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Post by Timberwere on Apr 8, 2019 7:04:09 GMT
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Post by arf on Apr 8, 2019 7:05:31 GMT
...until they were.
I would like to know what Cvet was *supposed* to be doing with Annies.
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Post by madjack on Apr 8, 2019 7:06:07 GMT
"And the award for most judgmental eyebrows goes to... Paz Cadena-Blanco!"
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Post by Gemini Jim on Apr 8, 2019 7:13:00 GMT
So, I guess Paz is satisfied? Although, a thumbs up could also mean " the loser should be stabbed upward."  I also like the look between Cvet and Rey. I wonder what, if anything, they're saying. "So what are you supposed to be?" "I'm actually a fox spirit trapped in a stuffed doll. It's complicated." EDIT: I suppose it could be bad if Cvet is closely related to Sivo. "So, um.... possess any good bodies lately?" |
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Post by merry76 on Apr 8, 2019 7:13:23 GMT
...until they were. I would like to know what Cvet was *supposed* to be doing with Annies. It would have been something subtle. Apearing in person would have triggered a "Its an Orjack, they are cool" response.
Cvet did listen in on them, so maybe some "Environmental Dangers"? Flooding or something...
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 8, 2019 7:16:22 GMT
I would like to know what Cvet was *supposed* to be doing with Annies. There is a state of emergency in the Court so in addition to being the big bad in whatever was planned Cvet was also there as an associate Court Protector. I'm writing a longer post for an older thread in which I'll put more thoughts down about this. Was writing it and lost track of the update time, actually. [edit] Can't organize thoughts succinctly at 4am so will save essay on The Plan in wordpad and finish/post later. Short version: Parley has if anything learned wrong lesson, the problem wasn't so much the location as a failure to plan for contingencies. [/edit] |
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Post by Eily on Apr 8, 2019 8:23:00 GMT
Kat wouldn't have approved if she knew it was dangerous. I don't know what could have given her the first clue, the emergency state, or the fact that she was sending them underground right after learning they were being attacked from under...
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Post by madjack on Apr 8, 2019 8:29:12 GMT
Some more thoughts: Perhaps there was some 'official' sanction for all this, i.e. the Court wanting to find out what the hell the deal with the two of them was just as much as their friends did, the way Parley talks about approval and all. Second, the more I look at panel 7 and 8 the more worried I get that the 'Carver Twins' are going to play off each other's toxicity. Annie already has a history of ' running around like she owns the place', so it's a fair bet they're going to enable each other for both good and bad before they get a handle on themselves (again). |
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Post by csj on Apr 8, 2019 8:56:21 GMT
'You have my approval for the acceptance of hugs from GF'
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Post by keef on Apr 8, 2019 9:50:26 GMT
Looks like an end of chapter page, but it isn't. Now I'm curious. Well, even more so than usual.
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Post by saardvark on Apr 8, 2019 10:25:37 GMT
Paz's half-frowning, one-eyebrow-raised, rather grim, half-hearted "OK" in panel 6 suggests maybe there is some jealousy there; the Annies in some ways have a certain closeness to Kat that she has not yet, and may never be able to achieve. And it may grate a bit on her heart....
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Post by mordekai on Apr 8, 2019 10:54:01 GMT
"And the award for most judgmental eyebrows goes to... Paz Cadena-Blanco!" F*ck you, Paz, you don't have the right to judge anybody! You and your gang are in the wrong here! |
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 8, 2019 11:12:21 GMT
"And the award for most judgmental eyebrows goes to... Paz Cadena-Blanco!" F*ck you, Paz, you don't have the right to judge anybody! You and your gang are in the wrong here! While I refrain from swearing, I agree in that I am getting really annoyed by Paz. Annie was Kat's best friend long before Paz even knew she was into girls. And the only ones who did anything to make someone "upset" were Kat and everybody who thought out that stupid plan.
So, I guess Paz is satisfied? Although, a thumbs up could also mean " the loser should be stabbed upward." I also like the look between Cvet and Rey. I wonder what, if anything, they're saying. "So what are you supposed to be?" "I'm actually a fox spirit trapped in a stuffed doll. It's complicated." EDIT: I suppose it could be bad if Cvet is closely related to Sivo. "So, um.... possess any good bodies lately?" Might be, but Reynardine bested Sivo in a fight, and I have a feeling that Orjaks respect that. |
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Post by ctso74 on Apr 8, 2019 13:22:01 GMT
Looks like an end of chapter page, but it isn't. Now I'm curious. Well, even more so than usual. I'm still curious why Tony treated the Annies so differently. I'm hoping the EoC will shed some light on it. Makeup? The necklace? If Tony has swapped demeanor between them, when they get back home, then maybe it actually is the necklace. |
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Post by DonDueed on Apr 8, 2019 13:43:20 GMT
Last panel: I'm guessing Kat just noticed the boys walking in behind Parley.
