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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 31, 2018 8:03:53 GMT
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Post by wombat on Dec 31, 2018 8:05:32 GMT
Maybe the reason Annie never wears the Cool Beans shirt again is that the two of them fight over it so much that they tore it in half.
It's the only explanation I'll accept.
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Post by madjack on Dec 31, 2018 8:08:29 GMT
Did Court!Annie ever get to see the relaxed Tony in the last 6 months?
With Rey living with them... Maybe not.
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Post by arf on Dec 31, 2018 8:34:07 GMT
Annie has *never* seen relaxed Tony.
This will convince Forest Annie that she is in a bad simulation.
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Post by keef on Dec 31, 2018 8:40:36 GMT
Did Court!Annie ever get to see the relaxed Tony in the last 6 months? With Rey living with them... Maybe not. Why not...  but a laughing Tony... probably a bit of a shock. (Forgot to mention that I love this page to pieces) |
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Post by madjack on Dec 31, 2018 8:41:04 GMT
Touche
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 31, 2018 8:44:15 GMT
Here is a page about the difference between a jumper and a sweater, in case anyone is curious.
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Post by artezzatrigger on Dec 31, 2018 9:47:00 GMT
Either Anthony figured out how to be relaxed around Annie during the time skip, or this is a glimpse of him not considering Forest!Annie to be the original one...
Not sure which one I'd prefer, since the former means we'd never get to see that development without some form of flashback.
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Post by Angry Individual on Dec 31, 2018 10:02:27 GMT
I am also somewhat perplexed, yet not upset, by this turn of events.
It would seem Tony can get comfortable around this Antimony, which begs the question whether or not he's ever done it for Court!Annie. If he hasn't.... this will be something.
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Post by jasmijn on Dec 31, 2018 10:43:11 GMT
Oh siblings time shifted copies of the same person...
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Post by mordekai on Dec 31, 2018 11:29:32 GMT
Okay. I'm scared now.
Also, Court!Annie is kinda bitchy. Of course, Annie always had a jerkass side, but we are watching it now "from the outside"
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heranje
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Post by heranje on Dec 31, 2018 11:56:47 GMT
So, I've long had a bit of a speculation that Tony's "I can only be myself when I'm alone with one person" thing is not a personality quirk, but due to some kind of Ethereal Weirdness, and that his inability to be himself around Annie had something to do with either the fact that she's a bit of a dual being (Annie & The Fire) or the residual Surma-ness in her, or a combination thereof. So if what Loup has really done is split Annie's fire in two, that might mean that each of the Annies is no longer dual or a "compound" being in the way she was before, but just a single entity. Which in turn means that Tony can be himself around them. Maybe that's why C!Annie and Tony seem a lot closer now than when F!Annie left - he's been able to relax around her and they've been able to bond properly? In which case, he might also have suspected that something was off with C!Annie, since he'd never been able to be himself around her before.
Now, why Tony finds this so funny, I have no idea.
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Post by saardvark on Dec 31, 2018 12:19:27 GMT
So, I've long had a bit of a speculation that Tony's "I can only be myself when I'm alone with one person" thing is not a personality quirk, but due to some kind of Ethereal Weirdness, and that his inability to be himself around Annie had something to do with either the fact that she's a bit of a dual being (Annie & The Fire) or the residual Surma-ness in her, or a combination thereof. So if what Loup has really done is split Annie's fire in two, that might mean that each of the Annies is no longer dual or a "compound" being in the way she was before, but just a single entity. Which in turn means that Tony can be himself around them. Maybe that's why C!Annie and Tony seem a lot closer now than when F!Annie left - he's been able to relax around her and they've been able to bond properly? In which case, he might also have suspected that something was off with C!Annie, since he'd never been able to be himself around her before. Now, why Tony finds this so funny, I have no idea. except Surma was a dual being too, and Tony clearly got along fine with her... I think your other idea - residual Surma-ness, as well as constant guilt reminder ("I couldn't save her mother" later adding "I almost killed her") are closer to the mark... |
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Post by saardvark on Dec 31, 2018 12:43:08 GMT
