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Post by madjack on Jun 27, 2018 9:06:39 GMT
I'm guessing you meant "can't put himself first" or similar...  No, no I don't. You're completely right about the emotional maturity quotient, but that point about having the relationship entirely on his terms, leaving Surma without agency, is exactly what I mean by putting himself first. Whether or not he may like to think of himself as a selfless defender of the Court, Eggers always took his own interest training to become the dragonslayer far more seriously than he took his relationship with Surma. His complete lack of comprehension to why she broke up with him doesn't show a great deal of understanding of the person he was supposedly seriously involved with, although some of that confusion was probably from being dumped for someone he already had some sort of contempt or dislike for in Tony. Edit: I see what you're getting at, it might actually a bit of both at the same time. He's not a naturally selfish person, but his inability to separate himself from the romantic knight in shining armour causes him to become more and more inwardly focused as the demands of living up to those ideals gets further away from the reality of his life. |
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Post by tc on Jun 27, 2018 9:57:22 GMT
OK - with you.
The thing is that I see 18-year-old Jimmy's blind spot as being a consequence of immaturity rather than selfishness. I reckon that he genuinely believed that Surma's attraction to him was down to his adherence to the romantic ideal of a heroic protector straight out of childhood stories. A few years beforehand, that was probably the case (remember Kat's schoolgirl crush on him in the first year or two?) - and so he reasoned that the way to Surma's heart was to give his all to the training and become the gallant knight she wanted and deserved. He lacked the maturity to realise that he was pursuing Surma's childhood ideal while Surma herself was growing up (and realising that damsels don't get to do much).
Also, as I recall, I think Jimmy was somewhat ambivalent towards Tony as kids - I don't think it became active dislike until Surma and Tony fell for each other.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jul 5, 2018 1:27:20 GMT
Hmmm, interesting question. I'm gonna guess that since Coyote couldn't lie, then Ysengrin can't lie anymore either. After all, you are what you eat. Did it say anywhere Coyote was not able to lie? All Jones said was "Coyote is no liar." Maaan, I put all this work into that wordplay and the only response is questioning the facts. Who cares about facts! I scrimp and I save for these puns! I work my fingers to the trombone! And what do I get?! Not one groan! Not even an eye-roll! What more do you people want?! |
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Post by speedwell on Jul 5, 2018 13:53:50 GMT
At the risk of being a cynical old lady, I will point out that this is not an unlikely scenario and might already have happened by the time Surma got together with Anthony:
"It's perfectly lovely to finally have some time alone with you, Jimmy. Here, let me... Oh. Um... is everything all right?"
"Yeah... no... listen, it's not you! Surma, I really want to but... I can't see it ending well!"
"What are you talking about? You know I want you to."
"No, it's just... it's too risky. Even with protection. I mean what if... no, no, all I can think of is what might happen. Give me some time, all right?"
"Oh. ... How much time do you need?"
"I don't know! I just don't want you to die, OK? I couldn't live with that."
That is not the right foundation for a lifelong romantic relationship, folks.
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Post by liminal on Jul 5, 2018 15:34:09 GMT
Did it say anywhere Coyote was not able to lie? All Jones said was "Coyote is no liar." Maaan, I put all this work into that wordplay and the only response is questioning the facts. Who cares about facts! I scrimp and I save for these puns! I work my fingers to the trombone! And what do I get?! Not one groan! Not even an eye-roll! What more do you people want?! Long overdue response: Attachments:
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Post by warrl on Jul 5, 2018 19:05:53 GMT
He lacked the maturity to realise that he was pursuing Surma's childhood ideal while Surma herself was growing up (and realising that damsels don't get to do much). Pretty much all damsels get to do in those stories is wear this dress. |
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