[2081] So it's true...

[arf]

There are currently no Jones rated spacecraft.

[theonethatgotaway]

Hahahahahahaha, I love the implied: "It's cool, nothing I haven't seen before though." Oh Jones, you little rascal.

[imaginaryfriend]

I assume Jones means "enjoy" in a figure-of-speech sort of way.

Random: Has anyone else noticed that Mr. Siddell typically stylizes the clavicles/sternoclavicle joint like a bird in flight? Also he rarely draws/suggests the tendons in the neck but did today for Jones in that last panel.

[bicarbonat]

Part of me so wishes those marks on Jones indicated that something finally dinged the old girl.

[philman]

Dec 10, 2018 8:23:11 GMT bicarbonat said:

Part of me so wishes those marks on Jones indicated that something finally dinged the old girl.

Jones is never the Dingee, always the Dinger.

[ST13R]

A bit unfair of Eggers to freak out over double-Annie, while not finding it somewhat suspicious that Jones entered the Court bubble at the same time as Forest-Annie did.

[novia]

The size difference between Anthony and that other guy is stark on this page. Have we seen them interact one-on-one outside of Chapter 64?

[saardvark]

Dec 10, 2018 8:08:21 GMT arf said:

There are currently no Jones rated spacecraft.

actually, it turns out you could launch Jones to geostationary orbit on any of the currently available heavy launch vehicles (Ariene 5, Proton-M, Delta IV heavy), assuming she weighs a "mere" 1100 kg (almost 75% more than the heaviest ever human on record).  Comment remains highly amusing tho!

[saardvark]

Dec 10, 2018 8:23:11 GMT bicarbonat said:

Part of me so wishes those marks on Jones indicated that something finally dinged the old girl.

Probably just a little carbon smudge from her incinerated clothes (burned on up reentry, hence the blanket)

[Nnelg]

So much for Eglamore rallying to Forest!Annie's side.

[todd]

Dec 10, 2018 10:45:00 GMT ST13R said:

A bit unfair of Eggers to freak out over double-Annie, while not finding it somewhat suspicious that Jones entered the Court bubble at the same time as Forest-Annie did.

Probably because there's not a duplicate Jones.

(I still keep wondering whether Loup considered the long-term consequences of that "duplicate Annie" business, in light of how much it's interfering with the mission he sent Annie on. I still like the notion that he didn't think out the results past "it'll get the Court to stop sending search parties into the woods and leave me alone." Though if the stir about two Annies delays the return of the bone and water long enough, he could claim it gives him a justification for renewing his attack on the Court over not meeting his demands.)

[DonDueed]

Now I'm wondering just why Jones's clothes burned off during reentry.

The obvious implication is that Loup put her in orbit, left her there undisturbed for six months, and then de-orbited her similar to the way our real-world spacecraft operate. This would mean that Jones entered the atmosphere at near-orbital velocity, which would produce a shock wave and enough heating to destroy the clothes.

But there doesn't seem to be any particular reason for Loup to treat Jones like a human spacecraft. He obviously has the ability to give matter any velocity he wishes, without the constraints of the rocket equation. The reason our spacecraft reenter as they do is that it would be prohibitive to launch them with enough fuel so they could slow to comfortable speeds before reentering. Loup doesn't have that problem. He could have decelerated Jones before bringing her down.

For that matter, he wouldn't have had to put her in orbit at all. He could have just shot her up with enough speed so it took six months for her to fall back down. But it doesn't look like he did that, since her clothes didn't burn off on the way up.

So, did Loup do it this way merely to embarrass Jones? She doesn't seem embarrassable, really, but maybe her nudity would embarrass others (like Eglamore).

[brilliantgrey]

Tony: eglamore please I'm finally repairing my relationship with my daughter and a second one shows up! that's like. double good karma bro. don't look a gift horse in the mouth man. I'm gonna be -tears up- such a good double-dad.

