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Post by justhalf on Apr 27, 2020 7:01:44 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 27, 2020 7:16:09 GMT
Shelly's hair is longer, yet no longer goes up. Aata's do remains the same. |
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Post by bicarbonat on Apr 27, 2020 7:16:29 GMT
I know that absolutely no good would come of an impetuous double-immolation, but man. Sure would be nice.
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Post by madjack on Apr 27, 2020 7:29:33 GMT
I wonder how comprehensive Annie's report to the Court of her initial conversation with Loup was? Maybe they picked up on the same loophole she may not have realised she left: That as long as she tries to obtain his gifts, he will not attack the Court himself. It wouldn't matter if the Court themselves were the obstacle to their retrieval, Loup would still be held to his word. Of course, she could just give up on finding them... |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Apr 27, 2020 8:18:29 GMT
Remember Loup had an unspecified time limit on how long she could look for them. I don't think he'd consider an artificial delay a loophole.
That said, it would have forever surprised me if the Court believed even for a moment that it was a great idea to hand someone like Loup the key to Coyote's unlimited power
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Post by hnau on Apr 27, 2020 8:22:58 GMT
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Post by wies on Apr 27, 2020 8:44:49 GMT
Not much to say except I really like panel 4. It is the one panel that doesn't continue the momentum of this page and so feels like a short soothing break. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 27, 2020 9:05:36 GMT
tl;dr: If Antimonies aren't actively trying to return the three gifts "Loup" asked for then he feels free to attack the Court via proxy. I think we can safely assume that the attacks will get worse the longer it takes. Just so people remember... "Loup" promised an Antimony that if she tries to get the three gifts returned then he will stop attacking the Court. He also said that if they stalled for time that he wouldn't like to be kept waiting, and mentioned the third tree that formed a network under the Court and how "his armies" could use it to enter the Court and attack, though he himself would wait. "Loup" promised an Antimony that he would never hurt her. Presumably this applies to all Antimonies but explicitly does not extend to anyone else. Arguably, killing Antimonies' friends in front of them would inflict emotional damage but it appears if it made them do what he wanted he would neither count that as breaking his promise nor forcing them to do something. Sure enough, "Loup" got tired of waiting and sent that message seed to remind Antimonies about the return of his gifts, and that creature(s) may have followed it to their location. That time it was an ashray, something that the Antimonies didn't have much trouble with once they started cooperating. I think we can safely infer that "Loup" will send more dangerous things as he grows more impatient, though maybe things that won't hurt Antimonies... directly. If he does send "armies" then I assume they'll be instructed not to harm Antimonies... directly. Not sure if that would prohibit capturing Antimonies and maybe lightly roughing them up in the process. Very sure it wouldn't prohibit capturing/harming/torturing/killing their friends and relative, if it eventually comes to that. |
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Post by shadow3 on Apr 27, 2020 9:30:23 GMT
"Now everyone look over here. I just got a new pen the other day. See how nice it looks?"
*puts on sunglasses*
<<<<<FLASH>>>>>
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 27, 2020 9:57:42 GMT
That time it was an ashray, something that the Antimonies didn't have much trouble with once they started cooperating. I think we can safely infer that "Loup" will send more dangerous things as he grows more impatient, though maybe things that won't hurt Antimonies... directly. If he does send "armies" then I assume they'll be instructed not to harm Antimonies... directly. Not sure if that would prohibit capturing Antimonies and maybe lightly roughing them up in the process. Very sure it wouldn't prohibit capturing/harming/torturing/killing their friends and relative, if it eventually comes to that. Maybe next time he'll send a fire creature. Burn down everything and everyone in the vicinity while simultaneously not harming the Annies and keeping them from interfering.
By the way, the transition from panel 5 to 6 looks as if Aata just straight up Force Pulled that vial from Annie F.'s hand like a goddamn Jedi.
