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Post by Gemini Jim on Mar 29, 2019 17:42:43 GMT
Part of me wants Kat to have forgotten all about their little experiment, or whatever it was that they expected to happen. But this comic isn't that much Looney Tunes.
The next few pages are going to be interesting. Disappointed that there are still two Annies? Embarrassed and shocked realization that there was an ashray down there? Surprised that they made it out without Parley's rescue operation?
I suspect that the next move is Annies', and they have some Serious Face going on there.
On the other hand, I would love for Loup to be manipulating everybody, none of this is real, and everybody LAUGHS at them before morphing into a Joker Loup nightmare.
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Post by MarineMonarch on Mar 29, 2019 18:17:52 GMT
I'm expecting embarrassed surprise and confusion from everyone, but this doesn't feel like it's gonna be a big conflict. Tonally the actual event of shutting them in there was comedic, not serious. It'd have been made a bigger deal of by the Annies if they were actually mad, but they just kinda got on with it.
It feels like I've seen people predict "and THIS is gonna be the moment that triggers Kat and Annie to fall apart / Annie to be done with the court / everything to change" on every chapter since Fire Spike. I just don't think that's how this comic operates.
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Post by Eve Swann on Mar 29, 2019 18:25:04 GMT
Darn, I wanted to make the steamed hams (steamed Anns?) joke but everyone got here before me. Better luck next time. xD
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Post by mordekai on Mar 29, 2019 19:09:00 GMT
Looks like everybody but Annie was having a fine old time.
If nobody was monitoring the bunker, I'm gonna be pretty mad at Kat. You'd think she would know better.
(The above is provisional until we find out for sure whether the Ashray was a real or fake threat.)
Yep, as I said, what if one of the Annies really were an evil doppelganger? They could have killed each other.
And I doubt the Ashray is a fake threat. Their "friends" are too relaxed... if they had been monitoring their fight with a fake Ashray they would be more tense, ready to appease the Annies... they obviously are relaxing, instead...
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Post by DonDueed on Mar 29, 2019 19:47:54 GMT
Looks like everybody but Annie was having a fine old time.
If nobody was monitoring the bunker, I'm gonna be pretty mad at Kat. You'd think she would know better.
(The above is provisional until we find out for sure whether the Ashray was a real or fake threat.)
Yep, as I said, what if one of the Annies really were an evil doppelganger? They could have killed each other.
And I doubt the Ashray is a fake threat. Their "friends" are too relaxed... if they had been monitoring their fight with a fake Ashray they would be more tense, ready to appease the Annies... they obviously are relaxing, instead...
Very good point. I suppose they might be relaxed because they expected Annie(s) to negotiate with the Ashray. The evidence for that perspective is pretty weak, though -- basically the fact that Monky was pretty slow to get after them.
(Edit) I think this whole arc pretty much settles the fact that Kat and the others were completely convinced both Annies were real before they set up this scenario. It would make no sense whatsoever if they had the slightest doubt that one or the other was Evil!Annie. This page pretty much nails that down.
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Post by Eily on Mar 29, 2019 21:07:25 GMT
...half-human half-fire elemental ... Wait, does that the both of them now make a full human and elemental? Looks like everybody but Annie was having a fine old time. If nobody was monitoring the bunker, I'm gonna be pretty mad at Kat. You'd think she would know better. (The above is provisional until we find out for sure whether the Ashray was a real or fake threat.)
