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Post by wies on Apr 1, 2020 7:03:57 GMT
So, really loved this short chapter! I don't think the Guide (who indeed looks now very much angelic) is Robot, just another bot. But we shall see. Wondering if the dawn represents Dannybot getting awake and all the visual stimulus with that. |
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Post by bicarbonat on Apr 1, 2020 7:24:25 GMT
Ok, pivoting my guess to Sky Watcher, given the placement of wings/appendages and the gentle devotion to the "angel". |
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Post by Toloc on Apr 1, 2020 7:29:17 GMT
Six wings heavily points to a Seraph bot, I think. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly." |
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Post by philman on Apr 1, 2020 7:29:49 GMT
Ok, pivoting my guess to Sky Watcher, given the placement of wings/appendages and the gentle devotion to the "angel". Good shout! I was coming here to say that the positions of those wings reminded me of something but I couldn't figure out what, but Sky Watcher fits it well! |
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Post by wies on Apr 1, 2020 7:33:38 GMT
Sky Watcher is a good idea, but I also think Toloc is on something here. The Guide's wings are arranged in so specific a manner that makes me think he is hinting it is a seraph bot. It makes sense. The serpah bots are the most devoted of all the robots and of course they would like to take the form of the human idea of their function.
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Post by Corvo on Apr 1, 2020 7:43:43 GMT
"Ever since the first computers, there have always been ghosts in the machine. Random segments of code that have grouped together to form unexpected protocols. Unanticipated, these free radicals engender questions of free will, creativity, and even the nature of what we might call the soul. Why is it that when some robots are left in darkness, they will seek out the light? Why is it that when robots are stored in an empty space, they will group together, rather than stand alone? How do we explain this behavior? Random segments of code? Or is it something more? When does a perceptual schematic become consciousness? When does a difference engine become the search for truth? When does a personality simulation become the bitter mote... of a soul?"
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Post by arf on Apr 1, 2020 8:07:57 GMT
The only trouble with our guide being a Seraph robot is that the Angel cast them out, and it's not clear they've been forgiven.
Except for Robot, that is...
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Post by Karretch on Apr 1, 2020 8:21:41 GMT
People have been saying since the beginning that the guide is likely Robby, whom some may have forgotten was originally a seraph. For Robot to take this form isn't too far fetched, only problem being so far the male-coded behavior and designs throughout the story.
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Post by wies on Apr 1, 2020 8:43:21 GMT
The only trouble with our guide being a Seraph robot is that the Angel cast them out, and it's not clear they've been forgiven. Except for Robot, that is... People have been saying since the beginning that the guide is likely Robby, whom some may have forgotten was originally a seraph. For Robot to take this form isn't too far fetched, only problem being so far the male-coded behavior and designs throughout the story. True! That is still possible. I just think if it was Robot, the Guide would be more intense and less placid. |
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 1, 2020 11:26:17 GMT
The only trouble with our guide being a Seraph robot is that the Angel cast them out, and it's not clear they've been forgiven. Except for Robot, that is... People have been saying since the beginning that the guide is likely Robby, whom some may have forgotten was originally a seraph. For Robot to take this form isn't too far fetched, only problem being so far the male-coded behavior and designs throughout the story. True! That is still possible. I just think if it was Robot, the Guide would be more intense and less placid. Placid? The guide's unctuous behaviour and face just annoyed the hell out of me. (I did like the chapter per se, but this guide figure might be my new no. 1 disliked character in this comic.)
By the way, I do not think the guide is a certain robot, but rather designed by a robot, most likely S13, the former prophetic Seraph.
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Post by migrantworker on Apr 1, 2020 12:02:14 GMT
I wonder to what extent are these personal oceans connected. The Guide's words can be interpreted as 'she gave us each a separate ocean'.
