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Post by philman on May 8, 2020 7:01:56 GMT
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Post by wies on May 8, 2020 7:05:30 GMT
So far they seem to mind it not so much as that robot of give and take.
Also: The annies seem to have been so distracted that they forgot there is yet another room Kat didn't want to open, so this might be for the best for Kat.
And Robot is busy giving another Ocean to a Bot.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 8, 2020 7:06:05 GMT
They did want to keep their progeny going, I guess.
Also: I wonder what the robots are doing while waiting for their bodies to finish growing. Internet? Netflix?
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Post by basser on May 8, 2020 7:19:24 GMT
After 10+ years and several thousand updates we finally discover this has all just been an elaborate season of Westworld.
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Post by Zox Tomana on May 8, 2020 7:20:56 GMT
I think that there is an argument to be made for it being alright to bring them back for this task, so long as the option of returning to death is made. Their major task before shutting down was to create a kind of progeny which could self-sustain and continue to serve the humans of the court. The continuance of their progeny has been interrupted and the wills of that progeny overridden. Kat has essentially asked the parents of the modern robots to come back and aid their children. If this was Kat needing help with her research back before all this went down, I'd be against it, but so long as it is in this context... |
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Post by arf on May 8, 2020 7:57:53 GMT
That one robot didn't speak for them all, and Kat specifically did not reanimate him.
I guess these robots are happy with movement and a goal, and I don't recall Kat making any promises about them.
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Post by stclair on May 8, 2020 8:00:44 GMT
"Oh, just committing various crimes against God and/or Man..."
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Post by TBeholder on May 8, 2020 9:38:33 GMT
Oh, they're just helping with the boxes. Never mind then.
But also: the Generation 1 are not overridden? Howzaboutthat.
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Post by migrantworker on May 8, 2020 11:33:36 GMT
Oh, they're just helping with the boxes. Never mind then. But also: the Generation 1 are not overridden? Howzabout that. Perhaps the shield protocol is incompatible with golem robots. After all, they are built quite differently than modern robots. And in any case, they were switched off when the signal to deploy the shield was sent. |
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Post by todd on May 8, 2020 12:54:27 GMT
I can't remember if this has been answered in the webcomic or not yet, but - is Kat's transferring the robots into new bodies interfering with the force field? (Since Loup's already found a way around it, it may not matter, of course.)
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Post by fia on May 8, 2020 14:42:11 GMT
I mean, to the robots, Kat is now a necromancer reviving dead corpses to do her bidding.
The first robot she revived by mistake was like Lazarus – doing it a dozen times over? Necromancy.
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Post by pyradonis on May 8, 2020 15:25:16 GMT
So. Behind the trapdoor is what was to be expected. What's behind the closed door? Oh, they're just helping with the boxes. Never mind then. But also: the Generation 1 are not overridden? Howzabout that. Not surprising. Whoever installed the shield protocol used Anja Donlan's shield technology. Our mysterious hacker likely did not care to try and install the protocol on obsolete robots whhich had been shut down and buried for centuries. If they even knew about their existence and where they were stored. I can't remember if this has been answered in the webcomic or not yet, but - is Kat's transferring the robots into new bodies interfering with the force field? (Since Loup's already found a way around it, it may not matter, of course.) As far as we have seen she only performs the transfer on the CPUs which had been removed to open a gap in the shield. So, she is interfering indirectly - if the Court wants to reinstall the CPUs to close the gap, they will be gone. If the Court decides to override those robots anyway, they will probably not notice for quite some time. |
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Post by IvDead on May 8, 2020 15:43:54 GMT
I mean, to the robots, Kat is now a necromancer reviving dead corpses to do her bidding. The first robot she revived by mistake was like Lazarus – doing it a dozen times over? Necromancy. Eh, if the robots are up with the Robot's sermons, they already think of her as their Angel of Life and Death. The difference lies in PR btw, which thanks to Robot the Kat's is very good among robots. |
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Post by Runningflame on May 8, 2020 17:39:01 GMT
Kat's expression in the last panel is fascinating. It's superficially guilty/worried, but underneath that and the tiredness there's a sense of desperate, jaw-clenched determination--"and don't try to stop me." Really well done.