Well one of the pros of doing something bad or harmful is that no matter how you do it, it's always the wrong way. Whether the whole thing was fake and monitored (ie, lying and spying on friends), or real and ignored (pushing people into an unpleasant situation without checking up on them), it started with Annies' friends deciding to lock them up. And letting Parley do it was a good way to be sure that the Annies couldn't protest, voice their doubts, or even just ask for a bathroom break. As much as I loved the interaction between the Annies, I really don't understand what's going on with their friends. Courtnie's makeup resisted pretty well to all that steam. And for some reason they decided to switch sides before BAMing the door open (Courtnie walked on the right, but is on the left in the last panel). |
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 29, 2019 23:52:44 GMT
Big question: where is the story going to go after this? After this incident, I can see both Annies being less fond of their friends for putting them into that situation (even though they hadn't expected the Ashray to show up). I wonder whether this could lead to them deciding that they've had it with the Court, and both go storming off together, resolved to abandon Gunnerkrigg to its fate and let Loup wreck it if he wants - though I doubt they'd want anything to do with him either. But if that's their response, it raises the question of what direction the comic will take thereafter: 1. Following the adventures of the two Annies as they head out into the world, leaving the Court and the Forest behind - almost the "Gunnerkrigg Court" version of "Titus Alone" (though "alone" wouldn't be an apprpriate word here, with two of them). ("Titus Alone" was the third book of the Gormenghast trilogy, where the title character, Titus Groan, leaves Gormenghast behind and we follow his adventures in the outside world, with the rest of the cast from the previous two books out of the story, except for an occasional mention.) Though Tom would have to retitle the comic, probably, and we'd have a lot of unresolved threads. 2. Annie is, for the moment, out of the story, and the focus turns to the rest of the cast having to handle the problems facing the Court on their own - maybe hurriedly resolving the Loup problem and the bulk of the robots being stuck powering the force field so that Tom can return to the robot religion thread. Both strike me as difficult (though not impossible) directions for the story, so Tom will probably take a third course - though what that is, I can't guess as yet. You are forgetting Tony. Annies will presumably not want to run away from their father, now that they have found some sort of relationship with him (okay, there is still a lot to figure out, but you know what I mean...)
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 30, 2019 0:06:49 GMT
It feels like I've seen people predict "and THIS is gonna be the moment that triggers Kat and Annie to fall apart / Annie to be done with the court / everything to change" on every chapter since Fire Spike. I just don't think that's how this comic operates. Thanks. |
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Post by DonDueed on Mar 30, 2019 0:56:57 GMT
I'm seriously LOLing about the two ticked-off Annies BAMing open the door, making sure everybody knows how ticked off they are.
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Post by arf on Mar 30, 2019 2:16:07 GMT
Annies be coming into this scene like... |
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Post by jda on Mar 30, 2019 3:17:18 GMT
Page of Wednesday  |
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Post by Runningflame on Mar 30, 2019 5:13:06 GMT
The Annies subscribe to the Aragorn Elessar School of Making an Entrance. |
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Post by madjack on Mar 30, 2019 7:28:28 GMT
It feels like I've seen people predict "and THIS is gonna be the moment that triggers Kat and Annie to fall apart / Annie to be done with the court / everything to change" on every chapter since Fire Spike. I just don't think that's how this comic operates. Thanks. It's not doomsaying, it's a pre-emptive coping mechanism. Honest. |
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Post by bedinsis on Mar 30, 2019 7:38:20 GMT
(The above is provisional until we find out for sure whether the Ashray was a real or fake threat.)
Given that only frAnnie is aware what Loup looks like and that he calls her "my love" the Loup appearance must've been real. Given that, I find it very unlikely that a fake Ashray would also appear in close conjunction to Loup's message. |
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Post by MarineMonarch on Mar 30, 2019 14:06:09 GMT
It's not doomsaying, it's a pre-emptive coping mechanism. Honest. Haha, wouldn't want to discourage it! Came off a bit negative there, but making off the wall theories is at the heart of forum communities, and every so often someone will correctly predict that the ship is in love with the giant sea crab because of it. Dartboard with every available space riddled with darts, and all that. |
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Post by Zox Tomana on Mar 30, 2019 15:16:26 GMT
Steamed hair? Did you get hair into my steamed hams, Tom? "Seymour, the house is on fire!" "No mother, it's just a half-human half-fire elemental and her clone fighting a water themed monster in an underground bunker." Darn, I wanted to make the steamed hams (steamed Anns?) joke but everyone got here before me. Better luck next time. xD On second thought I really could have gone for a "Steamed Anns" pun. Ah... hindsight... |
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Post by netherdan on Mar 30, 2019 17:21:41 GMT
Oh, hi Monky. Got ejected through the 4th wall, huh? |
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Post by warrl on Mar 30, 2019 22:36:09 GMT
(The above is provisional until we find out for sure whether the Ashray was a real or fake threat.)
