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Post by theonethatgotaway on Mar 27, 2020 7:18:36 GMT
I gotta say, the artwork these last few updates is gorgeous. It kinda reminds me of the story of Jones. That too were weeks of beautiful pages, which changed our comprehension week by week. |
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Post by migrantworker on Mar 27, 2020 7:36:37 GMT
Hey look, there's plenty of fish in the ocean!
...and they all look alike.
I wonder now, is this the pipe bot's new form drawn several times - or could it be that we were following only one of several transformations running in parallel which erm, just happened to lead to very similar results?
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Post by philman on Mar 27, 2020 7:37:58 GMT
I gotta say, the artwork these last few updates is gorgeous. It kinda reminds me of the story of Jones. That too were weeks of beautiful pages, which changed our comprehension week by week. Aw man I remember experiencing those pages as they were slowly revealed day by day. That was a wonderful time in the comic. Re-reading them they are still amazing pages, but it is missing some of the sense of wonder that came at the slow reveal. Something only a webcomic can provide! |
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Post by philman on Mar 27, 2020 7:39:25 GMT
Hey look, there's plenty of fish in the ocean! ...and they all look alike. I wonder now, is this the pipe bot's new form drawn several times - or could it be that we were following only one of several transformations running in parallel which erm, just happened to lead to very similar results? I think they represent the multiple thoughts that can be held in the mind at once, flitting in different directions but then coming back together to form the conciousness as a whole. |
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Post by wies on Mar 27, 2020 8:35:42 GMT
"Creativity. Desire. Conviction."
Hmm, are these new parts though?
Creation, but bots already made a banner with the image of a Tictoc.
Desire, Arthur already desired love before he became human.
Conviction, well, you hardly get to lead a new religion without some conviction, isn't that right, Robot?
Anyway, enjoying how these fish look like tiny cute whales.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 27, 2020 10:39:05 GMT
"Creativity. Desire. Conviction." Hmm, are these new parts though? Creation, but bots already made a banner with the image of a Tictoc. Desire, Arthur already desired love before he became human. Conviction, well, you hardly get to lead a new religion without some conviction, isn't that right, Robot? Anyway, enjoying how these fish look like tiny cute whales. I've also had these questions. People in-comic as well as in the forum are claiming that only getting new bodies would give the robots such things, but they have them already, so what's the point? Another thing they would be supposedly getting: Free will. Hah. They already have that as well, if they didn't there would be no robot story arc. It's not even like with Star Trek's Data (most famous robot desiring to be human I can think of), who at least did not have emotions (for most of his life). The GKC robots were often shown to have emotions as well. Looking back to when S13 got his organic arm, it seems to me the robots mostly just lack the physical sensations an organic body provides.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 27, 2020 11:46:56 GMT
Hey look, there's plenty of fish in the ocean! ...and they all look alike. I wonder now, is this the pipe bot's new form drawn several times - or could it be that we were following only one of several transformations running in parallel which erm, just happened to lead to very similar results? I think they represent the multiple thoughts that can be held in the mind at once, flitting in different directions but then coming back together to form the conciousness as a whole. I think that what we the readers are looking at is the robots' creation story, a collaborative effort of the robots who were and are becoming embodied, the not-angel, the actual angel aka Kat, the old model robots to some extent or other, and whoever else talked to the robots after they woke up and helped them solidify the ideas about what the experience was. "Creativity. Desire. Conviction." Hmm, are these new parts though? Creation, but bots already made a banner with the image of a Tictoc. Desire, Arthur already desired love before he became human. Conviction, well, you hardly get to lead a new religion without some conviction, isn't that right, Robot? Anyway, enjoying how these fish look like tiny cute whales. I've also had these questions. People in-comic as well as in the forum are claiming that only getting new bodies would give the robots such things, but they have them already, so what's the point? Another thing they would be supposedly getting: Free will. Hah. They already have that as well, if they didn't there would be no robot story arc. It's not even like with Star Trek's Data (most famous robot desiring to be human I can think of), who at least did not have emotions (for most of his life). The GKC robots were often shown to have emotions as well. Looking back to when S13 got his organic arm, it seems to me the robots mostly just lack the physical sensations an organic body provides.
