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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 22, 2019 7:02:31 GMT
Next comic after this, they wake up Arthur? (nah, needs more dramatic suspense) |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Apr 22, 2019 7:17:08 GMT
So, we've seen how Coyote gets around the Soma problem with forest creatures transferring to human bodies, by putting their souls in little totems. And so far, Robot switching bodies has just been a matter of swapping his CPU. No big deal. But a new brain means dealing with this problem - if you just copy Arthur's CPU into the new brain, you in fact have two Arthurs, one of which is left in the old body. Without a way to transfer Arthur's "essence" that is. I wonder if they've figured out the tech version of Coyote's totem solution yet...
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Post by madjack on Apr 22, 2019 7:17:39 GMT
I bet Kat's screen program is named PlotDevice.exe Edit: No, Monolith.exe So, we've seen how Coyote gets around the Soma problem with forest creatures transferring to human bodies, by putting their souls in little totems. And so far, Robot switching bodies has just been a matter of swapping his CPU. No big deal. But a new brain means dealing with this problem - if you just copy Arthur's CPU into the new brain, you in fact have two Arthurs, one of which is left in the old body. Without a way to transfer Arthur's "essence" that is. I wonder if they've figured out the tech version of Coyote's totem solution yet... Reverse engineering the soul-trapping parts of the arrow seems a good bet. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 22, 2019 7:23:43 GMT
Gotta say, it's a good thing that there are two real Antimonies around. Otherwise the forum might get drawn into a debate around Robot's consciousness being real or not after a complete change in form. [edit] Philosophical problems? Moral implications? Pft. [/edit]
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Post by jda on Apr 22, 2019 7:30:23 GMT
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Post by Corvo on Apr 22, 2019 10:49:54 GMT
This will all end in tears.
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Post by netherdan on Apr 22, 2019 11:40:40 GMT
So, we've seen how Coyote gets around the Soma problem with forest creatures transferring to human bodies, by putting their souls in little totems. And so far, Robot switching bodies has just been a matter of swapping his CPU. No big deal. But a new brain means dealing with this problem - if you just copy Arthur's CPU into the new brain, you in fact have two Arthurs, one of which is left in the old body. Without a way to transfer Arthur's "essence" that is. I wonder if they've figured out the tech version of Coyote's totem solution yet... Reverse engineering the soul-trapping parts of the arrow seems a good bet. I was going to point out that we've missed the whole philosophical discussion on the ethics of mind transfer and the figuring out of the way to avoid the creation of yet another duplicate self but you guys seem to have it figured out in two comments so this might go just fine, I guess... Unless Juliette's excessive happiness means things will go terribly wrong and the transfer disrupts the shield in such a way that it will either "kill" all the robots, transfer them all to Arthur's new body or just allow Loup to breach it and break stuff (which the first two would also allow this to happen but more dramatically) The second option sounds more interesting. Like: "We are sorry, human lady, we are not your Arthur. Not anymore. We can tell that the part of us that was Arthur still loves you but we are so much more now... We do not know how to convey this to you. Maybe only our Angel could understand us right now" This will all end in tears. I agree |
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Post by artezzatrigger on Apr 22, 2019 11:47:18 GMT
Wondering now if a contract is going to be forced on Kat.
"You gave this thing life, you better clean up if it dies."
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Post by netherdan on Apr 22, 2019 12:04:33 GMT
Wondering now if a contract is going to be forced on Kat. "You gave this thing life, you better clean up if it dies." Ooh so the Angel is not a Robot Goddess after all, just a Robot Psychopomp... That's... underwhelming |
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Post by madjack on Apr 22, 2019 12:07:09 GMT
Wondering now if a contract is going to be forced on Kat. "You gave this thing life, you better clean up if it dies." Ooh so the Angel is not a Robot Goddess after all, just a Robot Psychopomp... That's... underwhelming I think that'll end up being Annie's job. Kat will make them equals with humankind in life, Annie in death. I don't want to think too hard about how the latter would happen. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 22, 2019 12:14:20 GMT
I don't want to think too hard about how the latter would happen. Until it became a generally accepted thing I think it'd have to be done in secret. But yeah, that should work. |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Apr 22, 2019 12:14:31 GMT
This will all end in tears. I've seen enough tragedies to see where this MIGHT be going... None of it is good in the end |
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Post by todd on Apr 22, 2019 12:36:12 GMT
or just allow Loup to breach it and break stuff (which the first two would also allow this to happen but more dramatically) I'd wondered myself whether waking Arthur up could interfere with the force field, though since Loup's already found another way into the Court, it might not matter that much. |
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Post by Zox Tomana on Apr 22, 2019 12:58:24 GMT
Ooh so the Angel is not a Robot Goddess after all, just a Robot Psychopomp... That's... underwhelming I think that'll end up being Annie's job. Kat will make them equals with humankind in life, Annie in death. I don't want to think too hard about how the latter would happen. I like this theory. |
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Post by ctso74 on Apr 22, 2019 14:15:55 GMT
Arthur: *wakes in new brain* "AH! THE VOID! All encompassing. Never ending. There's nothing when we're turned off! Nothing. Nothing! Ah! Ahhhh!"
Kat: *chuckles* "All the test robots did the same thing. What a weird error message, right?"
