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Post by mturtle7 on May 26, 2020 17:09:26 GMT
Furthermore, I can't believe I never realized that the Tic-Tocs pretty much stop showing up after they save Annie at the bridge - some part of me has always carried this peculiar assumption that the Tic-Tocs were still around in the Court, but Annie had just stopped seeing them. They do show up at least once in this page after Annie has been rescued from the bridge. It's about 2 chapters after the bridge storyline. Dang it, I forgot about that one.
...Hear me out, though. What if the Tic-toc wasn't actually there?! Wasn't pretty much that whole chapter about Zimmy's powers acting up, and seeing things from other times & dimensions?! Even if the Tic-tocs had already left the timeline by that point, one still could have shown up as just another Zimmy vision from the past/future, and Annie & Gamma could see it too because...well, it's Zimmy. |
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Post by pyradonis on May 26, 2020 17:22:48 GMT
Dang it, I forgot about that one.
...Hear me out, though. What if the Tic-toc wasn't actually there?! Wasn't pretty much that whole chapter about Zimmy's powers acting up, and seeing things from other times & dimensions?! Even if the Tic-tocs had already left the timeline by that point, one still could have shown up as just another Zimmy vision from the past/future, and Annie & Gamma could see it too because...well, it's Zimmy. Good move! However, why should the Tic-tocs return anway? Both the robot's and Anja's statements about the Tic-tocs sound like they have been around for a long time, possibly longer than at least the current generation of robots. If they have been in the past for so long, why the need to have them return? What would Kat do with them in the present? Would it even be a return? There might have been whole generations of Tic-tocs "living" before Kat built the first one. |
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Post by saardvark on May 26, 2020 18:14:53 GMT
Did we ever find it what originally inspired Diego to give the Seraph model robots wings? maybe this has been noted before, but angels are, in the traditional view, seen as both messengers and protectors. Seraphim are among the highest ranking angels, so it makes sense that a high ranking, guardian/messanger robot might be called a seraph and, for decoration, given appropriate wings. |
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Post by migrantworker on May 26, 2020 20:12:06 GMT
You know, one thing has been bugging me about this page. Seeing it made me sad, and I could not quite figure out why. I could not get excited about the longstanding speculation being revealed to be correct. But I think I have found the right word now.
This page is tragic - in the classical sense of characters being inevitably drawn towards a predetermined course of action. A classical tragedy then progresses towards the protagonist's death, but the story's ending also brings katharsis, a feeling of relief and renewed hope. I wonder if we still have all this in store, and if so then what our katharsis would be.
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Post by Runningflame on May 26, 2020 20:20:24 GMT
Dang it, I forgot about that one.
...Hear me out, though. What if the Tic-toc wasn't actually there?! Wasn't pretty much that whole chapter about Zimmy's powers acting up, and seeing things from other times & dimensions?! Even if the Tic-tocs had already left the timeline by that point, one still could have shown up as just another Zimmy vision from the past/future, and Annie & Gamma could see it too because...well, it's Zimmy. I was about to disagree, saying that if the tic toc wasn't really there, then we should also have seen Annie with the cut on her face. ... Lo and behold, she has the cut on her face. On every page where the tic toc occurs. This theory makes all kinds of sense now. |
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Post by Jota on May 26, 2020 23:50:02 GMT
Did we ever find it what originally inspired Diego to give the Seraph model robots wings? maybe this has been noted before, but angels are, in the traditional view, seen as both messengers and protectors. Seraphim are among the highest ranking angels, so it makes sense that a high ranking, guardian/messanger robot might be called a seraph and, for decoration, given appropriate wings. Maybe. But I was wondering if he might have been inspired by a robot bird that predated the Court, or maybe by an etheric vision of the being who sent them there. |
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Post by pyradonis on May 27, 2020 0:54:08 GMT
Dang it, I forgot about that one.
