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Post by arf on Mar 18, 2020 7:05:38 GMT
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Mar 18, 2020 7:08:01 GMT
Man, this is really not feeling cool at all anymore. "Hey, little guy, we're giving you a choice! BTW, your choice, ain't really a choice, this is happening. Oh, and you know, gently easing you into it? Nah man, deep dive, sink or swim, buck-o!"
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Post by caber on Mar 18, 2020 7:10:56 GMT
I am suddenly reminded of being dropped into the deep end of a swimming pool as a child in order to learn how to swim.
It was likewise a deeply unpleasant experience.
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Post by Futurismo on Mar 18, 2020 7:14:51 GMT
Man, this is really not feeling cool at all anymore. "Hey, little guy, we're giving you a choice! BTW, your choice, ain't really a choice, this is happening. Oh, and you know, gently easing you into it? Nah man, deep dive, sink or swim, buck-o!" I think this is just another case of the mental and emotional impact of the transformation being lost on Kat, like when she first gave Robot an arm that could feel things like pain organically. The information is overwhelming, so much that you could drown in it.
Robot just interprets this as a religious experience and is like "This is perfect. You don't need to tweak anything."
And Kat's just like "You sure? Don't think the experience is too intense?"
And Robot's just like "More sensory input for mental stimulation during the initial transition would be appreciated, I feel." Something like that. |
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Post by csj on Mar 18, 2020 7:41:00 GMT
"I know what you're thinking, 'cause right now I'm thinking the same thing. Actually, I've been thinking it ever since I got here: Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill?"
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 18, 2020 10:33:16 GMT
After some reflection I think I'd like to see a page devoted to some transitional-states with the robot before this sim/visual metaphor wraps up with the robot in their new body. Despite the cries for help the robot should retain some important skills/perform similar processes from whatever body they had before; they had eyes, arms, and legs, so after some initial drowning in sense-input the 2d 1st person robot icon should (I'd think) begin to "flesh out" in interesting ways as they adapt system-by-system. I'm curious as to how Mr. Siddell would represent that (I can make some educated guesses based on what Robot went through but as always I could be wrong). |
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Post by migrantworker on Mar 18, 2020 13:44:32 GMT
A certain tool is known to help with 2d-to-3d transitions as well. |
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 18, 2020 13:52:18 GMT
I suppose, when context matters greatly, "help" is a relative term. *insert political joke here*
There may be some parallels, between Loup being born and these robots "ascending". Big differences, but some existential similarities.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 18, 2020 15:14:48 GMT
A certain tool is known to help with 2d-to-3d transitions as well. Hmmm... It might be able to cut the robot's consciousness out of the code but not being an independent entity to begin with I'm not sure if it could exist long, at least not in its current form with its current functionality. If it was reconfigured so that it was an eating, drinking virtual entity (or otherwise replenishing itself from the environment) then The Tooth might be able to cut it free of the rest of the system and go on indefinitely. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Mar 18, 2020 18:32:19 GMT
I'm starting to like "the Not-An-Angel is actually Boxbot" theory. She is just terrible.
I like how the Bucket Bot is literally getting frayed at the edges.
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Post by migrantworker on Mar 18, 2020 18:57:54 GMT
A certain tool is known to help with 2d-to-3d transitions as well. Hmmm... It might be able to cut the robot's consciousness out of the code but not being an independent entity to begin with I'm not sure if it could exist long, at least not in its current form with its current functionality. If it was reconfigured so that it was an eating, drinking virtual entity (or otherwise replenishing itself from the environment) then The Tooth might be able to cut it free of the rest of the system and go on indefinitely. Well, Shadow did develop new needs after becoming 3-dimensional. Panel 1 here implies that he did not even have to eat prior to that. In this sense he was quite similar to robots, which seem to just keep going on proverbial unicorn farts - I don't recall any mention on how their energy is replenished, or even of a need for such a thing. So there is a precedent; I wonder to what extent it is relevant. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 18, 2020 20:13:02 GMT
Hmmm... It might be able to cut the robot's consciousness out of the code but not being an independent entity to begin with I'm not sure if it could exist long, at least not in its current form with its current functionality. If it was reconfigured so that it was an eating, drinking virtual entity (or otherwise replenishing itself from the environment) then The Tooth might be able to cut it free of the rest of the system and go on indefinitely. Well, Shadow did develop new needs after becoming 3-dimensional. Panel 1 here implies that he did not even have to eat prior to that. In this sense he was quite similar to robots, which seem to just keep going on proverbial unicorn farts - I don't recall any mention on how their energy is replenished, or even of a need for such a thing. So there is a precedent; I wonder to what extent it is relevant. Diego's robots, being golems at heart, really do run on unicorn farts (aka the ether via etheric tech) so it would seem to follow that their heirs would be designed with an eye for something that they could build that would either never need replenishment or minimize it as much as possible. Kat was already at least somewhat familiar with modern Court robots when she had the chance to examine Diego's robots (this was before Ch. 21 *Blinking so she didn't believe in magic at that point and she hadn't quite noticed the suspicious bump on the CPUs); she couldn't figure out Diego's tech yet but she didn't seem at all mystified or puzzled by the current Court