They had a sort of free will before but they did have programming; I assume not all robots wrote programs for robots and if they were deviant enough they'd be disembodied and studied. They could also be mistaken about stuff but they just didn't have enough latitude to generate something like what this chapter has been about. The physical sensations are important too, now they'll have to worry about what sense inputs to ignore and from those heuristics (as well as the others mentioned on this page) we get something like a human mind. I'm curious to see how the etheric bureaucracy reacts to this, if all this is sufficient or if there needs to be a new 'pomp or what. |
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 27, 2020 13:22:08 GMT
"Creativity. Desire. Conviction." Hmm, are these new parts though? Creation, but bots already made a banner with the image of a Tictoc. Desire, Arthur already desired love before he became human. Conviction, well, you hardly get to lead a new religion without some conviction, isn't that right, Robot? Anyway, enjoying how these fish look like tiny cute whales. I've also had these questions. People in-comic as well as in the forum are claiming that only getting new bodies would give the robots such things, but they have them already, so what's the point? Another thing they would be supposedly getting: Free will. Hah. They already have that as well, if they didn't there would be no robot story arc. It's not even like with Star Trek's Data (most famous robot desiring to be human I can think of), who at least did not have emotions (for most of his life). The GKC robots were often shown to have emotions as well. Looking back to when S13 got his organic arm, it seems to me the robots mostly just lack the physical sensations an organic body provides.
Perhaps, it's both the robots' bodies and programing that's the cause. Some of the first robots may have been allowed to go this far, but their hardware couldn't deal with it, leading to complete dysfunction or self-destruction (e.g. Cruisebot). Programmatic rate limiters could have been coded in, to ensure robots could interact with humans and still serve them. That would allow robots to have those functions, but unable to "fully" explore them. Kat might be updating their hardware and removing the rate limiters, allowing them to more deeply explore what they've only had a shallow view of, till now. |
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Post by electricguitarsolo on Mar 27, 2020 13:34:34 GMT
I gotta say, that's some pretty heavy-handed angel imagery for a not-angel.
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Post by Per on Mar 27, 2020 15:39:53 GMT
Waiting for the page where the non-angel volunteers that the deep mind is also a reliable supplier of fear, doubt and self-sabotage.
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Post by wies on Mar 27, 2020 17:34:02 GMT
About what the robots could gain with a new body and mind: One of the changes is indeed physical sensations. But they would also be freed from the Court's reach.
If they can put in secret programming in your head that makes you lose consciousness, you aren't free.
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Post by Runningflame on Mar 27, 2020 18:51:13 GMT
Theory: This chapter is an exposition of Renard's earlier cryptic statement, "The mind is nothing but a plaything of the body." (Which is from a chapter about robots, in which Robot's mind is heavily affected by being loaded into a different body.) In giving the robots new bodies, Kat is also giving them new minds, which are able to expand far beyond their previous capacity because of the new sensations and abilities their physical changes bring. |
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Post by AluK on Mar 27, 2020 19:16:34 GMT
Waiting for the page where the non-angel volunteers that the deep mind is also a reliable supplier of fear, doubt and self-sabotage.  |
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 28, 2020 11:50:05 GMT
About what the robots could gain with a new body and mind: One of the changes is indeed physical sensations. But they would also be freed from the Court's reach. If they can put in secret programming in your head that makes you lose consciousness, you aren't free. |
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Post by wies on Mar 28, 2020 17:24:48 GMT
True. But at least it would lessen the Court's control. And who knows? Perhaps the bodies the robots are growing and acquiring might be more than just human bodies.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 29, 2020 11:08:56 GMT
True. But at least it would lessen the Court's control. And who knows? Perhaps the bodies the robots are growing and acquiring might be more than just human bodies. Well, I stand by my recent assessment that S13's and Arthur's newest bodies are (mostly) not even organic. |
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Post by Runningflame on Mar 29, 2020 16:07:43 GMT
A bit off-topic, but man that page suddenly freaks me out: the Court portrayed as all-seeing, impossible to escape, omniscient and omnipresent--godlike. Coyote was right. |
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Post by fia on Mar 30, 2020 3:23:18 GMT
All those fishlike things make me thing of the Jungian collective unconscious.
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Post by fia on Mar 30, 2020 3:24:23 GMT
All those fishlike things make me thing of the Jungian collective unconscious. Oh yeah. I literally just did a Google search for "collective unconscious Jung fish" and there's a quote from Jung and everything. |
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