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Post by migrantworker on Apr 27, 2020 11:46:05 GMT
I can see now why the elves do not trust the Court. There you go putting all this heavy labor to get something for your medium, because you would like to get out from under the consequences of her mistakes. And then some busybody walks over and casually snatches the result of your work. So what do you make of this, as an outsider to the Court and given your existing mistrust? A more level-headed elf may decide that the Court is divided, with some parts of it perhaps even genuinely willing to help you. But those other parts would still try to intervene for their own motives whatever those may be, and the sympathetic parts cannot be guaranteed to prevail. And the sympathetic parts have their own agendas, which may cause harm to you even if that is not their intention. So yes, it is reasonable to stay mistrustful. A more hot-headed elf may just as well decide that the Court is a nest of villains who need to be punished. And they are already inside that nest, so... And why were Eglamore and Idra there in the first place? Eglamore did not even carry any visible weapons, and neither of them can bend ironwood. Is their job to make sure that the lake water stays in the hands of Responsible Adults like, say, Aata? |
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Post by TBeholder on Apr 27, 2020 12:24:14 GMT
So the complication is that someone decided to try outsmarting Loup and see what happens.
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Post by todd on Apr 27, 2020 12:46:18 GMT
Let's not forget, also, that Loup said that the Court is doing something that threatens or undermines the existence of the Forest. That means, for him, leaving the Court alone is not an option; his survival, and that of the Forest, depends on the Court being neutralized - and it's obvious how he defines "neutralized".
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Post by IvDead on Apr 27, 2020 13:07:47 GMT
That time it was an ashray, something that the Antimonies didn't have much trouble with once they started cooperating. I think we can safely infer that "Loup" will send more dangerous things as he grows more impatient, though maybe things that won't hurt Antimonies... directly. If he does send "armies" then I assume they'll be instructed not to harm Antimonies... directly. Not sure if that would prohibit capturing Antimonies and maybe lightly roughing them up in the process. Very sure it wouldn't prohibit capturing/harming/torturing/killing their friends and relative, if it eventually comes to that. Maybe next time he'll send a fire creature. Burn down everything and everyone in the vicinity while simultaneously not harming the Annies and keeping them from interfering. And why were Eglamore and Idra there in the first place? Eglamore did not even carry any visible weapons, and neither of them can bend ironwood. Is their job to make sure that the lake water stays in the hands of Responsible Adults like, say, Aata? They may be present on representative role, Idra for the elves (because I doubt they would want Annie (any of them) to represent them), and Eglamore representing the Court. |
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Post by saardvark on Apr 27, 2020 14:59:44 GMT
And why were Eglamore and Idra there in the first place? Eglamore did not even carry any visible weapons, and neither of them can bend ironwood. Is their job to make sure that the lake water stays in the hands of Responsible Adults like, say, Aata? I'd say Idra is there as an elf-Court liaison. Eggs is there for protection, in case there are any gurdig or wooden doggie attacks. |
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Post by saardvark on Apr 27, 2020 15:00:41 GMT
Maybe next time he'll send a fire creature. Burn down everything and everyone in the vicinity while simultaneously not harming the Annies and keeping them from interfering. And why were Eglamore and Idra there in the first place? Eglamore did not even carry any visible weapons, and neither of them can bend ironwood. Is their job to make sure that the lake water stays in the hands of Responsible Adults like, say, Aata? They may be present on representative role, Idra for the elves (because I doubt they would want Annie (any of them) to represent them), and Eglamore representing the Court. Welcome to the forum, ivdead! |
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Post by migrantworker on Apr 27, 2020 15:06:15 GMT
And why were Eglamore and Idra there in the first place? Eglamore did not even carry any visible weapons, and neither of them can bend ironwood. Is their job to make sure that the lake water stays in the hands of Responsible Adults like, say, Aata? They may be present on representative role, Idra for the elves (because I doubt they would want Annie (any of them) to represent them), and Eglamore representing the Court. Welcome to the forum, Ivdead! Yep, that sounds plausible. And anyway, Annies are not there just to represent: they have a tracker and were using it to direct the woodworkers. |
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Post by IvDead on Apr 27, 2020 15:29:18 GMT
Also, did anyone else notice that all the three elves on the construction team are wearing human clothes (instead of the clothes elves normally wear)? Edit: Nevermind, I just realized now that all the tree elves received clothes of the Court after their exile.