robots. In fact, she assumed that Antimony had already built a robot. So, the current Court robots would probably have to use a power source that Kat was either familiar with or thought she understood and didn't bother to closely examine until later, and it would have been something simple enough that someone not as sharp as she was could've also applied it. That would suggest either something like wireless power transfer (preferably broad-field so the robots could work indefinitely wherever they need to in the Court) or failing that, some sort of localized fast recharging that would minimize downtime whenever a robot passes through a recharge point or, if even failing that, a fast-charge point where/when a robot touches a particular device. We did get a brief glimpse at the robots' (semi)secret facilities in Ch. 12 and they are big enough for any of those or possibly something else I haven't thought of. "What I haven't yet thought of yet" includes the possible knowledge of etheric tech by the original Court robots. We're not sure what the limits of their understanding was at what point. |
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Post by migrantworker on Mar 19, 2020 9:18:11 GMT
Well, Shadow did develop new needs after becoming 3-dimensional. Panel 1 here implies that he did not even have to eat prior to that. In this sense he was quite similar to robots, which seem to just keep going on proverbial unicorn farts - I don't recall any mention on how their energy is replenished, or even of a need for such a thing. So there is a precedent; I wonder to what extent it is relevant. Diego's robots, being golems at heart, really do run on unicorn farts (aka the ether via etheric tech) so it would seem to follow that their heirs would be designed with an eye for something that they could build that would either never need replenishment or minimize it as much as possible. Kat was already at least somewhat familiar with modern Court robots when she had the chance to examine Diego's robots (this was before Ch. 21 *Blinking so she didn't believe in magic at that point and she hadn't quite noticed the suspicious bump on the CPUs); she couldn't figure out Diego's tech yet but she didn't seem at all mystified or puzzled by the current Court robots. In fact, she assumed that Antimony had already built a robot. So, the current Court robots would probably have to use a power source that Kat was either familiar with or thought she understood and didn't bother to closely examine until later, and it would have been something simple enough that someone not as sharp as she was could've also applied it. That would suggest either something like wireless power transfer (preferably broad-field so the robots could work indefinitely wherever they need to in the Court) or failing that, some sort of localized fast recharging that would minimize downtime whenever a robot passes through a recharge point or, if even failing that, a fast-charge point where/when a robot touches a particular device. We did get a brief glimpse at the robots' (semi)secret facilities in Ch. 12 and they are big enough for any of those or possibly something else I haven't thought of. "What I haven't yet thought of yet" includes the possible knowledge of etheric tech by the original Court robots. We're not sure what the limits of their understanding was at what point. Hmm. On the other hand, there is no mention of Arthur's new body needing to be fed, or energised in any other way. And being a robot, he should be a much closer analogy to what happens with other robots undergoing the transition. So unicorn farts of some description it is. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 19, 2020 12:31:42 GMT
If there is remote powering and etheric-tech is involved in a cryptic way nobody knows about that may bode ill for any plans of robots who want to leave the Court. If that's the case hopefully Art will last a human-lifetime or so after he leaves else it might be tragic. And then if his body is ever returned to the Court he might wake up again at a point in time where he wouldn't want to.
Back to the topic, it might mean that a robot AI cut free of its code would be granted independence and might last in the Court but not someplace else where the unicorn farts aren't as concentrated; still thinking that it wouldn't grow limbs or a mouth since that's not something that it could do before (like Shadow could, as he was a shadow-man) however that might be something that could be solved by reskinning before cutting.
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Post by netherdan on Mar 19, 2020 13:59:52 GMT
Next page: turns into a whale
Androids have whale dreams whenever their humanoid bodies are sleeping
Edit: changed Robots to Androids but the term still feels incorrect
Edit 2: Golem is taken by their ancestors and also wouldn't fit; Androids are just Uncanny Valley robots; What would you name something grown from synthetic material made organic with artificial mind and possibly a soul? Is Kat creating homunculi?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 19, 2020 15:04:36 GMT
Next page: turns into a whale[.] Androids have whale dreams whenever their humanoid bodies are sleeping I am also hoping to see some intermediate phase transformations of our currently 2d friend. Kinda hoping that we won't jump directly to whale, at least not at first. Not sure about the dreams bit but I think it could happen at least two possible ways. Golem is taken by their ancestors and also wouldn't fit; Androids are just Uncanny Valley robots; What would you name something grown from synthetic material made organic with artificial mind and possibly a soul? Is Kat creating homunculi? They're hybrids right now. I guess "synth" is as good as anything. As they continue to increase in numbers and modify themselves they will probably wind up as something else in relatively short order (compared to how other species evolve) based on what they and the humans around them consider valuable and useful, and there is no guarantee that they'll all go in the same direction. Humanity's (possible) creation of/ongoing impact on the ether will probably try to "fit" them into other established channels of thought and belief so this current type of synth is probably a future common-ancestor of other species with resemblance to mythic-but-nonexistent beings. What some of their descendants are like in 200-300yrs would be an interesting subject for a short comic, I'd think. |
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