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Post by Corvo on Mar 19, 2018 12:56:18 GMT
Looking at the first panel again... Is he lifting himself up on a whirlwind/tornado kind of thing? What other powers is he going to show off? I see it only as some dirt that followed his super jump. |
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Post by todd on Mar 19, 2018 12:59:16 GMT
Why the hell didn't they destroy those seeds. Too eager to study them, I suspect. I agree it didn't make sense to keep them - but then, settling next to a forest full of powerful and hostile creatures doesn't seem that advisable, either. |
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Post by madjack on Mar 19, 2018 13:06:49 GMT
Looking at the first panel again... Is he lifting himself up on a whirlwind/tornado kind of thing? What other powers is he going to show off? I see it only as some dirt that followed his super jump. If you mean the very foreground, I think that's just dust kicked up from the bridge collapse. I'm talking about the watercolour breaking up the clouds in the first panel, looks a bit like a small tornado. |
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Post by psibakaonna on Mar 19, 2018 13:11:09 GMT
I think that's just to signify ether manipulation, kinda like an aura. Tom's used them before when a magical creature is using magic/is posturing. Here for example. |
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 19, 2018 13:40:46 GMT
I believe, Y's motivation is to "show the Court how weak they truly are". Not too dissimilar from a wolf displaying dominance. A display of strength, with a permanent Forest addition, may be all that's needed. If Jeanne's "dream" of the Old Court is accurate, the Court wasn't always so industrial. It may be better off with some additions (Though, I wouldn't want to be working in the botany lab, right now).
At the end, Y may need to piss on the Headmaster, to further mark his territory and display dominance. How the Headmaster will feel about this is less certain.
Will the Court officials blame Annie as the Forest medium?
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Post by Sky Schemer on Mar 19, 2018 14:30:04 GMT
(choose one)
The Court will:
(a) retaliate with a weaponized Zimmy
(b) diffuse the attack by sucking the ether out of the air
(c) send in the dryads
(d) commission a new city park
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Mar 19, 2018 14:30:32 GMT
Finally those seeds are being put to use! Just quick note: THOSE BETTER NOT BE IN ANY LAB PAZ IS WORKING IN, BECAUSE IF SHE GETS HURT, IT'LL BE FOREST GOD AGAINST MECHA ETHER GOD BATTLE EXTRAVANGANZA! Paz works mainly with animals, not plants, so I guess she'll be fine... Seeing as the Court is very very big, I also think she'll be fine. But creating some drama is Tom's job, sooooo.... We're not out of the forest yet! How is Annie going to give spankies to Y'nCeh now? Could she ether out that far to bring our K9 god back to his senses? |
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Post by blazingstar on Mar 19, 2018 14:53:03 GMT
Why the hell didn't they destroy those seeds. Or at least put them in containment like robot's arm, isolated from / drained of all magic to be sure they pose no threat to the court. I'm really disappointed at the Court's oversight here. They're usually steps ahead of this sort of thing - Jones recognized that dropping the seeds in the first place was a " transparent ruse". |
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 19, 2018 14:57:13 GMT
Why the hell didn't they destroy those seeds. The Court is secretly a branch of the Foundation. Secure, Contain, Protect. |
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Post by bgb16999 on Mar 19, 2018 15:07:33 GMT
Now that's a long callback.
Maybe now we will learn why Ys lied about finding the tic-toc, too.
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 19, 2018 15:58:31 GMT
Well there's a Chekhov's gun we haven't seen in a while. But so far it's more like Chekhov's maracas. |
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Post by faiiry on Mar 19, 2018 17:08:30 GMT
I think this page makes it clear that Coyote is running the show. When was the last time Ysengrin said anything with an exclamation point?