...Hear me out, though. What if the Tic-toc wasn't actually there?! Wasn't pretty much that whole chapter about Zimmy's powers acting up, and seeing things from other times & dimensions?! Even if the Tic-tocs had already left the timeline by that point, one still could have shown up as just another Zimmy vision from the past/future, and Annie & Gamma could see it too because...well, it's Zimmy. I was about to disagree, saying that if the tic toc wasn't really there, then we should also have seen Annie with the cut on her face. ... Lo and behold, she has the cut on her face. On every page where the tic toc occurs. This theory makes all kinds of sense now. Now I would be interested in knowing whether Gamma could see Annie's cut as well... |
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Post by saardvark on May 27, 2020 2:46:03 GMT
I was about to disagree, saying that if the tic toc wasn't really there, then we should also have seen Annie with the cut on her face. ... Lo and behold, she has the cut on her face. On every page where the tic toc occurs. This theory makes all kinds of sense now. Now I would be interested in knowing whether Gamma could see Annie's cut as well... she doesnt seem to be reacting to it... I dunno, if a congenial acquaintance of mine had a serious, bleeding cut on their face that they seemed unaware of, I'd ask about it.... Then again, hanging out with Zimms all the time, a cut might be not even worth mentioning... It might be worth noting tho, that even the Zimmster herself reacted to Annie's gash... www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=189 |
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Post by wies on May 27, 2020 7:28:33 GMT
You know, one thing has been bugging me about this page. Seeing it made me sad, and I could not quite figure out why. I could not get excited about the longstanding speculation being revealed to be correct. But I think I have found the right word now. This page is tragic - in the classical sense of characters being inevitably drawn towards a predetermined course of action. A classical tragedy then progresses towards the protagonist's death, but the story's ending also brings katharsis, a feeling of relief and renewed hope. I wonder if we still have all this in store, and if so then what our katharsis would be. I doubt it if it will be a classical tragedy, since this all started seemingly with averting the protagonist's death. Huh, this reminds me of something I haven't seen discussed before. Annie, as being part fire elemental, is also destined to die when she has a child. But if she died before that, that would mean the line of the fire elemental was snuffed out. |
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Post by migrantworker on May 27, 2020 9:09:29 GMT
You know, one thing has been bugging me about this page. Seeing it made me sad, and I could not quite figure out why. I could not get excited about the longstanding speculation being revealed to be correct. But I think I have found the right word now. This page is tragic - in the classical sense of characters being inevitably drawn towards a predetermined course of action. A classical tragedy then progresses towards the protagonist's death, but the story's ending also brings katharsis, a feeling of relief and renewed hope. I wonder if we still have all this in store, and if so then what our katharsis would be. I doubt it if it will be a classical tragedy, since this all started seemingly with averting the protagonist's death. Huh, this reminds me of something I haven't discussed before. Annie, as being part fire elemental, is also destined to die when she has a child. But if she died before that, that would mean the line of the fire elemental was snuffed out. Fire consumes other things to keep itself going. And it has found a way to figuratively consume Kat, in the sense of redirecting her efforts towards saving the fire-carrier from death. All it took was to be in the right place in the right time - inside a self-fulfilling prophecy structured in such a way that given her background and position in life, Kat couldn't not make a Tictoc. |
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Post by speedwell on May 27, 2020 10:31:52 GMT
I doubt it if it will be a classical tragedy, since this all started seemingly with averting the protagonist's death. Huh, this reminds me of something I haven't discussed before. Annie, as being part fire elemental, is also destined to die when she has a child. But if she died before that, that would mean the line of the fire elemental was snuffed out. Fire consumes other things to keep itself going. And it has found a way to figuratively consume Kat, in the sense of redirecting her efforts towards saving the fire-carrier from death. All it took was to be in the right place in the right time - inside a self-fulfilling prophecy structured in such a way that given her background and position in life, Kat couldn't not make a Tictoc. But *these* Annies didn't die. If the one that did die (we assume) died without passing her elemental spirit on, then she would be in the ROTD, but she's not, so far as we know. |
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Post by migrantworker on May 27, 2020 11:48:26 GMT
Fire consumes other things to keep itself going. And it has found a way to figuratively consume Kat, in the sense of redirecting her efforts towards saving the fire-carrier from death. All it took was to be in the right place in the right time - inside a self-fulfilling prophecy structured in such a way that given her background and position in life, Kat couldn't not make a Tictoc. But *these* Annies didn't die. If the one that did die (we assume) died without passing her elemental spirit on, then she would be in the ROTD, but she's not, so far as we know. A fire elemental may not care about any of that, and simply count keeping at least one Annie alive as a success, full stop. Let's not expect too much from an incarnation of a chemical reaction...  But more seriously, the last panel on this page gave an impression that the ROTD isn't a default final destination for everyone: ' some of the unjustly dead' may exclude Annie on one or both counts. |
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Post by arcuna on May 27, 2020 12:05:32 GMT
Now that it's pretty much confirmed that Annie would (should?) have died if not for Kat's time travel shenanigans, I'm interpreting Magnolia's joke comment (at approximately 9:29) in a whole new light. |
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Post by neonmoon on May 27, 2020 12:27:44 GMT
Sorry, I know I already said this in the "cool things you noticed on reread" thread, but I'm losing my damn mind about the date of this page. Tom really put that first treatise, " Ora, Lege, Relege, Labora, Et Invienes", the page right after Annie falls off the bridge, when Annie would have died and instead the Tic Toc goes to grab her and the timelines split, on May 25, 2006, exactly 14 years to the day before this update. |
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Post by wies on May 27, 2020 12:53:42 GMT
Now that it's pretty much confirmed that Annie would (should?) have died if not for Kat's time travel shenanigans, I'm interpreting Magnolia's joke comment (at approximately 9:29) in a whole new light. Can someone transcripe that joke comment? I am hard of hearing, and didn't understand what was said. |
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Post by Jota on May 27, 2020 14:25:41 GMT
Can someone transcripe that joke comment? I am hard of hearing, and didn't understand what was said. "So this is the one where Annie dies." "Yeah." "It came out good." |
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Post by wies on May 27, 2020 14:31:58 GMT
Thank you!
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