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Post by gideonwells on Apr 1, 2020 12:06:14 GMT
The only trouble with our guide being a Seraph robot is that the Angel cast them out, and it's not clear they've been forgiven. Except for Robot, that is... People have been saying since the beginning that the guide is likely Robby, whom some may have forgotten was originally a seraph. For Robot to take this form isn't too far fetched, only problem being so far the male-coded behavior and designs throughout the story. True! That is still possible. I just think if it was Robot, the Guide would be more intense and less placid. The male coding may not be as big of a deal here. In some traditions, angels are depicted as either genderless or androgynous. The seraphim here looks feminine, but how much of that is just due to the long hair? Skimming the chapter again there are times where they look like they could be flat-chested. Where it's possible just the wind or body movement with a very loose top that gives the impression of something on the chest. This could just be a very androgynous Robot. There's still the issue with the bucket bot thinking seraphim could have been Angel/Kat/"her", though. Unless bucket bot is just jumping to the same wrong conclusion we were making. Also for all of Robot's male coding, maybe Robot isn't male? Maybe they threw us, and the cast, a curveball when they had to decide their final form rather than settling for a useful one that they knew would be transitionary. |
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Post by mynie on Apr 1, 2020 12:25:42 GMT
I'm entirely convinced this is Robot. Compare speech patterns here with Robot's "how easily she took life and gave it away" speech to the other bots
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Post by sleepcircle on Apr 1, 2020 13:15:11 GMT
I wonder to what extent are these personal oceans connected. The Guide's words can be interpreted as 'she gave us each a separate ocean'. like the ocean in your head and the ocean in my head, these oceans are as connected as any one of us tries to make them, with our powers of communication, intuition, and empathy. |
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Post by fia on Apr 1, 2020 14:20:20 GMT
Ok, pivoting my guess to Sky Watcher, given the placement of wings/appendages and the gentle devotion to the "angel". Tom's comment on this page does suggest that Sky Watcher is derived from S1, the original Seraph. |
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Post by saardvark on Apr 1, 2020 15:35:12 GMT
Ok, pivoting my guess to Sky Watcher, given the placement of wings/appendages and the gentle devotion to the "angel". Tom's comment on this page does suggest that Sky Watcher is derived from S1, the original Seraph. doesnt the comment just mean that S1 is physically in the room, still paying homage to the Jeanne portrait (panel 3)? |
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Post by saardvark on Apr 1, 2020 15:40:26 GMT
I wonder to what extent are these personal oceans connected. The Guide's words can be interpreted as 'she gave us each a separate ocean'. like the ocean in your head and the ocean in my head, these oceans are as connected as any one of us tries to make them, with our powers of communication, intuition, and empathy. that's something the converted robots will be losing I guess... as robots, it was possible to directly connect one-to-the-other (by cables, or wireless connection) to directly share data/thoughts, etc. Now they are stuck with slower, less efficient, more prone to error organic means... communication, intuition, and empathy, as you said so well. |
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Post by Eversist on Apr 1, 2020 15:41:42 GMT
Why does the angel have to be a pre-existing character in disguise? My money's on it being a program Kat has written to display in the way that would help the robot with the transition the most. Tom's comment on this page does suggest that Sky Watcher is derived from S1, the original Seraph. doesnt the comment just mean that S1 is physically in the room, still paying homage to the Jeanne portrait (panel 3)? Yes. |
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Post by sleepcircle on Apr 1, 2020 15:59:22 GMT
that's something the converted robots will be losing I guess... as robots, it was possible to directly connect one-to-the-other (by cables, or wireless connection) to directly share data/thoughts, etc. Now they are stuck with slower, less efficient, more prone to error organic means... communication, intuition, and empathy, as you said so well. Less efficient but, in some ways, capable of communicating much more information than we realize—and intuition is such a remarkable power that army researchers are still trying to figure out a way to induce/reproduce it. |
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Post by wies on Apr 1, 2020 17:02:30 GMT
that's something the converted robots will be losing I guess... as robots, it was possible to directly connect one-to-the-other (by cables, or wireless connection) to directly share data/thoughts, etc. Now they are stuck with slower, less efficient, more prone to error organic means... communication, intuition, and empathy, as you said so well. Less efficient but, in some ways, capable of communicating much more information than we realize—and intuition is such a remarkable power that army researchers are still trying to figure out a way to induce/reproduce it. That sounds interesting! Can you link to some sources on that? |
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Post by Runningflame on Apr 1, 2020 17:58:23 GMT
Robot's original model series is a " Seraph". ... Although, given that biblical seraphim are said to have six wings, it's an odd name for a robot that only has two. Called it? Anyway, I love this page, and I think it's very certain now that this is either Robot or one of the other Seraph models. Leaning toward Robot because, as arf says, it's unclear whether Kat would ask the other Seraphs to help with her work again. And by it "being" Robot or whoever, I mean that it's an avatar or icon representing the part of Robot that has intruded into Pipebot's consciousness. It isn't all of Robot's consciousness, of course, because he (?) too is now an ocean. But I also don't think that it's some subroutine created by or separate from Robot. This is Robot, in the same way that my Runningflame account here is me--just not all of me. ... Which also may say something to the gender question. I'm male, but if I want to have a female avatar online, I can. Similarly, maybe Robot is male, but wanted an "angelic" representation because seraphim are angels (though it's still odd to give that impression but insist "I am not an angel") and had an idea that angels were female and therefore chose to appear that way. |
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Post by ctso74 on Apr 1, 2020 18:55:32 GMT
Many of our guesses may be answered on Friday. The bonus page has to be something. Maybe, Robot nodding and saying something sacerdotal, like '... and it was good'?
