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Post by fjodorii on Apr 11, 2018 14:34:41 GMT
I have this mental picture of Tom sitting behind his computer with a cup of tea, mildly laughing at all of us, thinking "You lot have no idea where this chapter is going."
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Post by shadow3 on Apr 11, 2018 14:35:29 GMT
This probably isn't even his final form.
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Post by madjack on Apr 11, 2018 14:51:13 GMT
I have this mental picture of Tom sitting behind his computer with a cup of tea, mildly laughing at all of us, thinking "You lot have no idea where this chapter is going." It's what keeps us coming back. |
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Post by fjodorii on Apr 11, 2018 14:53:58 GMT
It's what keeps us coming back. Yep. Been that way for the past 1,900 pages  |
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Post by Spoopy on Apr 11, 2018 15:47:08 GMT
Ysengrin's shining fist looks remarkably human. ...hmmm. I noticed that as well. Both of his front legs are now human-arm-shaped. He's not bothering to hide his envy of humans anymore I guess. |
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Post by blazingstar on Apr 11, 2018 16:45:11 GMT
Ysengrin's shining fist looks remarkably human. ...hmmm. I noticed that as well. Both of his front legs are now human-arm-shaped. He's not bothering to hide his envy of humans anymore I guess. I was thinking something similar to both of you. When he received Coyote's power over plants, he made his new tree-body upright and with human arms, complete with anatomically correct muscles and sinews. Now that he's received his Strength, he makes hands that are almost human-like flesh. He can call humans weak and pathetic all he likes, but when given chances at true strength, who does he model his new power after...? This is giving us an interesting look into the psyche of Ysengrin. |
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Post by Eve Swann on Apr 11, 2018 17:10:36 GMT
"This hand of mine glows with an AWESOME POWER!!"
There's no way the death toll from this is gonna be less than two figures. And I only say that instead of three because the Court is always so deserted.
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Post by atteSmythe on Apr 11, 2018 17:25:57 GMT
I'm waiting for that "great responsibility" bit to catch up This is the 'not everyone will be getting out of this alive' page. RIP PAZ |
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Post by jda on Apr 11, 2018 17:31:00 GMT
Time to go Mega - Spang, Anja! |
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Post by csj on Apr 11, 2018 17:33:49 GMT
*Furriness intensifies*
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Post by Runningflame on Apr 11, 2018 18:25:02 GMT
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Post by blazingstar on Apr 11, 2018 18:37:31 GMT
"This hand of mine glows with an AWESOME POWER!!" There's no way the death toll from this is gonna be less than two figures. And I only say that instead of three because the Court is always so deserted. I had to Google that quote to find out what your reference is from, and now I'm rolling laughing. Welcome to the forums, PurrElise. |
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Post by faiiry on Apr 11, 2018 19:17:08 GMT
Ysengrin kill count: probably at least like 5 people by now. We aren't seeing any blood, but he has destroyed a lot of property. It's dollars to donuts there was a person among that rubble. Although this IS Gunnerkrigg Court, so it's not likely we will actually see a dead body or anything.
Given the fact that we saw all those important characters a few pages back, would it be over-the-top to guess that one of them might be a casualty?
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Post by fia on Apr 11, 2018 19:31:56 GMT
Thinking about what the Scooby Gang will do as a response, independently of the Court.
* Jack can fly, so that might be helpful
* I hope Jenny studied up on her witch skills
* Annie has fire powers, super effective against trees
* Parley and Eggers might do a number on any Ysenyote minions that might crop up, but I hope they don't face Ysenyote directly...
* Can the dryad lady do anything helpful? Maybe evacuate people, if she's not dead yet.
* The students in Chester and Foley might have powers we don't know about that may be useful.
* I suspect most robots will be helpless, except for the Laser Cows.
* Kat is clearly the Mecha Angel Goddess we all need, and may face off against Ysenyote in the ether with her Mecha-Pigeonhead-Godsuit
* Reynardine can take anything with eyes... so... he may end up the Deus Ex Machina to resolve the whole mess or bring it full circle.
* Oh man if he literally comes out of a machine made by Kat ... !
I'm not counting any of the adult-types because I expect that they are going to have a super-organized, elaborate plan that might keep Ysenyote busy but will ultimately fail. And who knows what Jones will do. Probably help evacuate and then do some observation from the sidelines... it's sort of her M.O. Then again, why have her be so demonstrably powerful if she won't play some epic role in the series finale? Hm.
