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Post by todd on Jun 29, 2018 16:18:23 GMT
That might be appropriate; it's the same kind of motif - remove the guardian/mentor figure so that the protagonist has to face the big danger on his/her own. |
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Post by The Anarch on Jun 29, 2018 16:34:36 GMT
JONES NO D:
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Post by bedinsis on Jun 29, 2018 16:41:37 GMT
I actually was expecting something to happen to indicate Ysengrin's newfound strength. That Jones would be hurled into space I did not foresee.
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Post by Timberwere on Jun 29, 2018 16:56:42 GMT
I actually was expecting something to happen to indicate Ysengrin's newfound strength. That Jones would be hurled into space I did not foresee. Especially not without any direct contact between Ysenyote and Jones. |
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Post by jda on Jun 29, 2018 17:17:49 GMT
I remember someone suggested throwing Jones into space as a way of getting rid of her a while ago. That person gets the cookie of the day. Was curious, so went and did a search. From what I could find of note (in the forums) concerning space and Jones (and I'm paraphrasing): ***I think this is the winner for saying it flat out (and ensuing discussion):Discussion about being sent to place where you can't do anything, specifically space -jda Feb 20, 2018 [1951] (Ys eating Coyote [JESUS, that was February]) jda and pyradonis , come claim your cookies. Wow, space traveling cookies brought by Jones after her return are the best cookies! |
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Post by atteSmythe on Jun 29, 2018 19:50:43 GMT
In a fight between Jones and gravity, who would win?
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Post by Corvo on Jun 29, 2018 20:10:47 GMT
In a fight between Jones and gravity, who would win? They'd team up and fight crime become a rock star. Eventually. |
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Post by csj on Jun 29, 2018 20:45:10 GMT
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Post by warrl on Jun 29, 2018 21:54:57 GMT
This was something that I should haven't ever have mused openly about. Now we just get to wonder if jones is in a directly vertical sub-escape velocity trajectory (and will land close to where she was launched from), a parabolic arc (and will land somewhere far away), a standard earth orbit (and will land somewhere, someday) a completely exo-atmospheric orbit (and will float around earth effectively indefinitely until rescued by some means), or on an escape velocity and trajectory (and will not return to earth's gravity well). IF she was just thrown, Jones will not be in a short-term-stable orbit. If she's in any sort of orbit at all, it will be one that passes through the altitude at which she was released - well inside earth's atmosphere, in fact pretty close to ground level, and therefore subject to rapid decay. (And for that matter, probably on an orbit that passes through the ground so subject to even more rapid decay.) However, any orbital trajectory at all, or an escape trajectory, would have had her moving through atmosphere at such a speed that her clothes should already be on fire before she was out of sight. And there's also the possibility that she was lifted some significant distance and then thrown. |
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Post by cb3 on Jun 30, 2018 8:09:06 GMT
The first time I read Panel three I was "gosh golly, Jones is gonna barf".
I then read a bit more and stopped.
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 30, 2018 12:49:41 GMT
For real, I'm only assuming that Coysengrin threw Jones into left field so he could talk alone with Annie, but if that's the case, it just confirms my thoughts that sending Annie into the forest was a very bad idea, protection or not. Coysengrin got rid of Jones as easily as if he was flicking a mosquito off his arm. If he wants Annie to die or get hurt for whatever reason, she's doomed. There's no failsafe for this one. If sending Annie to speak with Ysengrin is a bad idea, how should the situation be handled? The Court can't just sit behind the force field dome and hope that Ysengrin will lose interest in them after a while. Someone has to come up with something to handle this problem. Put their tails between their legs and leave the territory of the stronger wolf. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 30, 2018 12:51:13 GMT
I remember someone suggested throwing Jones into space as a way of getting rid of her a while ago. That person gets the cookie of the day. Was curious, so went and did a search. From what I could find of note (in the forums) concerning space and Jones (and I'm paraphrasing): Jones would do well in space -ryos Nov 6, 2012 (During Jones' chapter) Maybe Jones is planning on interspace travel, and the Court seems like a promising place for that -ryos Nov 9, 2012 (During Jones' chapter) When the world ends, she'll float around space or end up in a star -Señor Goose Mar 8, 2014 ("Whose side are you on?" thread) ***I think this is the winner for saying it flat out (and ensuing discussion):Discussion about being sent to place where you can't do anything, specifically space -jda Feb 20, 2018 [1951] (Ys eating Coyote [JESUS, that was February]) Honorable mention: Coyote would fight dirty and hurl her into space if they were to fight -pyradonis Yes, I believe Coyote's powers would affect Jones -pyradonis June 7, 2018 (Wild Speculation Thread) jda and pyradonis , come claim your cookies. Oh my! My first one! |