[brilliantgrey]

Dec 10, 2018 15:22:52 GMT brilliantgrey said:

Tony: eglamore please I'm finally repairing my relationship with my daughter and a second one shows up! that's like. double good karma bro. don't look a gift horse in the mouth man. I'm gonna be -tears up- such a good double-dad.

He almost definitely did it because he thought it was funny.

[theonethatgotaway]

Dec 10, 2018 14:49:34 GMT DonDueed said:

Now I'm wondering just why Jones's clothes burned off during reentry.

The obvious implication is that Loup put her in orbit, left her there undisturbed for six months, and then de-orbited her similar to the way our real-world spacecraft operate. This would mean that Jones entered the atmosphere at near-orbital velocity, which would produce a shock wave and enough heating to destroy the clothes.

But there doesn't seem to be any particular reason for Loup to treat Jones like a human spacecraft. He obviously has the ability to give matter any velocity he wishes, without the constraints of the rocket equation. The reason our spacecraft reenter as they do is that it would be prohibitive to launch them with enough fuel so they could slow to comfortable speeds before reentering. Loup doesn't have that problem. He could have decelerated Jones before bringing her down.

For that matter, he wouldn't have had to put her in orbit at all. He could have just shot her up with enough speed so it took six months for her to fall back down. But it doesn't look like he did that, since her clothes didn't burn off on the way up.

So, did Loup do it this way merely to embarrass Jones? She doesn't seem embarrassable, really, but maybe her nudity would embarrass others (like Eglamore).

As was stated before: Jones just made for a very CONVENIENT cannonball to throw to the Court. 

[saardvark]

Dec 10, 2018 14:49:34 GMT DonDueed said:

Now I'm wondering just why Jones's clothes burned off during reentry.

The obvious implication is that Loup put her in orbit, left her there undisturbed for six months, and then de-orbited her similar to the way our real-world spacecraft operate. This would mean that Jones entered the atmosphere at near-orbital velocity, which would produce a shock wave and enough heating to destroy the clothes.

But there doesn't seem to be any particular reason for Loup to treat Jones like a human spacecraft. He obviously has the ability to give matter any velocity he wishes, without the constraints of the rocket equation. The reason our spacecraft reenter as they do is that it would be prohibitive to launch them with enough fuel so they could slow to comfortable speeds before reentering. Loup doesn't have that problem. He could have decelerated Jones before bringing her down.

For that matter, he wouldn't have had to put her in orbit at all. He could have just shot her up with enough speed so it took six months for her to fall back down. But it doesn't look like he did that, since her clothes didn't burn off on the way up.

So, did Loup do it this way merely to embarrass Jones? She doesn't seem embarrassable, really, but maybe her nudity would embarrass others (like Eglamore).

You're right of course.  I (totally) guessed that violating physics/the laws of nature would actually require a bit of effort/thought, which chaotic Loup might be too lazy/unfocussed to bother with.  But I certainly could be wrong!

[saardvark]

Dec 10, 2018 15:22:52 GMT brilliantgrey said:

Tony: eglamore please I'm finally repairing my relationship with my daughter and a second one shows up! that's like. double good karma bro. don't look a gift horse in the mouth man. I'm gonna be -tears up- such a good double-dad.

I suddenly got the very weird image of Tony with big teary anime puppy dog pleading eyes.  Aggggh!  Too bizarre...

[Corvo]

Dec 10, 2018 12:17:21 GMT saardvark said:

Dec 10, 2018 8:08:21 GMT arf said:

There are currently no Jones rated spacecraft.

actually, it turns out you could launch Jones to geostationary orbit on any of the currently available heavy launch vehicles (Ariene 5, Proton-M, Delta IV heavy), assuming she weighs a "mere" 1100 kg (almost 75% more than the heaviest ever human on record).  Comment remains highly amusing tho!

Balancing and mass distribution becomes a hassle though, so usually they just let her ride in the simulator for a while and send her home with a cap and some T-shirts.

[faiiry]

Insensitive much, Egg Salad Sandwich?? She’s right there and everything!

[Corvo]

Dec 10, 2018 14:49:34 GMT DonDueed said:

Now I'm wondering just why Jones's clothes burned off during reentry.