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Post by fia on Apr 11, 2018 19:33:56 GMT
Second thought:
Perhaps Kat's master plan will solve the main problems of Alchemy for all time and use Antimony as a catalyst to produce the Philosopher's Stone that will bring the fallen back to life.
That, or she'll just invent these amazing time-traveling Tic-Tocs that help steer the events of the story in a way that reduces the casualties of one of the possible timelines.
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Post by saardvark on Apr 11, 2018 19:37:56 GMT
Given the fact that we saw all those important characters a few pages back, would it be over-the-top to guess that one of them might be a casualty? This might be where Margo's John says goodbye.... |
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Post by saardvark on Apr 11, 2018 19:50:47 GMT
Thinking about what the Scooby Gang will do as a response, independently of the Court. * Can the dryad lady do anything helpful? Maybe evacuate people, if she's not dead yet. * I suspect most robots will be helpless, except for the Laser Cows. Second thought: Perhaps Kat's master plan will solve the main problems of Alchemy for all time and use Antimony as a catalyst to produce the Philosopher's Stone that will bring the fallen back to life. the dryad lady can pass through trees... perhaps she could use the Court's new Mega-trees and/or the Annan crossing Spak-roots to slip into the Forest and cause some mischief... The seraphs have laser-capable eyes (one of them burned the creator symbol over Kat's workshop) so maybe they can join up with the laser-cows ... Zimmy could always step in and put a major warp on the whole business... speaking of "bringing the fallen back to life", another thing the Scoobs could do is to reconstitute Coyote from the giggle blade, goose bone and Coyote water TM.... |
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Post by todd on Apr 11, 2018 20:11:44 GMT
I think the Court would not want to make Jeanne public, period, once they found out about her. The consequences of the revelation that the Founders had committed such a deed would be devastating (not that they might matter at this point, with what Ysengrin's doing to the place). Though I can imagine them trying some frantic damage control, like pulling down the monument to Sir Young in the "Residential" area (assuming that the giant tree hasn't already demolished it). Annie's not going to the grown-ups about her discovery is the strongest case they can bring against her - while her close-moutedness was understandable, much of it may have stemmed as much from one of her leading weaknesses - the insistence on doing things herself rather than turning to the adults for help. (She had less excuse to leave Jones out of it, since Jones isn't officially part of the Court and wouldn't be beholden to the higher-ups.) As for releasing Jeanne - I think Annie was in a bind. She and Kat had learned: a) that the Founders had committed a horrendous act whose results were still in effect (murdering two people, then binding their ghosts, keeping them from moving on and corrupting one of those people into a rage-filled ghost who would attack anyone, even other members of the Court) and b) that they had the ability to undo this act and set the imprisoned ghosts free. Under those circumstances, leaving Jeanne and her lover down there would have made them accessories after the fact to the Founders' crime. I'd say the only alternative they had was to leave the Court forever, so as no longer to be beneficiaries of Jeanne's binding, and find somewhere else to live. Did they give enough thought to the fact that Jeanne was put there to protect the Court? I think it's important to remember that the documentation through which they learned about the Founders' act (Diego's recording) focused on Diego's motives (the jealousy of a rejected suitor, seeking revenge), which were wholly wrong, while placing the "protect the Court" motivation of the rest of the Founders in the background. That would certainly have colored Annie and Kat's perspective, and might have kept them from fully considering the "defense against the Forest" aspect of the reason for the double murder. (Though it was still a double murder, and even that motive didn't stop one of the Founders from walking out of the meeting in disgust, refusing to take part in the plan. And I think that Sir Young and the rest must have realized, from their cover-up, that what they were doing was still wrong, no matter what its motives. Though they don't seem to have been as burdened about it as Diego was, judging from Sir Young and Steadman's final moments - just as well, perhaps, given that whaever remorse about it couldn't be sincere while they continued to use Jeanne as a defense. As Shakespeare put it in "Hamlet": "'Forgive me my foul murder?' That cannot be, since I am still possessed of those efects for which I did the murder... May one be pardon'd, and retain th'offence?") Perhaps if Annie and Kat had gone to the grown-ups about this, Anja or Donald or Jones would have found a solution for the problem - balancing the needs of Jeanne and her lover (to be set free from their wrongful imprisonment) and the needs of the Court (to be kept safe from the Forest). Though I'm not sure what that solution would have been. (I recall a few suggestions here in the past about putting a new guardian in Jeanne's place. But since that plan depended on killing two people and turning one of them into a vengeful ghost from whom nobody was safe, that would only repeat the original misdeed.) I wonder whether freeing Jeanne made much difference, anyway, since none of Ysengrin's attacks so far have involved the ravine. Jeanne couldn't have countered them, any more than she could prevent the Bound Dogs in "Ties" from entering the Court, the possessed Robot from crossing the bridge, or Coyote from knocking that building down. |
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Post by crater on Apr 11, 2018 20:41:00 GMT
Ysengrin at least Madara Uchiha tier right now, bear minimum
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Post by philman on Apr 11, 2018 21:27:32 GMT
This seems like the sort of page where the next update finally shows the court's response. Jeanne can't have been their only defense, and they have had time to react by now. Ysengrin will be shocked or surprised by their next reaction.