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Post by todd on Jun 30, 2018 13:34:06 GMT
Put their tails between their legs and leave the territory of the stronger wolf. That would, as I mentioned in my previous post, be the solution that I find most tempting - largely because I've felt leery for quite a while about the Court's experiments and pursuits. They don't seem to have accomplished much good (for example, from what we can tell, the main fruits of those experiments at the power station have been extra torment for one student and another student getting possessed by an otherworldly spider),they could be potentially dangerous (Jones mentioned to Annie in "The Stone" that the Court's work with the ether could result in the nightmares of humanity taking on physical form in the human world), and the whole enterprise is apparently why the Court's living next door to Gilltie Wood, with all the tensions resulting that led to things like Jeanne's murder or Reynardine's entrapment. The best I can say is that, from what we've seen of the Court, its style of "man's attempt to become God" has more a tone of "merely misguided" than other such efforts in fiction; it seems to be fueled more by a wish to make magic/the etheric fit into a scientific world-view than by a quest for power (the more common goal of "man's attempt to become God" in stories), and may be unaware that manipulating the ether could bestow god-like powers on them. (Note that in the "small-scale" version of the Court's efforts, Kat's robot project, Kat is unaware of the robot religion being built around her, even though it's already begun to have its effects upon her. I suspect that the same is true of the Court's adult staff; they don't know what playing around with the ether could do. We know that, but because we've read about Coyote's secret - which he obviously doesn't share with very many people.) But I still wonder, as I read it, whether the Court is engaging in a dangerous act of folly with potentially devastating consequences for everyone. But I'd rather see the Court call off the project because it had become aware of the perilous results of its activities, rather than simply because Ysengrin was making the area around Gilltie Wood too dangerous for them. If they evacuate the place (a full-scale evacuation, returning to the regular human world), they won't have learned that and could simply start up again somewhere else (assuming there are other suitable locations for their work), leading to a new set of problems. Of course, this exodus would have its own problems - what to do about the robots, for example, or all those people who used to be forest-folk, or students with etheric abilities potentially dangerous to their surroundings, like Zimmy. Not to mention the general trouble of being uprooted from the place you've lived in most of your life and having to settle down again somewhere else (as someone who had to go through a big move a few years ago, I know it's not a pleasant experience). (On the other hand, living in an oversized city where you have to take several modes of transportation all in one trip just to get a haircut, and which seems to have gotten so huge because the people who built it weren't able to switch the process off, doesn't strike me as that enjoyable.) I don't think there are going to be any easy solutions for this. I think the ideal solution would be for the Court and the Wood to finally find some way of living together peacefully and genuinely ending their quarrel (rather than just the "uneasy truce" of a counterfeit peace), but with the Court leadership finally renouncing its hubris and turning its attention towards other, safer projects, shutting down the power station, scrapping the Omega Device, etc. (Provided, of course, that they can keep Coyote - if/when he returns - from engaging in more meddling.) At least, that's the ending I'd like to see for the story. Let us hope that Annie's meeting with Ysengrin can become a step towards such a resolution. |
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Post by madjack on Jun 30, 2018 14:00:17 GMT
What if they can't leave? Tom described the Court in the ch.45 retrospective as not really existing in our world. Perhaps part of the whole episode with the seed bismuth was creating a place where the real and the etheric worlds were welded together, without quite being a part of either. So when the humans came seeking sanctuary, they not only made one, but they unintentionally created a beachhead for the etheric to enter the real world?
This would also nicely explain why they haven't gone elsewhere before: Not only do they feel they have to hold back any possibility of attack on wider humanity, the place the Court occupies is the only possible place these etheric experiments will work, and maybe the only place etheric tech works as well.
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Post by melkiorwiseman on Jun 30, 2018 14:51:26 GMT
Up, up and away! *stares* What? Someone had to say it. May as well be me.  I'm going to guess that Annie will be annoyed with Coyotegrin for doing that to Jones. |
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Post by clover on Jun 30, 2018 16:32:51 GMT
looks like team jones is blasting off againnnnnnnnnnnn
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Post by faiiry on Jun 30, 2018 19:17:18 GMT
If in the next page, Jones doesn't simply disappear, but comes crashing back to Earth, leaving an enormous crater, I will never say anything mildly critical of the comic ever again.