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Post by Eversist on May 8, 2020 18:18:28 GMT
So far they seem to mind it not so much as that robot of give and take. I think that there is an argument to be made for it being alright to bring them back for this task, so long as the option of returning to death is made. Their major task before shutting down was to create a kind of progeny which could self-sustain and continue to serve the humans of the court. The continuance of their progeny has been interrupted and the wills of that progeny overridden. Kat has essentially asked the parents of the modern robots to come back and aid their children. If this was Kat needing help with her research back before all this went down, I'd be against it, but so long as it is in this context... That one robot didn't speak for them all, and Kat specifically did not reanimate him. I guess these robots are happy with movement and a goal, and I don't recall Kat making any promises about them. I think with some of the wording on these pages, the argument could also be made that they all didn't want to be brought back under any circumstance. But who knows? Like some of you said, maybe in this context they're okay with it. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=892 - "intended... final resting place" "we knew our time had passed" "in our stead" "trusted the future with our legacy" www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=894 - "intentionally deactivated ourselves... left this world to our children... chose to end our lives" www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=896 - "this is not our time" "we belong here... a tribute... a time passed" I just don't think that there'd be this amount of anguish/determination/secrecy if this wasn't a squicky thing to have done, though. I mean, look at Kat's face here. And I personally think the reason she didn't bring back the previously activated robot... is so he couldn't tell the others that she had already brought him back/what he had asked of her, not specifically only because he had already asked her to return him to death. I also feel like there might be some directives Kat installed when they were brought back that might be overriding their basic wants/desires. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2267All a wild guess, though. It's possible she had a chat with them after waking them up.  I do love how it warrants discussion/is a bit of a grey area. Also: The annies seem to have been so distracted that they forgot there is yet another room Kat didn't want to open, so this might be for the best for Kat. Can't wait for the reveal at the end of the chapter.  |
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Post by ctso74 on May 8, 2020 23:06:25 GMT
Since the one Old Robot they spoke with believed movement is life, they might be willing to help save their decedents from "death". The next few pages may elaborate, to where on the spectrum of guilt Kat lies. It's far from certain, currently. That look o Kat's face is interesting, though. |
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Post by saardvark on May 9, 2020 0:57:35 GMT
Since the one Old Robot they spoke with believed movement is life, they might be willing to help save their decedents from "death". The next few pages may elaborate, to where on the spectrum of guilt Kat lies. It's far from certain, currently. That look o Kat's face is interesting, though. I read Kat's expression as feeling pained by committing one moral wrong (force-reawakening the Elder Robots against their wishes - or at least against the wishes of their "leader") in order to right a (perceived-by-Kat-to-be) greater moral wrong (the Court enslaving current robots to generate the purple Spang shield bubble). She might not be sure she made the right choice, or is sure, but also just as sure that she did serious wrong in order to accomplish the good of freeing the modern bots. |
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Post by IvDead on May 9, 2020 2:15:24 GMT
Since the one Old Robot they spoke with believed movement is life, they might be willing to help save their decedents from "death". The next few pages may elaborate, to where on the spectrum of guilt Kat lies. It's far from certain, currently. That look o Kat's face is interesting, though. I read Kat's expression as feeling pained by committing one moral wrong (force-reawakening the Elder Robots against their wishes - or at least against the wishes of their "leader") in order to right a (perceived-by-Kat-to-be) greater moral wrong (the Court enslaving current robots to generate the purple Spang shield bubble). She might not be sure she made the right choice, or is sure, but also just as sure that she did serious wrong in order to accomplish the good of freeing the modern bots. And hid it all from Annie. This is amazing how embarrassed/ashamed/defensive someone can be when a secret, even a small one, is discovered. |
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Post by Zox Tomana on May 11, 2020 5:05:25 GMT
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Post by Eversist on May 11, 2020 20:09:42 GMT
Yep, I see that as the base assumption we can all make with the information we've been given. The reason(s) I'm theorizing at an addition to the bypass code is (1) it seems the bypass she installed this time may have been purely digital (she teleports them in and installs it immediately), while that first time was physical (she snaps it off). So this time it's slightly different, and it leaves room for something hidden that the viewer does not initially know about. (2) She now knows they didn't want to be brought back. She didn't know that the first time. She may have assumed they would feel the same way and decided to head it off. (3) It would make her choices even more controversial. I didn't make it super-clear that I meant this as an addition to the bypass code in my initial post (that was my bad), but I was using reference links from that chapter in that same post so I definitely remember that part. It also may just be showing that Kat has made crazy leaps forward in her ability to work on these robots and her touch-free computer work, or it's purely a narrative assist to move the story forward faster. Who knows, it's just a theory. |
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I do love how it warrants discussion/is a bit of a grey area.