The obvious implication is that Loup put her in orbit, left her there undisturbed for six months, and then de-orbited her similar to the way our real-world spacecraft operate. This would mean that Jones entered the atmosphere at near-orbital velocity, which would produce a shock wave and enough heating to destroy the clothes.

But there doesn't seem to be any particular reason for Loup to treat Jones like a human spacecraft. He obviously has the ability to give matter any velocity he wishes, without the constraints of the rocket equation. The reason our spacecraft reenter as they do is that it would be prohibitive to launch them with enough fuel so they could slow to comfortable speeds before reentering. Loup doesn't have that problem. He could have decelerated Jones before bringing her down.

For that matter, he wouldn't have had to put her in orbit at all. He could have just shot her up with enough speed so it took six months for her to fall back down. But it doesn't look like he did that, since her clothes didn't burn off on the way up.

So, did Loup do it this way merely to embarrass Jones? She doesn't seem embarrassable, really, but maybe her nudity would embarrass others (like Eglamore).

I'm guessing they just turned into rags after the impact, so there was no reason to keep then.

[mordekai]

Dec 10, 2018 12:19:02 GMT saardvark said:

Dec 10, 2018 8:23:11 GMT bicarbonat said:

Part of me so wishes those marks on Jones indicated that something finally dinged the old girl.

Probably just a little carbon smudge from her incinerated clothes (burned on up reentry, hence the blanket)

I always wonder how can Jones change her hairstyle, if she can't cut her hair or otherwise change their length... we have seen her at different points in her long life, and several of the hairdos she wears require different lengths of hair...

EDIT: Lots of hair gel and some hair extensions, maybe...?

[pyradonis]

Dec 10, 2018 14:49:34 GMT DonDueed said:

Now I'm wondering just why Jones's clothes burned off during reentry.

The obvious implication is that Loup put her in orbit, left her there undisturbed for six months, and then de-orbited her similar to the way our real-world spacecraft operate. This would mean that Jones entered the atmosphere at near-orbital velocity, which would produce a shock wave and enough heating to destroy the clothes.

But there doesn't seem to be any particular reason for Loup to treat Jones like a human spacecraft. He obviously has the ability to give matter any velocity he wishes, without the constraints of the rocket equation. The reason our spacecraft reenter as they do is that it would be prohibitive to launch them with enough fuel so they could slow to comfortable speeds before reentering. Loup doesn't have that problem. He could have decelerated Jones before bringing her down.

For that matter, he wouldn't have had to put her in orbit at all. He could have just shot her up with enough speed so it took six months for her to fall back down. But it doesn't look like he did that, since her clothes didn't burn off on the way up.

So, did Loup do it this way merely to embarrass Jones? She doesn't seem embarrassable, really, but maybe her nudity would embarrass others (like Eglamore).

Pretty sure he just thought it was fun to throw her at the Court.

Dec 10, 2018 10:53:58 GMT novia said:

The size difference between Anthony and that other guy is stark on this page. Have we seen them interact one-on-one outside of Chapter 64?

Yes, before Annie left.

[lunitaire]

I feel like Loup made duplicate Annie so that real Annie would be alienated when she came back, and Eggs is definitely helping Loup's plan. They are gonna be stuck with the changling.

[ctso74]

*Jones starts to descend into the atmosphere*
*Her velocity increases to breakneck speeds*
*As she enters more substantial atmosphere, searing heat burns through her outfit*
*The visible ground starts approaching at remarkable pace*
Jones: "Are those ruins the castle I stayed at in 1400s? Hm. I wonder if I can see my apartment from here?"
*Charred remnants of organic matter leave carbon streaks on her face*
Jones: "Yep. There it is."

[Runningflame]

So... which "she" are they talking about, anyway? Eglamore's question should be, "Why are you letting either of them walk around before we've figured out which is the real one?"

[rimwolf]

Maybe Coyote has thrown Jones into space before. That could be why Loup had the idea to do so, and why Jones said "not ... very often". (I'm glad she enjoyed the view.)