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Post by faiiry on Jun 30, 2018 19:38:40 GMT
Guys but has anyone noticed the comments for this page. I made a collage.  |
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Post by warrl on Jun 30, 2018 23:23:42 GMT
Dangit, I felt a filk coming on, but it needs Jones's shoe to be blue! |
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Post by todd on Jul 1, 2018 0:02:19 GMT
What if they can't leave? Tom described the Court in the ch.45 retrospective as not really existing in our world. Perhaps part of the whole episode with the seed bismuth was creating a place where the real and the etheric worlds were welded together, without quite being a part of either. So when the humans came seeking sanctuary, they not only made one, but they unintentionally created a beachhead for the etheric to enter the real world? This would also nicely explain why they haven't gone elsewhere before: Not only do they feel they have to hold back any possibility of attack on wider humanity, the place the Court occupies is the only possible place these etheric experiments will work, and maybe the only place etheric tech works as well. People have left the Court before - Antony and Surma, for example (not to mention such cases as the Donlans going on vacation). But I think that the vicinity of Gilltie Wood is the only place where the Court's experiments could work, as you suggest, which is why the Court's staying there. (Even though I'd still like to see the Court finally come to its senses and renounce its tampering with the ether, turning away from it towards wiser scientific enterprises.) Which narrows down the options for a "Plan B" if Annie can't reason with Ysengrin still more. That might leave finding some way to kill the wolf - which Annie certainly wouldn't be keen on (and which would probably not be treated as a viable solution in a comic which prefers non-violent solutions, even if allowing a few fights). Which means that Annie had better succeed. |
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Post by madjack on Jul 1, 2018 1:00:07 GMT
People have left the Court before - Antony and Surma, for example (not to mention such cases as the Donlans going on vacation). I meant the Court as a whole, not just individuals within it. |
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Post by tc on Jul 1, 2018 17:19:06 GMT
If he wants Annie to die or get hurt for whatever reason... Annie is the one human being whom Ysengrin has come to not only respect, but also genuinely care for. Coyote seems unusually fond of her too. This makes Annie safer than literally every other human on the planet would be in this scenario. |
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Post by faiiry on Jul 1, 2018 19:02:59 GMT
If he wants Annie to die or get hurt for whatever reason... Annie is the one human being whom Ysengrin has come to not only respect, but also genuinely care for. Coyote seems unusually fond of her too. This makes Annie safer than literally every other human on the planet would be in this scenario. Coyote is a trickster god who has deliberately sent Annie into danger more than once and Ysengrin is an unpredictable psychopath. Sure, she's safer than anyone else, but that's not saying much. Especially with her only protection gone. There's no predicting what will happen in this scenario. |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 1, 2018 19:58:43 GMT
Annie is the one human being whom Ysengrin has come to not only respect, but also genuinely care for. Coyote seems unusually fond of her too. This makes Annie safer than literally every other human on the planet would be in this scenario. Coyote is a trickster god who has deliberately sent Annie into danger more than once and Ysengrin is an unpredictable psychopath. Sure, she's safer than anyone else, but that's not saying much. Especially with her only protection gone. There's no predicting what will happen in this scenario. Agreed... at least in part. But if Coyote has put Annie in danger in the past, I also get the feeling that he's unlikely to have let her come to serious harm as a result. She has too much "entertainment" value to him to toss aside carelessly. Ys has certainly had a fractured mind in the past (thanks to Coyote), but its possible, maybe even likely, that the Coyote-Ys fusion we have now is more stable and sane. His memories have been returned, and likely now has some part of Coyote's mind included as well, adding some trickster, but also the glue of some semi-sanity and fondness of Annie. Maybe enough stability for the Ys side of the fusion to remember the respect and caring he had for her in the past. Coysengrin may be less psychopathic, but more tricky. Its certainly hard to predict, as you say, but I am very cautiously optimistic that Annie won't come to harm. Congrats on becoming a gunner! |
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Post by todd on Jul 1, 2018 23:52:01 GMT
I am very cautiously optimistic that Annie won't come to harm. And she's the only person in the Court about whom we can say that much. (I wonder whether the Court administration is coming up with any ideas at all to handle this crisis - or if they're just going to sit behind the force field and hope that Ysengrin decides to do something else. It'd make a nasty twist if, just as Annie was getting through to Ysengrin and he'd agreed to make peace with the Court, the Court leadership launched some sort of attack on Gilltie Wood and Ysengrin is furious enough to decide "on with the war", with not even Annie able to dissuade him after that.) |
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 2, 2018 1:18:24 GMT
Now I'm hoping Ys has absorbed Coyote's tendency to self-own as well, and gets himself completely cleaned up by a falling object he may not have paid enough attention to when he was throwing it..... That's one thing that can make Annie more bewildered. On the other eyestalk, enough of people thought about it that it's unlikely. In a fight between Jones and gravity, who would win? At least we can guess who would lose: whoever happens to be at or near the end of her trajectory. |
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Post by Earin on Jul 2, 2018 6:59:03 GMT
I’m sure Annie will be fine; Jones will only be a stone throw away.
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Post by bicarbonat on Jul 2, 2018 7:17:02 GMT
Putting her in orbit IS the best way of getting rid of Jones. Judging by what we can see, she got shot straight up, so she won't be on a stable orbital trajectory. Assuming acceleration ends before she makes escape velocity, she'll come right back down again, although likely a bit off to the west and possibly far to the south. Lord, if she lands on Court territory, it'll be like a twofer. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 2, 2018 7:21:59 GMT
Judging by what we can see, she got shot straight up, so she won't be on a stable orbital trajectory. Assuming acceleration ends before she makes escape velocity, she'll come right back down again, although likely a bit off to the west and possibly far to the south. Lord, if she lands on Court territory, it'll be like a twofer. The Court should have something to prevent inbound ballistic threats... But of course Ysengoyote can see really far and can always repeat what he did... We may be witnessing the opening serve of the greatest game of Pong that ever was. |
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Post by ohthatone on Jul 2, 2018 13:38:13 GMT
Guys but has anyone noticed the comments for this page. I made a collage. Yeah I saw that but had zero idea what it meant. must be one o' them there meemee things. |
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