a way to estimate how much energy non-alternate-timeline time travel would take. As in, the amount of energy that it would take to truly rewind time five minutes would be the same amount as it would take to reverse all actions on all scales in the universe that happened in those five minutes. From a fiction-writing standpoint it provides the utilities of making longer rewinds more expensive (which helps keeps the plot on the rails) and gives the author an excuse to not explain what happened before the big bang. Aside from just sending memories, there's also the "counterweight" method by which the energy demands could be met through displacement, generating energy through either removing an appropriate quantity of matter by firing it into the future (perhaps perpetually) or through the more standard matter-energy conversion. |
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Post by csj on Jul 9, 2020 7:44:15 GMT
not every difficult, but some methods are probably easier than others; 'we aren't all omnipotent etherial beings, mum' "So basically, it starts as a flat circle..." smooth and inoffensive |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 9, 2020 9:57:59 GMT
Of course a forum full of nerds and geeks like this one would quickly collect some easy methods to travel in time. I am a little disappointed though that no one thought that taking a rusty Klingon bird-of-prey and slingshotting around a star is an easy, if somewhat trippy, method as well.  Wonderful! I love this comic... My prediction: time travel really isn’t very difficult, but it’s an etheric skill. Premonition, horoscope, fortelling, divination, and all these other skills that Kat doesn’t believe in all involve time travel - sending part of your etheric consciousness to another time to get an impression of what you wanted to learn. Anja’s intrigued because Kat has never displayed any etheric tendencies before, and hasn’t put together yet that Kat’s solution is entirely technological. Which solution? So far Kat has only constructed a Tic-toc and deduced from that she must have somehow mastered time travel in the future. She has no clue how to do it yet. If, and it is an important if, Jones is sent via time travel, it is very likely she is even later created than current events, since I imagine she would have met her past self then with all the wandering she has done, and that seems an event she would tell to Annie. Which points to Kat as the most likely creator of Jones for now. There is but one important objection to that theory: she has stated she is not a robot. Arthur isn't a robot either. Not anymore! , at least. His body is still obviously artificially constructed and can be modified, even if his brain is organic enough to make him count as a living being. (So, I guess, he's rather a sort of cyborg now?) Jones' body is unchangeable, indestructible, impenetrable even for x-rays and has existed without any kind of maintenance for 4.5 billion years (correct me if that's not Earth's actual age). If this body has been artificially constructed it must be from a point long into the future. And there is still no reason why anyone would create her and send her back to the formation of Earth. |
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