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Post by Per on Apr 11, 2018 21:43:10 GMT
First the comic's committed to showing what this is only a fraction of.  |
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Post by Eversist on Apr 11, 2018 22:52:15 GMT
I haven't been keeping up with every post in recent threads, but has he actually crossed the waters yet? ( This page seems to imply he's still over the ravine.) Maybe there's some sort of force-field-y that will prevent him from physically moving closer? On the other foot, I know I said before that I think the Court has a contingency plan, but do you guys think they were fully relying on Jeanne for defense against the forest? |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 12, 2018 0:03:28 GMT
This seems like the sort of page where the next update finally shows the court's response. Jeanne can't have been their only defense, and they have had time to react by now. Ysengrin will be shocked or surprised by their next reaction. Maybe we'll see the robots' response shortly but the human members of the Court probably haven't had nearly enough time to coordinate anything. We may start seeing individuals showing up at the former bridge and giant tree locations. Ys has achieved tactical surprise at the minimum; the high muckety-mucks probably don't know exactly what's going on yet. There's probably humans in the Court who don't even know they're under attack yet. To be fair, even Ys didn't know he'd be attacking the Court today. Good news: The low population and high technology level should mean that the cellphones will function normally. Without those the Court itself probably couldn't coordinate a response. I think the Court would not want to make Jeanne public, period, once they found out about her. The consequences of the revelation that the Founders had committed such a deed would be devastating (not that they might matter at this point, with what Ysengrin's doing to the place). Though I can imagine them trying some frantic damage control, like pulling down the monument to Sir Young in the "Residential" area (assuming that the giant tree hasn't already demolished it). Crisis management is an art. Now that Jeanne is gone I can imagine a scenario where the current Court would willingly reveal the story of Jeanne to distract from a current scandal so they could position themselves as much more virtuous in comparison (see below) but it would have to be in the context of a wider PR campaign to make sure the "correct" message gets across. As for releasing Jeanne - I think Annie was in a bind. She and Kat had learned: a) that the Founders had committed a horrendous act whose results were still in effect (murdering two people, then binding their ghosts, keeping them from moving on and corrupting one of those people into a rage-filled ghost who would attack anyone, even other members of the Court) and b) that they had the ability to undo this act and set the imprisoned ghosts free. Under those circumstances, leaving Jeanne and her lover down there would have made them accessories after the fact to the Founders' crime. I'd say the only alternative they had was to leave the Court forever, so as no longer to be beneficiaries of Jeanne's binding, and find somewhere else to live. I dunno if I'd go so far as to say it'd make Antimony et al accessories to Jeanne's death but it would be tacit approval if they didn't do anything to free Jeanne in the name of leaving her at her post defending the Court. But I don't think that even entered into Antimony's thought process. Jeanne = trapped spirit in pain, Antimony = medium, if Jeanne and Antimony then Antimony frees Jeanne. And since this is going to be a mess where people die and survivors are going to be asking how this all happened and what the Court could've done to prevent it, if anyone does spill the story of how Antimony freed Jeanne (and doubly so if they include how she didn't inform the Court) then the Court will likely hang the entire blame on Antimony. Actually, she'd be so useful as a blame-sponge that I doubt they'd even kick her out of the Court; they'd want to keep her around as a walking and talking reminder of who was at fault. I wonder whether freeing Jeanne made much difference, anyway, since none of Ysengrin's attacks so far have involved the ravine. Jeanne couldn't have countered them, any more than she could prevent the Bound Dogs in "Ties" from entering the Court, the possessed Robot from crossing the bridge, or Coyote from knocking that building down. It is good when the enemy doesn't know exactly what your defenses are or what they can do. They knew *something* was slaughtering whatever tried to cross the river and though it didn't attack Robot crossing the bridge, birds flying across the ravine, or the shadow men up on the edge that isn't a guarantee that it can't. In fact, Jeanne crossed the Annan once because Antimony was on the opposite edge. I think Jeanne just stayed down there because that's where she was waiting/haunting; if motivated enough she might be able to go farther up the cliff or even into the Court or Wood. The deterrence here reminds me of a fleet-in-port. Even if your ships never leave their harbor they someday might so your potential adversaries have to deploy their navies with that fact in mind and that limits what they can do elsewhere. |
