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Post by Igniz on Apr 30, 2018 19:14:29 GMT
All they have to do is lower the shield and I'm sure Ys will come right over. He might be able to even if they don't; looking back at this page again makes me wonder if he could teleport through trees like a dryad before he got Coyote's strength. Now that you mention that page, I wonder if the following one and the page almost after will have any relevance or be brought up in the ongoing situation. |
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Post by mturtle7 on May 1, 2018 0:19:05 GMT
Ok, well, from a certain perspective, (I can't believe I'm saying this) it would actually make perfect sense for Coyosengrin to ask for negotiations to be opened at this point in time. He's made some pretty dramatic & destructive gestures while initially reveling in his new power, but now he needs to actually try and establish himself as nominal "leader" of Gillitie Wood after Coyote, and that means re-negotiating a whole mess of things, not least of which is the whole Medium deal.
The one thing that REALLY confuses me (again, can't believe I just said that) is WHERE the heck all these different things are taking place. Rey and Annie are looking towards the big tree being pruned by the giant shield, and then they look behind them in the exact opposite direction to see the Gillitie beacon. But I thought Ysengrin was on the edge of the Forest, and the big shield was forming right in front of him. So is the Gillitie beacon coming from deeper inside the Court (and not from Ysengrin)? Someone help me out here!
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Post by todd on May 1, 2018 0:55:39 GMT
Ok, well, from a certain perspective, (I can't believe I'm saying this) it would actually make perfect sense for Coyosengrin to ask for negotiations to be opened at this point in time. He's made some pretty dramatic & destructive gestures while initially reveling in his new power, but now he needs to actually try and establish himself as nominal "leader" of Gillitie Wood after Coyote, and that means re-negotiating a whole mess of things, not least of which is the whole Medium deal. The one thing that REALLY confuses me (again, can't believe I just said that) is WHERE the heck all these different things are taking place. Rey and Annie are looking towards the big tree being pruned by the giant shield, and then they look behind them in the exact opposite direction to see the Gillitie beacon. But I thought Ysengrin was on the edge of the Forest, and the big shield was forming right in front of him. So is the Gillitie beacon coming from deeper inside the Court (and not from Ysengrin)? Someone help me out here! Internal inconsistency for dramatic effect? |
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Post by saardvark on May 1, 2018 4:34:26 GMT
The one thing that REALLY confuses me (again, can't believe I just said that) is WHERE the heck all these different things are taking place. Rey and Annie are looking towards the big tree being pruned by the giant shield, and then they look behind them in the exact opposite direction to see the Gillitie beacon. But I thought Ysengrin was on the edge of the Forest, and the big shield was forming right in front of him. So is the Gillitie beacon coming from deeper inside the Court (and not from Ysengrin)? Someone help me out here! hmm... do we now have some directional/geographic information? www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1972suggests that Coysengrin and the two mega-trees are more or less in a line, while he floats over the destroyed bridge. The trees are leaning/stretching towards Ysote and Gillitie, shooting down root-boom-spears in their direction. That would make Egger's power-jump www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1976more or less at right angles to the Coysengrin-megatree line, with our favorite fusion Gillitie god floating out of frame somewhere off to the right. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1981panel 2 shows the same Sprang-bubble-shaved Megatree with the Sun setting behind... indicating that direction is west(-ish). That would seem to make Gillitie north of the Court. But.... panel 4 shows the Gillitie beacon behind them, and thus east(-ish). So either there is some artistic liscense here, or the Annan curves around the Court, and the Forest borders the Court from the east and north. This presumes that the beacon was launched from the Forest; Coysengrin would have had to delegate its launch, or move quickly (through the trees he has melted into?) to th side to launch it. |
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Post by warrl on May 1, 2018 6:35:01 GMT
The one thing that REALLY confuses me (again, can't believe I just said that) is WHERE the heck all these different things are taking place. Rey and Annie are looking towards the big tree being pruned by the giant shield, and then they look behind them in the exact opposite direction to see the Gillitie beacon. But I thought Ysengrin was on the edge of the Forest, and the big shield was forming right in front of him. So is the Gillitie beacon coming from deeper inside the Court (and not from Ysengrin)? Someone help me out here! The shield appeared to be a dome. And they appeared to be inside it, so no matter what direction they looked (except maybe down) they'd in principle be looking toward the shield. Meanwhile, Ys attacked it at least once from above, which kind of implies that the effects of his rampage could have happened all around the place. A tree so tall that the shield cuts it off, not particularly close to the Forest? Okay, that can work. Ysengrin being roughly on the opposite-from-the-tree side of some arbitrary unspecified point in the Court? Well, yeah, if the tree isn't immediately adjacent to the Forest there are necessarily some suitable points. Now why they don't appear to be looking at the beacon through the shield... |
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Post by gpvos on May 1, 2018 7:21:00 GMT
Wouldn't this mean that Antimony is fired from her position as medium? |
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Post by TBeholder on May 1, 2018 7:59:29 GMT