Given that only frAnnie is aware what Loup looks like and that he calls her "my love" the Loup appearance must've been real. Given that, I find it very unlikely that a fake Ashray would also appear in close conjunction to Loup's message. I don't think anyone's suggesting that the ashray wasn't real - I think the question is whether it was really threatening them. Yeah, THEY thought so... but maybe it was saying "hey, there's a way for you two air-breathers to get out to the surface where you belong, right over there." Or "Please, I need someone to help me rescue my babies." |
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Post by King Mir on Mar 30, 2019 23:03:10 GMT
...half-human half-fire elemental ... Wait, does that the both of them now make a full human and elemental? Looks like everybody but Annie was having a fine old time. If nobody was monitoring the bunker, I'm gonna be pretty mad at Kat. You'd think she would know better. (The above is provisional until we find out for sure whether the Ashray was a real or fake threat.)
Well one of the pros of doing something bad or harmful is that no matter how you do it, it's always the wrong way. Whether the whole thing was fake and monitored (ie, lying and spying on friends), or real and ignored (pushing people into an unpleasant situation without checking up on them), it started with Annies' friends deciding to lock them up. And letting Parley do it was a good way to be sure that the Annies couldn't protest, voice their doubts, or even just ask for a bathroom break. As much as I loved the interaction between the Annies, I really don't understand what's going on with their friends.Courtnie's makeup resisted pretty well to all that steam. And for some reason they decided to switch sides before BAMing the door open (Courtnie walked on the right, but is on the left in the last panel). They wanted to stage a false kidnapping, but decided it wasn't fair to kidnap just one of the Annies. |
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Post by mordekai on Mar 31, 2019 1:01:53 GMT
Yep, as I said, what if one of the Annies really were an evil doppelganger? They could have killed each other.
And I doubt the Ashray is a fake threat. Their "friends" are too relaxed... if they had been monitoring their fight with a fake Ashray they would be more tense, ready to appease the Annies... they obviously are relaxing, instead...
Very good point. I suppose they might be relaxed because they expected Annie(s) to negotiate with the Ashray. The evidence for that perspective is pretty weak, though -- basically the fact that Monky was pretty slow to get after them.
(Edit) I think this whole arc pretty much settles the fact that Kat and the others were completely convinced both Annies were real before they set up this scenario. It would make no sense whatsoever if they had the slightest doubt that one or the other was Evil!Annie. This page pretty much nails that down.
Yeah, but even if they are completely convinced both Annies are real... that is kinda bad in its own way... Why are they convinced that both are real? What proof do they have?
No matter what, Annie's friends come as kind of stupid and careless...
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Post by DonDueed on Mar 31, 2019 1:26:23 GMT
Very good point. I suppose they might be relaxed because they expected Annie(s) to negotiate with the Ashray. The evidence for that perspective is pretty weak, though -- basically the fact that Monky was pretty slow to get after them.
(Edit) I think this whole arc pretty much settles the fact that Kat and the others were completely convinced both Annies were real before they set up this scenario. It would make no sense whatsoever if they had the slightest doubt that one or the other was Evil!Annie. This page pretty much nails that down.
Yeah, but even if they are completely convinced both Annies are real... that is kinda bad in its own way... Why are they convinced that both are real? What proof do they have?
No matter what, Annie's friends come as kind of stupid and careless...
Here's one possibility: C!Annie has been with them all along, and has (so far as we know) never given them any reason to suspect she's anything but their long-time friend Antimony. She seemed to have stopped the initial attack. She has fought the forest's invasion alongside them. Any small deviations from normalcy could easily be attributed to the stress of the conflicts -- with the forest and/or Tony.
Then suddenly F!Annie walks out of the forest. What are they to think? It obviously must be a trick of Coyote's (they don't know about Loup yet). So they give F!Annie the third degree and, eventually, bring in C!Annie to look her over. Almost immediately, C!Annie tells them "She seems to be real" based on her appearance in the ether.
So either they're both real, or both "fake" in some sense, with C!Annie lying to protect them both, or C!Annie is mistaken or has been fooled. But they have enough faith in their friend and comrade-in-arms to take her word that F!Annie is real.
I wouldn't call that a stupid conclusion, but maybe they should have been less willing to take Annie at her word under the circumstances. And no matter what, there should have been some sort of monitoring setup in the bunker.
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Post by King Mir on Mar 31, 2019 3:08:49 GMT
They have more evidence than Countnie's word on it. They have Anthony's, and Renard's. Trust a father to say who is his daughter. Trust Renard to say that he is bound to her. Not to mention the fact that they both Look and act like Annie. Creating two Annie's is within Loops power, and this seems to be what he has done.