I am also somewhat perplexed, yet not upset, by this turn of events. It would seem Tony can get comfortable around this Antimony, which begs the question whether or not he's ever done it for Court!Annie. If he hasn't.... this will be something. We might be about to get a reveal of some of Tony's speculation on the "two-Annie" phenomenon. I read this as: he thinks C!Annie's snippy behavior is amusing, and feels sure enough that F!Annie is real to be open about this (and is about to talk with about his read of the situation). Im puzzled tho too - C!Annie seems much more casually condescending and... nasty, really ... than I can remember original-Annie ever was. I mean, O-Annie had an edge, but it never quite this haughty/casually cruel. If the Annies are the result of a split of some sort, C!Annie seems to have gotten a concentration of the harsher side of O-Annie. If a time-skip, C!Annie's character has developed in some rather poor ways in the last 6 months. I suppose C!Annie is reacting very defensively, since she feels her position is undermined by a twin, but there are other ways she could approach this admittedly very odd development... C!Annie's behavior raises higher the possibility that she might be an inaccurate copy, which I didn't really think before (not my favorite resolution of the two-Annies either). |
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Post by keef on Dec 31, 2018 12:58:16 GMT
Now, why Tony finds this so funny, I have no idea. [spec]"Haha, I remember when you were little, you always wanted a sister, haha" [/spec] I mean, O-Annie had an edge, but it never quite this haughty/casually cruel. Annie is a typical Siddell character; no saint no satan. But occasionally a bitch. Almost human, one could say. |
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Post by speedwell on Dec 31, 2018 13:10:09 GMT
Anyone else hearing British comedian Jimmy Carr's laugh in that frame?  |
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Post by novia on Dec 31, 2018 15:27:22 GMT
"Hahaha classic only child, not knowing how to share."
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Post by The Anarch on Dec 31, 2018 15:33:21 GMT
Anyone else hearing British comedian Jimmy Carr's laugh in that frame? Well I am now. |
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Post by lunitaire on Dec 31, 2018 15:40:29 GMT
I think Court Annie is going to turn out to have Surma's personality, and that Tony has noticed. He's laughing at the absurdity of it all.
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Post by The Anarch on Dec 31, 2018 16:15:48 GMT
I mean, O-Annie had an edge, but it never quite this haughty/casually cruel. Annie is a typical Siddell character; no saint no satan. But occasionally a bitch. Almost human, one could say. Yeah, she can be pretty nasty when she wants. I swear I remember a page where Kat tells Annie that sometimes Annie makes it hard to be her friend, but I can't seem to find it. |
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Post by madjack on Dec 31, 2018 16:16:50 GMT
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Post by penguinguy on Dec 31, 2018 16:29:58 GMT
This is definitely going to be relaxed Tony, just look at that partially unbuttoned shirt.
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Post by The Anarch on Dec 31, 2018 16:59:03 GMT
Aw, what, I totally looked through that chapter because I was sure that was where it was and somehow completely spaced over that page. I call hax. PS, thankya! |
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Post by artezzatrigger on Dec 31, 2018 17:04:32 GMT
I am also somewhat perplexed, yet not upset, by this turn of events. It would seem Tony can get comfortable around this Antimony, which begs the question whether or not he's ever done it for Court!Annie. If he hasn't.... this will be something. We might be about to get a reveal of some of Tony's speculation on the "two-Annie" phenomenon. I read this as: he thinks C!Annie's snippy behavior is amusing, and feels sure enough that F!Annie is real to be open about this (and is about to talk with about his read of the situation). Im puzzled tho too - C!Annie seems much more casually condescending and... nasty, really ... than I can remember original-Annie ever was. I mean, O-Annie had an edge, but it never quite this haughty/casually cruel. If the Annies are the result of a split of some sort, C!Annie seems to have gotten a concentration of the harsher side of O-Annie. If a time-skip, C!Annie's character has developed in some rather poor ways in the last 6 months. I suppose C!Annie is reacting very defensively, since she feels her position is undermined by a twin, but there are other ways she could approach this admittedly very odd development... C!Annie's behavior raises higher the possibility that she might be an inaccurate copy, which I didn't really think before (not my favorite resolution of the two-Annies either).Is it possible that the creation of C!Annie might be influenced by Loup's perception of her, causing certain traits of hers to be more pronounced than normal? |
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Post by worldsong on Dec 31, 2018 17:47:51 GMT
Tony laughing? IN FRONT OF ANNIE? Well, behind Annie, but still, IN ANNIE'S PRESENCE?
We've entered loopy land.