Edit: Thanks for the warm welcome?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 27, 2020 19:09:18 GMT
I can see now why the elves do not trust the Court. There you go putting all this heavy labor to get something for your medium, because you would like to get out from under the consequences of her mistakes. And then some busybody walks over and casually snatches the result of your work. Not sure what the Court is thinking with regard to the disposition of the water; maybe they just want to do a few more tests before it goes away, or maybe this is a plot thing where they now have to get the water back from the Court. Sorry, Annies, your water princess is in another castle. Regarding snatching the water in the first place, I suppose the Court figures that since they give the people here everything they have they're agents of the Court and therefore subjects so they're entitled... possibly literally entitled, as in with actual titles. |
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Post by ctso74 on Apr 27, 2020 20:09:49 GMT
So the complication is that someone decided to try outsmarting Loup and see what happens. Can one outsmart deranged? I think Loup may be a little too irrational, to systematically out think. I wonder if the Court has the ability of divining the memory of Coyote's plan, and will return it to the Twins. Narratively speaking, they'll probably personally give the Water back to Loup, in order to see Coyote again. |
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Post by migrantworker on Apr 27, 2020 20:33:49 GMT
I can see now why the elves do not trust the Court. There you go putting all this heavy labor to get something for your medium, because you would like to get out from under the consequences of her mistakes. And then some busybody walks over and casually snatches the result of your work. Not sure what the Court is thinking with regard to the disposition of the water; maybe they just want to do a few more tests before it goes away, or maybe this is a plot thing where they now have to get the water back from the Court. Sorry, Annies, your water princess is in another castle. Regarding snatching the water in the first place, I suppose the Court figures that since they give the people here everything they have they're agents of the Court and therefore subjects so they're entitled... possibly literally entitled, as in with actual titles. I don't know. Doing just a few tests before returning the water reminds me of this joke, where a dying man asks his friends to pour a bottle of fine whisky on his grave. No problem, they say, "but surely you wouldn't mind if the whisky passes through our kidneys first?". I just can't see this sort of tinkering being acceptable to Loup. As for entitlement, this is spot on: Aata definitely does behave as if everybody else was a comfortable number of rungs below him. But this: ...maybe this is a plot thing... - gives me an idea. Aata may outrank everyone on today's page, but he is himself outranked by a bigger Aata: one Tony Carver. Annies could, erm, go Down That Road and ask him for help. Would they though, if it comes to that? |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 27, 2020 21:35:18 GMT
So the complication is that someone decided to try outsmarting Loup and see what happens. Can one outsmart deranged? I think Loup may be a little too irrational, to systematically out think. I wouldn't try to out-crazy "Loup" or call possible bluffs with regard to his threats but yes I think out-thinking him is eminently achievable. He's at least partly Ysengrin, someone who was known for rigid mindset, he has problems with control and is in denial about it... and he's still sorta new to his powers in general. I also don't think he's got any sort of plan beyond what he immediately wants and can't really be trusted to keep his word if doing so would disadvantage him in any significant way. That being the case, I wouldn't provoke him unnecessarily or try to screw him over, but I would try to maneuver him in directions that would lead to mutual survival and long-term stability in ways that even if he notices that he's been managed he'd still be getting pretty much what he wants so would be unlikely to do much about it. I also wouldn't try to trick or deceive him unless I was absolutely sure he'd never find out or come into contact with anyone who would wise him up. I also don't think he's going to be around that long; pretty shortly after the gifts are returned he's going to remember he was Coyote all along. I wonder if the Court has the ability of divining the memory of Coyote's plan, and will return it to the Twins. Narratively speaking, they'll probably personally give the Water back to Loup, in order to see Coyote again. Maybe. I suspect they're just thinking about doing due diligence with regard to the gifts they're returning, making