Carver Twins: "... "
We really don't have much info, on the tests and prep that Kat has done. This could go terribly wrong, or it could go smoothly. Of course, everything going right could be the real horror.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 22, 2019 14:52:52 GMT
Antimony could fill in for a while to get things moving but they would need a permanent robot 'pomp. Robot would probably do wonderfully well and if he needs backup there's the rest of the seraphs who would likely jump at the chance.
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Post by shadow3 on Apr 22, 2019 16:44:00 GMT
IT'S HAPPENING!!!!!!!! Wait, so Arthur will essentially be like Data from Star Trek: TNG? |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Apr 22, 2019 17:02:35 GMT
She just had to say, "Wake him up," didn't she? That immediately makes me think of the big green guy with bolts in his neck. Um, I'm sure he'll be better than that. Robot looks like a cross between a Cyberman and the Tin Man, so Lt. Com. Data would be the next logical step up. |
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Post by tustin2121 on Apr 22, 2019 17:18:08 GMT
I enjoy that what used to be cutaways for explanations about internal workings are now diegetic thanks to Kat's computer. I mean, I understand, if I had a computer that could do whatever I wanted and that I could take anywhere, I'd use it all the time as well. |
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Post by Eve Swann on Apr 22, 2019 19:59:00 GMT
Um, I'm sure he'll be better than that. Robot looks like a cross between a Cyberman and the Tin Man, so Lt. Com. Data would be the next logical step up. If he only had a heart...*Remembers Shadow* Oh wait, nevermind.  |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 22, 2019 20:12:45 GMT
I enjoy that what used to be cutaways for explanations about internal workings are now diegetic thanks to Kat's computer. I mean, I understand, if I had a computer that could do whatever I wanted and that I could take anywhere, I'd use it all the time as well. If I could do that I'd just be the computer. |
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 23, 2019 0:47:10 GMT
I don't want to think too hard about how the latter would happen. Until it became a generally accepted thing I think it'd have to be done in secret. But yeah, that should work. They want organic bodies. Organic bodies die. The robots already buried one burnt experiment of Kat's, calling it "the first one of us to die a proper death". Still, I am 99.9% sure Tom said the robots do not have psychopomps and do not influence the Ether because they do not have souls. I somehow do not think organic bodies would magically make souls appear. |
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Post by dramastix on Apr 23, 2019 1:57:21 GMT
Somehow, I've made it this far through the comic without my medical ethics alarm bells going off, but where's an IRB when you need one? If we're talking about making these guys closer to human, they deserve the protections of review for safety and benefit versus risk -
Stop me before I spiral into conversations about beneficence vs. justice.
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Post by dramastix on Apr 23, 2019 2:06:35 GMT
Until it became a generally accepted thing I think it'd have to be done in secret. But yeah, that should work. They want organic bodies. Organic bodies die. The robots already buried one burnt experiment of Kat's, calling it "the first one of us to die a proper death". Still, I am 99.9% sure Tom said the robots do not have psychopomps and do not influence the Ether because they do not have souls. I somehow do not think organic bodies would magically make souls appear. But in this universe, really, what is responsible for souls? Robot encountered an entirely new level of sensation in New Data ("New Data," "New Contract"...), that appears to have broadened his mind significantly. And in The Great Secret, we see Coyote's explanation for the creation of Gods. We never really find out where the Psychopomps come from, but did they exist in the ether before people were populating it with gods and sprites and whatever else, and if not, did humanity create their own souls? And could the robots, given enough creative energy? |
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Post by warrl on Apr 23, 2019 2:33:14 GMT
Or, if things reach the point where humans cannot reliably distinguish between humans and robots, will humans create the robots' souls?
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 23, 2019 11:53:22 GMT
Or, if things reach the point where humans cannot reliably distinguish between humans and robots, will humans create the robots' souls? Actually, I asked myself this question after my post here, and moved it into the wildspec. |
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Post by liminal on Apr 23, 2019 14:49:57 GMT
Wildspec: the transferrance works as intended, Arthur and Juliette live happily together.
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Post by DonDueed on Apr 23, 2019 18:08:22 GMT
Wildspec: the transferrance works as intended, Arthur and Juliette live happily together. What?! You monster! |
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Post by mordekai on Apr 23, 2019 19:18:07 GMT
I smell a catastrophe incoming... They may awaken something hidden inside the robots' psyche, or they may create a copy but leaving the original behind... or they may just fail and kill Arthur...
Wasn't the Court supposed to strongly oppose anything that made robots closer to humans? And they know about Kat's work (even if she presents it as development of prostetics...). The gang is risking a big mean hammer falling on them...
And of course, we have robo-prophet Robot, who may do something desperate to awaken his fellows...
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Post by blazingstar on Apr 23, 2019 20:07:16 GMT
Ooh so the Angel is not a Robot Goddess after all, just a Robot Psychopomp... That's... underwhelming "Just" a Psychopomp? Psychopomps are a pretty big deal, and although they may not be seen as holding the same status as Gods (holding themselves to bureaucratic rules, as opposed to treating the world as their plaything), they're extremely powerful. I don't Gods are a higher level of being compared to Psychopomp. I think they're just different types. And Kat, as another commenter pointed out, will be a new psychopomp of souls that don't affect the Ether, and therefore won't be held to the ROTD's rules at all. She will COMPLETELY CONTROL the creation, birth, and afterlife of these beings. I'd say that's very much whelming. |
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