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Post by yinglung on Dec 31, 2018 17:56:37 GMT
It's worth noting that F!Annie has recently come back from a tumultuous exposition negotiation with a physical god. While stressful, not exactly unusual for her. Meanwhile, C!Annie came back with no answers and failed to resolve the conflict between the forest and the court. From her perspective, the forest has been sending attackers for months, while refusing to communicate. This undermines her identity somewhat as a medium. It also means that she has slowly become more hostile to forest creatures, being forced to defend herself and others. It's gotten to the point where a train ride with a bushdog attack is routine, and not a problem for her. Note how tightly controlled her laser whip is. She has likely trained under a court magician, perhaps Mrs. Donlan. Her haircut is more utilitarian, unlikely to get snagged in a fight. The forest attacks also put Annie and Tony in dangerous situations, where they learn to rely on and help each other. This is the sort of thing that helps people bond in general, but it is also an opportunity for Annie to be acknowledged and praised by Tony. So, by the current moment, Court-aligned Annie has reason to dislike the Forest, has learned discipline, and has developed a more trusting relation with her father.
Then another Annie shows up, in Forest colors, who has not had to deal with 6 months of intermittent combat. Moreover, this other Annie actually got to talk to the power behind the forest, and is acting as a representative of sorts. C!Annie has been conditioned to be hostile, and she most likely has some resentment over being the one turned away by Ysengrin. It's frustrating, seeing the naive person you were, and having to share your hard-won rewards with someone who didn't work for them. Not to mention giving up about half of your wardrobe, especially half of your favorite clothes, would not be fun.
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Post by saardvark on Dec 31, 2018 18:19:58 GMT
Mwah... Annie is a typical Siddell character; no saint no satan. But occasionally a bitch. Almost human, one could say. Yeah, she can be pretty nasty when she wants. I swear I remember a page where Kat tells Annie that sometimes Annie makes it hard to be her friend, but I can't seem to find it. Yeah, OK, you're both right, definitely nasty! But still, one of these is to a demon who tried to kill her at one point (tho the operative cause is that he just caught her cheating), one is to a guy who hurt her friend (Rey) and almost got her into bad trouble (admittedly because he was possessed), and as for Kat, it wasn't intentionally cruel, just rather impulsive and thoughtless (skipping off into the Forest for the summer without warning). Somehow her treatment of F!Annie feels somewhat different, like kicking a homeless person. Mean without cause or reason. Maybe just because F!Annie makes C!Annie feel vulnerable... maybe you're right.... but still seems almost meaner than the other cases because it doesn't even have much of any (even flimsy) justification. edit: Actually, yinglung just above (not read before this was first written) and Jim North below make good cases that maybe it is in character after all, and not wholly unjustified.... |
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Post by fia on Dec 31, 2018 18:23:12 GMT
What if Tony has suddenly relaxed because all the weight of his terrible Surma guilt has lifted with the sudden introduction of a new daughter in his life? I mean, Tony hasn't had something fun and unexpected happen in probably a long time. Also, he got this second daughter without his wife having to die to have her. That's pretty big, isn't it? Other theories: Tony didn't want to talk about his parents because Tony is a clone. And now, he can finally relate to his daughter! Tony actually really enjoys sitcoms and having one unfolding his house has relaxed him. Tony is really Loup! Tony has had a drink. He is the only one who knows Forest Annie is the real Annie and he's been keeping up a façade the whole time so as not to worry others. Contrarily: Forest Annie is not the real Annie, only the shadow of her, and Tony is the only one who can tell. Previously, Tony was unable to speak to Annie because they were actually too alike; she herself was also too aloof and awkward around him. |
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Post by The Anarch on Dec 31, 2018 18:39:14 GMT
but still seems almost meaner than the other cases because it doesn't even have much of any (even flimsy) justification. One of the major reasons for Annie being occasionally cruel or vindictive, seems to me, is that she has a heavy streak of self-involvement. Now that she has a literal other self hanging about, that streak would seem to be coming to the forefront, and she's rejecting that other self rather than trying to incorporate her into her world. That's my jumper, not yours. You're not me. He's my dad, not yours. You're not me. I'm me, and how dare you bring that into question with your existence? Forest Annie has also shown a bit of this as well, of course. I think the reason it's more prominent in Court Annie is that she's in her comfort zone whereas Forest Annie is not. She's been busy establishing herself and her place in the new Court situation for the past six months while her twin has been out of the loop and is kind of a fish out of water. Were they on equal footing, I betcha we'd be seeing a more equal amount of shade being thrown from both sides. |
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Post by novia on Dec 31, 2018 18:41:21 GMT
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