sure that there's nothing so dangerous that not returning them and suffering his wrath would actually be safer, but there is an opportunity here for scientific advancement so they could also be gambling that the delay of a few days might bring some sort of benefits. (shrug) Maybe next comic they will say something about why they're doing what they're doing. I don't know. Doing just a few tests before returning the water reminds me of this joke, where a dying man asks his friends to pour a bottle of fine whisky on his grave. No problem, they say, "but surely you wouldn't mind if the whisky passes through our kidneys first?". I just can't see this sort of tinkering being acceptable to Loup. Is agree. I don't think "Loup" would want even non-destructive testing done on any of the gifts, let alone siphoning off some of the etheric energy or anything like that. ...maybe this is a plot thing... - gives me an idea. Aata may outrank everyone on today's page, but he is himself outranked by a bigger Aata: one Tony Carver. Annies could, erm, go Down That Road and ask him for help. Would they though, if it comes to that? Depends. These shadow men are probably not here on a whim, but because they were sent by someone with some rank. I wouldn't count on Anthony having enough rank or pull to overrule whoever would be giving them their orders. |
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Post by IvDead on Apr 27, 2020 22:28:33 GMT
- gives me an idea. Aata may outrank everyone on today's page, but he is himself outranked by a bigger Aata: one Tony Carver. Annies could, erm, go Down That Road and ask him for help. Would they though, if it comes to that? Depends. These shadow men are probably not here on a whim, but because they were sent by someone with some rank. I wouldn't count on Anthony having enough rank or pull to overrule whoever would be giving them their orders. Anthony maybe not, but what about Jones? |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 27, 2020 22:51:38 GMT
Depends. These shadow men are probably not here on a whim, but because they were sent by someone with some rank. I wouldn't count on Anthony having enough rank or pull to overrule whoever would be giving them their orders. Anthony maybe not, but what about Jones? Whatever else she may be, in the Court hierarchy Jones is just a consultant. She can't actually order any of them to do anything, but it has been demonstrated that she's got significant pull that looks like she can, at least when she appears to be acting on the Court's behalf. By the way, despite the fact that they appear to trust her a lot it's been formsprung that Jones has lied to the Court. |
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Post by warrl on Apr 27, 2020 23:27:09 GMT
I still observe that we've seen nothing to indicate that Loup is aware of the Giggleblade.
For that matter, we don't know that the Court is aware of it - or anyone other than Annies, Kat, Reynard, George, Andrew, Shadow, and Robot (and maybe Jones, I'm sorta half-remembering maybe seeing it mentioned or displayed around her).
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Post by Runningflame on Apr 28, 2020 2:20:18 GMT
Finally! It's about time some Court higher-ups got involved in these shenanigans that have life-or-death consequences for everyone in the Court. (Also, I was thinking about these two recently. Though I definitely did not recognize Shell with the different hairstyle.)
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 28, 2020 11:11:45 GMT
Maybe next time he'll send a fire creature. Burn down everything and everyone in the vicinity while simultaneously not harming the Annies and keeping them from interfering. Oh, good catch! Now: would Loup know this? Probably. But would he overcome his laziness to remember? Not sure... Plus, last time the tree was officially in a red zone. It might have been reclassified after the wisps were cleared out, but I cannot imagine Eglamore letting kids and outsiders go there without supervision. Remember further that neither Annie has an official position in the Court, so she probably needs Eglamore's permission for all of this anyway. |
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Post by migrantworker on Apr 28, 2020 11:43:12 GMT
- gives me an idea. Aata may outrank everyone on today's page, but he is himself outranked by a bigger Aata: one Tony Carver. Annies could, erm, go Down That Road and ask him for help. Would they though, if it comes to that? Depends. These shadow men are probably not here on a whim, but because they were sent by someone with some rank. I wouldn't count on Anthony having enough rank or pull to overrule whoever would be giving them their orders. Well, the danger zones were also to be evacuated on orders from higher up, if that's any indication. |
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