[keef]

Dec 10, 2018 20:28:26 GMT Runningflame said:

So... which "she" are they talking about, anyway? Eglamore's question should be, "Why are you letting either of them walk around before we've figured out which is the real one?"

Yes, it's strange that didn't even enter his mind.

Anyway, "Protector of the Court" or not, it looks like his old nemesis is now at least as powerful as he is, another reason for Jimmy to hate Tony.

Dec 10, 2018 21:17:13 GMT rimwolf said:

Maybe Coyote has thrown Jones into space before.

Yes, he did.

[blazingstar]

Dec 10, 2018 17:31:07 GMT mordekai said:

I always wonder how can Jones change her hairstyle, if she can't cut her hair or otherwise change their length... we have seen her at different points in her long life, and several of the hairdos she wears require different lengths of hair...

EDIT: Lots of hair gel and some hair extensions, maybe...?

Jones has elaborately curled, pinned, and crimped her hair over the years, which makes it look shorter sometimes, but it's always been the exact same length. It is plausible that high heat could bend, but not break, the molecular bonds in her hair, which would curl the strands and still keep in line with the "Jones can't be permanently damaged" rule. 

[blazingstar]

Dec 10, 2018 14:49:34 GMT DonDueed said:

Now I'm wondering just why Jones's clothes burned off during reentry.

The obvious implication is that Loup put her in orbit, left her there undisturbed for six months, and then de-orbited her similar to the way our real-world spacecraft operate. This would mean that Jones entered the atmosphere at near-orbital velocity, which would produce a shock wave and enough heating to destroy the clothes.

But there doesn't seem to be any particular reason for Loup to treat Jones like a human spacecraft. He obviously has the ability to give matter any velocity he wishes, without the constraints of the rocket equation. The reason our spacecraft reenter as they do is that it would be prohibitive to launch them with enough fuel so they could slow to comfortable speeds before reentering. Loup doesn't have that problem. He could have decelerated Jones before bringing her down.

For that matter, he wouldn't have had to put her in orbit at all. He could have just shot her up with enough speed so it took six months for her to fall back down. But it doesn't look like he did that, since her clothes didn't burn off on the way up.

So, did Loup do it this way merely to embarrass Jones? She doesn't seem embarrassable, really, but maybe her nudity would embarrass others (like Eglamore).

Back when it first happened, the physics of Jones as a space projectile was hotly debated in the forums. Sky Schemer mentioned that if she was in geosynchronous orbit, she'd stay in one place above Gunnerkrigg until Loup pulled her back down. It was also discussed at length by noone3, imaginaryfriend, and Igniz if her path was simply a ballistic arc, placing her basically anywhere in the world by the time she got back down. 

At the time, we didn't know how detail-oriented Loup was, or how his powers worked, so we didn't know which would be the case. I think we have our answer now. Are awards of cookies in order?

[fia]

Tony totally has to be joking. "There is no evidence to suggest that she is not who she claims to be"?!
It is a good joke, but I think Eggs is too scrambled to get it.


Nerdtime:
I wonder what definition of 'evidence' you would have to have for Tony's statement to be true.
It is true that there is no specific evidence that discounts the proposition [Fannie is Annie], or that discounts the proposition [Courtney is Annie]; but it would be odd to say there is no evidence that increases the probability that one-or-the-other of them are fake (that is, there is evidence that supports [Either Courtney or Fannie is not Annie], namely, the evidence that if [Courtney AND Fannie are Annie] were true, then you might have a violation of the Identity of Indiscineribles / Indiscernibility of Identity, aka Leibniz's Law –– but Leibniz's Law is supposed to be a priori necessary, so there if you accept it, there just can't be any evidence to disprove it; ergo, there is reason to think either Courtney or Fannie is not Annie).

So strictly speaking, what Tony said is true, but it is misleading. Since one way of there being evidence of Fannie failing to be who she claims to be (Annie) is if there is evidence someone else might be who she claims to be, which there most certainly is evidence of, in the form of two seemingly identical non-identicals.