looking back at this page again makes me wonder if he could teleport through trees like a dryad before he got Coyote's strength. Now that you mention that page, I wonder if the following one and the page almost after will have any relevance or be brought up in the ongoing situation. Uh, all 3 links are the same. Are you using Webcomic Reader? :] Ok, well, from a certain perspective, (I can't believe I'm saying this) it would actually make perfect sense for Coyosengrin to ask for negotiations to be opened at this point in time. He's made some pretty dramatic & destructive gestures while initially reveling in his new power, but now he needs to actually try and establish himself as nominal "leader" of Gillitie Wood after Coyote, and that means re-negotiating a whole mess of things, not least of which is the whole Medium deal. Well, yeah. Playtime is clearly over, and he's probably not in the right mood for smashing things any more. |
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Post by fjodorii on May 1, 2018 11:40:30 GMT
Wouldn't this mean that Antimony is fired from her position as medium? Bridges can be rebuilt. But I'd say she is on temporary garden leave. |
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Post by fjodorii on May 1, 2018 11:45:16 GMT
Not sure if important, but I notice the colour of the GF sign is the same colour as when we first saw it. In speech bubbles Tom uses colours to identify individual characters, so maybe this suggests Coyote is back in control? |
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Post by madjack on May 1, 2018 11:55:00 GMT
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Post by fjodorii on May 1, 2018 12:46:16 GMT
Ah thanks! That turns my train of thought upside down quite nicely :-)
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Post by Gulby on May 1, 2018 16:48:46 GMT
Aw, man! I thought several days ago that this might happen, but I didn't post anything about it. Now I have to content myself with imaginary cookies.  Consolation cookies for ya.  |
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Post by pyradonis on May 1, 2018 21:05:00 GMT
I can definitely see Ys demanding Annie's permanent presence in the forest as a citizen and their medium. Whether he'll get it is another matter, but the balance has shifted alright. From a narrative point of view, I doubt such a demand would be granted; it'd be difficult to continue the webcomic in a recognizable way if Annie moved out of the Court. Not if it's not permanent. Annie spent months in the Forest before, which was not shown in the main comic. |
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Post by red4bestgirl on May 2, 2018 0:20:26 GMT
I'm still willing to believe the signal's been sent up by Coyote, back in black, blue and red. When they arrive he'll have a bound, gagged and bloody Ysengrin at his paws, explaining this was all a mistake, and that Y will be taken care of, with a big fat grin. So it's very clearly part of the authorial intent that we should be skeptical about the idea of Coyote really being dead here. That seems to be the entire point of the dead goose by the lake story "arc" for instance. However I honestly think it would be deeply and genuinely bad writing to do the un-reveal here. Any reversion to status quo is just throwing away plot and character development and legitimately interesting storylines for, what? Just for a really telegraphed fakeout? It's also worth noting that by no means does Coyote being genuinely dead mean that he won't continue to be a character in the story. On the contrary, I expect that at some point in the not too near future we will meet the psychopomp for gods and get to confirm that, yes, Coyote is actually dead (at least for the moment) by encountering his ghost. |
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Post by arf on May 2, 2018 3:50:48 GMT
So nice of him to want to discuss terms of surrender. "We're here to talk about surrender" "Oh ho ho, so soon? What conditions do you place on your surrender?" "OUR surrender?" Sorry! |
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Post by gpvos on May 2, 2018 7:04:21 GMT
Wouldn't this mean that Antimony is fired from her position as medium? Bridges can be rebuilt. But I'd say she is on temporary garden leave. Well, if you nearly kill someone, you can't expect them to work for you, let alone represent you anymore. Then again, employment relationships may work differently in the Forest. |
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Post by todd on May 2, 2018 12:39:48 GMT
One thought about the upcoming negotiations: there've been hints that what Ysengrin's really angry about isn't what the Court's done to Gilltie Wood in the past (though that might have helped), but Coyote's theory that human imagination created all the etheric beings, including himself and Ysengrin, and that they'd be nothing without humans to dream them up. But (assuming that Coyote's right), that was something that the humans just did by their nature, without any deliberate plan in mind. Which makes this a grievance it'd be hard to resolve. (And suggests that what Ysengrin's really angry at is the way the world works and that he's attacking the humans in the manner of a man who, angry at the world, kicks a wall or a tree because it's something he can get at.)
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Post by Igniz on May 3, 2018 3:19:13 GMT
Uh, all 3 links are the same. Are you using Webcomic Reader? :] Nope, it was just a typing error when copy-pasting the link from the cited post.  |
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Post by ih8pkmn on May 3, 2018 5:56:16 GMT
I honestly expected there to be an "all just a dream" ending here. I'm not sure whether that's more on me, or more on the state of the comic as of late.
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Post by todd on May 3, 2018 13:43:39 GMT
I honestly expected there to be an "all just a dream" ending here. I'm not sure whether that's more on me, or more on the state of the comic as of late. I still think that such an ending to the chapter would have ruined it - and that Tom would have had to work hard, after that, to keep most of the readers from deserting the comic in disgust. |
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