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Post by todd on Apr 12, 2018 0:18:01 GMT
I dunno if I'd go so far as to say it'd make Antimony et al accessories to Jeanne's death but it would be tacit approval if they didn't do anything to free Jeanne in the name of leaving her at her post defending the Court. But I don't think that even entered into Antimony's thought process. Jeanne = trapped spirit in pain, Antimony = medium, if Jeanne and Antimony then Antimony frees Jeanne. And since this is going to be a mess where people die and survivors are going to be asking how this all happened and what the Court could've done to prevent it, if anyone does spill the story of how Antimony freed Jeanne (and doubly so if they include how she didn't inform the Court) then the Court will likely hang the entire blame on Antimony. Actually, she'd be so useful as a blame-sponge that I doubt they'd even kick her out of the Court; they'd want to keep her around as a walking and talking reminder of who was at fault. Though I'm still not sure that the Court would want to admit it, once it found out. (Unless they made up a false story about Jeanne that made the Founders appear blameless, while destroying Diego's video-log, once they found it, to dispose of the evidence that could counter their story.) |
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Post by todd on Apr 12, 2018 0:21:16 GMT
On the other foot, I know I said before that I think the Court has a contingency plan, but do you guys think they were fully relying on Jeanne for defense against the forest? Remember that the Court didn't even know any longer that Jeanne existed. It's possible that they were relying on things like the current Protector's fighting skills and sword to deal with attacks - and they might even have gotten complacent about Gilltie Wood. (Their relations with the forest had reached enough of a lull by the time Surma left that they didn't bother appointing a new Medium at once to succeed her.) They might also have been counting on Coyote's promise to leave the Court in peace (though that didn 't stop them from snaring Renard), believing that Coyote would rein in the rest of the forest-folk. |
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Post by gergle on Apr 12, 2018 1:30:15 GMT
Wild speculation, I wonder if Donny has a few much larger versions of that little rocket of his stacked up in a warehouse somewhere? Ys might get a rude introduction to the 21st century here in a bit.
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Post by Zox Tomana on Apr 12, 2018 1:55:07 GMT
Something that came to my mind as I looked at this page again this evening: this is something that Jeanne would not have been able to prevent, I don't think. First off, our pupper there is high in the sky, not crossing the river. Second, as powerful as Jeanne is, if Parley is capable of holding her off, the power of Coyote ought to be more than enough to stop a rage ghost. Second off, the growth of the roots form the Forest side seems to create bridges above Jeanne's domain for Forest denizens to cross at will. Jeanne's whisking away may have been the impetus for Coyote to do this, but I don't think Jeanne would actually have been an effective defense.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 12, 2018 2:07:31 GMT
Something that came to my mind as I looked at this page again this evening: this is something that Jeanne would not have been able to prevent, I don't think. Likely true but the Wood didn't know that so Jeanne was effective as a deterrent. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Apr 12, 2018 3:33:47 GMT
They won't get out alive, but maybe they'll... get better?I don't expect it will, but I hope GC really doesn't go down this road. It would be really, really strange if Gunnerkigg Court suddenly became a Monty Python sketch. But I'd allow it. |
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Post by Zox Tomana on Apr 12, 2018 3:54:28 GMT
Something that came to my mind as I looked at this page again this evening: this is something that Jeanne would not have been able to prevent, I don't think. Likely true but the Wood didn't know that so Jeanne was effective as a deterrent. Mmm, yeah, but there was also the thing where Coyote apparently had no interest in directly attacking the Court either. If Jeanne were still around, I think the sequence would merely change to where Ysengrin went after the guard of the river, and then began attacking. I can't recall properly, but I think Word of Tom is that in Jeanne vs. Coyote, Coyote would win? Need to confirm that. |
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