We are genre savvy readers looking for plot twists. These people are not looking for a plot twist, they are people accepting the obvious explanation: a god made there be two of them.
As to it being fooling not to monitor them: A bunker should be the safest place to be. Who knew that the forest's roots stretched so far?
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Post by Gemini Jim on Mar 31, 2019 8:11:31 GMT
Tom is really good at subverting our expectations, and that helps fuel the Wild Mass Guessing.
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It's been less than a day, in comic book time, since Fannie returned from the forest. I suppose the gang can be forgiven for throwing together a "Let's lock the Annies in a bunker and see what happens" plan at the last minute.
And maybe they didn't have time to inspect the bunker beforehand.
And odds are, they didn't know about the ashray. The Annies only discovered it by crashing through the ceiling of its lair. They escaped by cutting through some tree roots, which suggests that the ashray level wasn't accessible by normal means (which is perhaps why the Court doesn't appear to have used the bunker lately).
It still feels like a plan thought up by, well, a bunch of high school kids.
If I were Annie (either one), I would read them the Riot Act at the very least.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 31, 2019 8:25:48 GMT
 Not sure if that's intentional because it's unimportant background or what. [edit] Also after I posted this I noticed how far back the Antimonies are from the door. It makes me wonder if one/both used her powers instead of hand (or foot) to slam/open it. If so it was probably Courtnie and she/they are more pissed than I thought. [/edit] It still feels like a plan thought up by, well, a bunch of high school kids. Actually, all this reminds me of something from my middle school days that I wasn't actually present at but heard about for weeks. There was a boy and girl who didn't really get along; some other girls from my school decided that they should get along and also would make a cute couple, therefore to kill two birds with one stone they rigged a spin-the-bottle game so they'd have to spend "seven minutes in heaven." Not sure if it snuck into the closet or if it had been hibernating there and chose that moment to wake but there was somehow a wasp in the closet as well. Needless to say they banged on the door and yelled until it was opened well before the customary time had lapsed. |
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Post by netherdan on Mar 31, 2019 18:07:09 GMT
Not sure if that's intentional because it's unimportant background or what. [edit] Also after I posted this I noticed how far back the Antimonies are from the door. It makes me wonder if one/both used her powers instead of hand (or foot) to slam/open it. If so it was probably Courtnie and she/they are more pissed that I thought. [/edit] I don't know what you're pointing, though, since both backgrounds look the same (except for the ceiling looking 30cm taller) but at #2100 I found that the fireplace changed colors:  |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 31, 2019 18:30:59 GMT
I don't know what you're pointing...] Check out the wall/room behind Kat in #2099 and compare it to same in #2128. Also the door vs. doormat but that's more of a nitpick, looking at the same scene through a camera with a shorter focal length might be able to distort stuff that's farther away from the center of focus, such as the distance between the top of the door to the ceiling. |
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Post by netherdan on Mar 31, 2019 18:35:14 GMT
Check out the wall/room behind Kat in #2099 and compare it to same in #2128. Oh right, there should be more of the ceiling visible from the second angle and not less or none (looks like a paintbucketed wall color) Just slips of the pen - the art equivalent of those occasional spelling errors that everyone in the audience spots at once and which Tom sets straight a few hours later. An artypo. "Artypo" is going to become a thing! I realized I just made it a thing at imgur: imgur.com/t/artypo |
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Post by jda on Apr 1, 2019 4:22:02 GMT
Why are they all the waiting crew looking so relaxed?
Oh, a shiny new idea!
" BAM! And all eyes went to the door where a pair of Annies entered, much to the surprise of Parley, who have just Bipped back... with a pair of Annies.
[some seconds of silence]
-AW, COME ON! raged 4 identical teenager voices."
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Post by Per on Apr 1, 2019 7:31:22 GMT
It's been less than a day, in comic book time, since Fannie returned from the forest. Loup said in 2109 "it's been several days", which, though it took many readers by surprise, seems to indicate there's been time skippage. |
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Post by mynie on Apr 1, 2019 11:19:59 GMT
UM YES I may have been reading too much into this but I have only one thing to say
The typo only ever happens with Fannie in her fire elemental state! In fact, Fire Elemental Fannie NEVER wears the blue clip while Courtnie is CONSISTENTLY depicted as wearing it.
Coincidence? I think not!
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