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Post by keef on Apr 8, 2019 13:56:03 GMT
Kat wouldn't have approved if she knew it was dangerous. I don't know what could have given her the first clue, the emergency state, or the fact that she was sending them underground right after learning they were being attacked from under... It's Parley speaking in the first panel. But you're right about the fact that they should have known the risk, and this was in all respects (except for the small detail that it worked) an extremely stupid plan. |
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Post by avurai on Apr 8, 2019 15:29:02 GMT
Reynard getting Sivo flashbacks.
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Post by sicklykobold on Apr 8, 2019 15:47:16 GMT
"And the award for most judgmental eyebrows goes to... Paz Cadena-Blanco!" F*ck you, Paz, you don't have the right to judge anybody! You and your gang are in the wrong here!
I think the comic is just staying true to form, everyone but Annie(s) is allowed to be a total jerk and get away with it, no consequences.
Then again, if we don't enjoy the fact that Annie never gets a win, why are we still here 2132 pages later.
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Post by fia on Apr 8, 2019 16:12:28 GMT
Paz's half-frowning, one-eyebrow-raised, rather grim, half-hearted "OK" in panel 6 suggests maybe there is some jealousy there; the Annies in some ways have a certain closeness to Kat that she has not yet, and may never be able to achieve. And it may grate a bit on her heart.... Why would that have to be the case? I think Paz just indicated her huffy approval of the Annies' improvement. I mean, put it in context in a heterosexual relationship: Why should my fiancee be jealous of my decades-long friendship with my best friend? Were he a woman, should he be jealous, even though as a man he is currently not? Friendship and romance are different sorts of relationships altogether, and as much as we make a big deal in modern Western culture about "marrying our best friend," we don't literally mean that friendship and romantic relationships are the same. (FWIW I do think of my fiancee as one of my best friends, but it's not the same as my relationship with my girl BFFs or my other boy BFFs). I mean you can be jealous of someone's time with someone else, but recognizing for real that someone is friends with someone else should let you be OK with a friendship-like emotional closeness. No? |
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Post by King Mir on Apr 8, 2019 16:46:48 GMT
"And the award for most judgmental eyebrows goes to... Paz Cadena-Blanco!" F*ck you, Paz, you don't have the right to judge anybody! You and your gang are in the wrong here! Convoluted plan to get them to get along or not, Fannie is still new here and I think Paz is still justified in treating her with some suspicion. Also, Paz is not personally responsible for this plan; the ring leader seems to be Kat. |
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Post by novia on Apr 8, 2019 19:53:04 GMT
F*ck you, Paz, you don't have the right to judge anybody! You and your gang are in the wrong here! While I refrain from swearing, I agree in that I am getting really annoyed by Paz. Annie was Kat's best friend long before Paz even knew she was into girls. And the only ones who did anything to make someone "upset" were Kat and everybody who thought out that stupid plan. Because of your profile pictures I am imagining this exchange as Donald Donlan chastising his daughter for swearing in a public forum. |
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Post by Runningflame on Apr 8, 2019 20:28:14 GMT
While I refrain from swearing, I agree in that I am getting really annoyed by Paz. Annie was Kat's best friend long before Paz even knew she was into girls. And the only ones who did anything to make someone "upset" were Kat and everybody who thought out that stupid plan. Because of your profile pictures I am imagining this exchange as Donald Donlan chastising his daughter for swearing in a public forum.  |
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Post by saardvark on Apr 8, 2019 21:12:28 GMT
Paz's half-frowning, one-eyebrow-raised, rather grim, half-hearted "OK" in panel 6 suggests maybe there is some jealousy there; the Annies in some ways have a certain closeness to Kat that she has not yet, and may never be able to achieve. And it may grate a bit on her heart.... Why would that have to be the case? I think Paz just indicated her huffy approval of the Annies' improvement. I mean, put it in context in a heterosexual relationship: Why should my fiancee be jealous of my decades-long friendship with my best friend? Were he a woman, should he be jealous, even though as a man he is currently not? Friendship and romance are different sorts of relationships altogether, and as much as we make a big deal in modern Western culture about "marrying our best friend," we don't literally mean that friendship and romantic relationships are the same. (FWIW I do think of my fiancee as one of my best friends, but it's not the same as my relationship with my girl BFFs or my other boy BFFs). I mean you can be jealous of someone's time with someone else, but recognizing for real that someone is friends with someone else should let you be OK with a friendship-like emotional closeness. No? It doesn't have to be the case, and you might be right about Paz. I agree with you 100% on relationships. But these are teenagers we are talking about, and may not yet have the emotional maturity you have suggested. I read Paz' expression differently than you, I guess, and thought she might be a bit jealous, not of Annie as a romantic rival, of course, but of the emotional closeness of Kat and Annie, perhaps something she feels she doesnt have as deeply yet. Of course, with maturity, she would understand that this is natural - Kat and Annie have been thru a lot together, both time and experiences - and it may well come in time for her and Kat as well. But Paz is young.... |
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Post by MarineMonarch on Apr 8, 2019 21:12:47 GMT
I mean it was a stupid plan, but not like, an awful or cruel one. Overly convoluted and thoughtless? Yeah. Intentionally negligent or manipulative? Not really. There's clearly no hard feelings about it on the Annie's side, and we know now that due to Cvet nobody was really in danger. It feels like people are judging well-meaning thoughtlessness from a bunch of teenagers a little harshly here.