Or, a progress bar going from 98% to 100&, with a little chici blonde seraphim for an icon? Probably not, but it would be adorable.
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Post by sleepcircle on Apr 1, 2020 19:55:33 GMT
That sounds interesting! Can you link to some sources on that?
ignore the mention of "sixth senses" and ESP, in the first article; that's just a bit of journalistic liberty
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Post by manabi on Apr 2, 2020 1:20:27 GMT
Why does the angel have to be a pre-existing character in disguise? My money's on it being a program Kat has written to display in the way that would help the robot with the transition the most. I think it's more likely to be a program Robot created, or at least one that he had significant input into. It's easy to see Kat asking him to handle on-boarding the robots to their new bodies, because he's already gone through the experience and worked closely with her as she developed all this. No other robot knows as much about it. The angelic look of the guide, as well as the way the guide talks fits quite well with Robot as well. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Apr 2, 2020 1:46:09 GMT
Tutorials for modern video games are getting weird
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 2, 2020 5:07:43 GMT
Okay, let's reel off all the clues... The not-angel says she is a representation interfaced into pipe-bot's mind. She said, "We regret" which implies that she views herself as, at least nominally, one of the individuals that are responsible for the robot-embodying but she also says "many of you" when referring to Pipe-bot, which means she doesn't include herself in with the regular Court robots. Then she says "the angel is working with your ancient ancestors" which would appear to mean that she isn't one of the ancient ancestors but doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't see herself as a descendant of the ancient robots too. "This is the real gift the angel is giving us" and later when she says "gave us" would appear to mean that she is a robot or perhaps an AI who got or will get a body, yet not a Court robot (see above), though she doesn't answer when the pipe robot asks her specifically if she was a robot. Her appearance itself may be a clue; she seems female (though that isn't an absolute certainty) whereas Robot identifies as a male. Male angels exist so I don't think that it would be necessary for Robot to appear as female just to be comforting. And then there's the six wings. The fact that this is a virtual world or symbolic representation makes it impossible to be sure but I think the most likely probability is that the not-angel is a seraph type robot but not Robot himself. I think that would fit with the dialogue; I think Robot would be a little more hardcore about hyping Kat (though he would probably tone it down to this level if he knew Kat or some other human might be monitoring or would review the conversation later). Tutorials for modern video games are getting weird I would pay money to see a shill game jouno attempt this particular tutorial. |
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Post by Eversist on Apr 2, 2020 7:19:07 GMT
Thanks imaginaryfriend! I think the wing configuration is the most convincing bit, but other parts make sense as well. Thanks for spelling it out.  |
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 2, 2020 8:37:34 GMT
True! That is still possible. I just think if it was Robot, the Guide would be more intense and less placid. The male coding may not be as big of a deal here. In some traditions, angels are depicted as either genderless or androgynous. The seraphim here looks feminine, but how much of that is just due to the long hair? Skimming the chapter again there are times where they look like they could be flat-chested. Where it's possible just the wind or body movement with a very loose top that gives the impression of something on the chest. This could just be a very androgynous Robot. There's still the issue with the bucket bot thinking seraphim could have been Angel/Kat/"her", though. Unless bucket bot is just jumping to the same wrong conclusion we were making. Also for all of Robot's male coding, maybe Robot isn't male? Maybe they threw us, and the cast, a curveball when they had to decide their final form rather than settling for a useful one that they knew would be transitionary. |
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Post by warrl on Apr 2, 2020 19:20:23 GMT
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