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Post by mordekai on Apr 8, 2019 21:29:12 GMT
Convoluted plan to get them to get along or not, Fannie is still new here and I think Paz is still justified in treating her with some suspicion. True, and that's a good reason to NOT lock Court!Annie in a bunker with her without any surveillance besides a non-fireproof pseudo-dragon who didn't even step in to help against the Ashray... They can't have it both ways... if they don't trust Forest!Annie, they shouldn't have done this... If they trust her, Paz is being jerk... and while I know Paz wasn't the mastermind behind the plan, I think she has enough pull with Kat to stop it.. |
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Post by avurai on Apr 8, 2019 22:51:40 GMT
I'd hate to be a buzzkill but, in a similar yet more extreme sense than some others have suggested, this whole situation does reek of gaslighting to me. By forcing both Annies into a secluded area in which they experience false danger, Kat and Parley have created a whole system of assumptions that the Annies had no way of knowing the consistency of. Kat and Parley explained the truth later but that doesn't change the legitimate distress enacted against Annie(s) in the interim. For that period of time trapped in the bunker, Fannie and Courtnie experienced seemingly life-threatening duress and were forced into emotionally taxing proximity in a situation they had given no consent to enter into. Where a younger Kat would likely have been characterized to create a scenario in which she'd bring one of them along and say "I really think it'd be good for you! A team-building exercise!" to the Annie's general nervousness, this post-timeskip Kat prefers to jump right into teleportation-forced manipulation.
This feels like the kind of thing Tom placed here because it'd be narratively interesting and he's using the heartwarming/rewarding nature of Kat excitedly hugging both Annies as a distraction method to get us to ignore the weirdness of a plan to emotionally manipulate both Annies into pliancy. I'm really not sure how I feel about current-Kat. The Kat I know holds a wrench up in front of her own face and tells you to be friends; she doesn't craft a labyrinth to covertly incept amicability into you.
I was kind of expecting this to be addressed. Now that it's not... I'm concerned where we're going. Hopefully it is addressed eventually. This is a shift in Kat's characterization that could be intriguing if it's actually developed. She's becoming a Dumbledore-type. And a Dumbledore-type isn't exactly a great guy.
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 8, 2019 22:53:45 GMT
F*ck you, Paz, you don't have the right to judge anybody! You and your gang are in the wrong here! Convoluted plan to get them to get along or not, Fannie is still new here and I think Paz is still justified in treating her with some suspicion. Also, Paz is not personally responsible for this plan; the ring leader seems to be Kat. Maybe, but Paz did not tell Frannie she did not trust her or anything, she treated her like the real Annie, and threatened her out of the blue. |
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Post by MarineMonarch on Apr 8, 2019 23:22:03 GMT
Wait a minute, is this just a whole plot reference to Residential? That's chapter 24. Think about it, we have: - A scenario where people are being kept in an isolated area alone for a period of time (the campsite vs the bunker)
- They've been left there by a respective dragonslayer (Eglamore vs Parley)
- This includes an almost direct repeat of this joke
- A supernatural creature associated with the court acting as a scary "threat" to mess with them safely (Marcia the Dryad vs Cvet)
- Both cases expected their surprise threat to fall through
- Both times caused antagonistic people to come together (Annie and Jack vs both Annies here)
I was wondering why I thought that the Annies would see through the whole Cvet "threat" within about 5 minutes. They've done it before! I wonder if Kat took inspiration from that trip?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 8, 2019 23:50:19 GMT
I mean it was a stupid plan, but not like, an awful or cruel one. Overly convoluted and thoughtless? Yeah. Intentionally negligent or manipulative? Not really. There's clearly no hard feelings about it on the Annie's side, and we know now that due to Cvet nobody was really in danger. It feels like people are judging well-meaning thoughtlessness from a bunch of teenagers a little harshly here. The core idea of The Plan was sound. It is a common thing in all sorts of organizations (including schools) to compel people to do exercises in groups to promote teamwork, basic respect in the workplace (or whatever) and leadership skills, or for therapeutic reasons to overcome a particular issue. If done correctly it can do a lot of good. Most of the time imho it is done fairly well and it does some good though if it is cost-effective or not varies from situation to situation. Done badly it's busywork at best, and in practice it is sometimes done badly. It can escalate existing problems to dizzying new heights and/or create new tensions between coworkers, and if safety isn't a sufficient concern people can get injured even if everyone's trying to work together. I am currently writing an essay reaming out Kat and George for The Plan and will post it to a previous thread when it's done. |
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Post by todd on Apr 9, 2019 0:13:01 GMT
Maybe Kat and the rest had just been watching the early part of "The Parent Trap" (where the camp staff decides to similarly solve the problem about the twin girls constantly fighting each other by sticking them in their own cabin, apart from everyone else) and thought it was a good idea.
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