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Post by saardvark on Mar 19, 2018 17:16:31 GMT
Now that's a long callback. Maybe now we will learn why Ys lied about finding the tic-toc, too. He may have lied about the tic-toc to give him an excuse to raise a fuss about it at the Court, and drop the seeds. |
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Post by saardvark on Mar 19, 2018 17:30:20 GMT
The big question now is, whether this new phase of the attack on the Court is what Coyote wants or what Ysengrin wants (getting into the question of whether this is Ysengrin's consciousness or whether what we're now seeing is Coyote in the body that used to be Ysengrin's). Ysengrin is genuinely angry at the Court and wants to strike back at it. Coyote's tone, on the other hand, has been more of a practical joker, committing mischievous acts because they amused him; his meddling with the Court is based on that rather than the "ideological feud" that's motivated Ysengrin, the Shadow People, and the monsters from "Crash Course". (Unless he does indeed share their hatred of the Court and has been hiding it beneath his "just for the laughs" exterior.) And I don't know which motive would be the more dangerous. Hatred of the Court based on fear (presumably fear of the consequences of the Court's experiments with the ether) and the resentment over the implication that the forest-folk are merely the creation of the human imagination and have no independent existence - or simply seeing it as something fun to do? (If the latter, and this is indeed Coyote in Ysengrin's body, with Ysengrin's essence consumed, as many readers have suggested, then the Court's only hope may be for Coyote to get bored after a bit and leave.) The "Ah yes, of course!" to me sounds more like something Coyote would say to himself. Another reason for thinking this is Coyote controlling Ys' body. I'm gonna guess that Coyogrin will use the rapid growth of the seeds (a mini-Gillitie suddenly erupting in the Court!) as an amusing (for him) means to distract the forces of the Court, while he goes about his tricksy plan to do what this is actually all about. The Court's experiments with the ether (= Omega ?) might be an existential threat to Coyote, so he might be wanting to obliterate that project. |
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 19, 2018 18:07:51 GMT
I think this page makes it clear that Coyote is running the show. When was the last time Ysengrin said anything with an exclamation point? by page number, page 1814 chronologically. |
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Post by stef1987 on Mar 19, 2018 18:29:12 GMT
Was Ysengrin playing the long con all this time?
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Post by elebenty on Mar 19, 2018 20:07:53 GMT
They should've had Jones eat them for safekeeping. It would be amusing to see branches growing out of Jones' ears.... No organic matter to feed them in there, they'd just be scrawny Krummholz. |
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Post by calpal on Mar 19, 2018 23:56:10 GMT
You know, funny thing... I haven't seen Coyote around in these threads...
I wonder if there's a connection?
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Post by todd on Mar 20, 2018 0:15:03 GMT
I'm really disappointed at the Court's oversight here. They're usually steps ahead of this sort of thing - Jones recognized that dropping the seeds in the first place was a " transparent ruse". Overconfidence, I suppose. Particularly in light of the Court's tendency to dismiss the forest-folk as their inferiors. It strikes me that the attacks on the Court were ones that Jeanne couldn't have countered even if she was still there - first, destroying the bridge, then activating the seeds, both outside of her range. |
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Post by todd on Mar 20, 2018 0:19:48 GMT
Will the Court officials blame Annie as the Forest medium? The clear blame's on Coyote and Ysengrin; Annie was just the bystander when that happened. (Annie's freeing Jeanne influenced Coyote's decision, but the Court doesn't know about that - and as I mentioned above, so far the attacks have been things that Jeanne couldn't have blocked anyway.) There might be the temptation to blame Annie with a tone of "That creature attacking us from above is clearly responsible, but he's too powerful for us to do anything about, so we'll take it out on the girl in a 'kicking the wall' manner", but I doubt that the Court is that childish. More likely they'll be too busy dealing with the attack to have time for recriminations. |
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Post by davidm on Mar 20, 2018 1:39:37 GMT
This is clearly all Annie's fault. With her seductive charms and her skirt she was seducing coyotes nose when they first met and Ysengrin got jealous and ate coyote and is now trying to grow a tree full of flowers to win Annie's heart. But will Jack and Renard let him?
Which prospective future son in law will Brokenman prefer? Spiderman, Foxwolfman, or Treegodman? Will Annie be allowed to go after midnight on dates?
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Post by rafk on Mar 20, 2018 3:52:37 GMT
I'm really disappointed at the Court's oversight here. They're usually steps ahead of this sort of thing - Jones recognized that dropping the seeds in the first place was a " transparent ruse". Overconfidence, I suppose. Particularly in light of the Court's tendency to dismiss the forest-folk as their inferiors. It strikes me that the attacks on the Court were ones that Jeanne couldn't have countered even if she was still there - first, destroying the bridge, then activating the seeds, both outside of her range. I suspect that the Court's device + Jeanne did in some way prevent at least part of this. They definitely did more than prevent people crossing at river level, otherwise what would have been the point? |
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Post by rafk on Mar 20, 2018 3:55:01 GMT
Thinking further. This is what Coyote has been working towards. Setting up and guiding Annie and co towards the removal of Jeanne, getting the seeds in place years in advance.. what else has Coyote been patiently plotting, what other hidden pawns on the board in waiting for the moment the path was cleared for this moment? The only question is really whether Reynardine being at the Court, and everything with Surma, was a failed generation of Coyote's plans or whether it was all a very long term set up indeed. I feel that is exactly what it will turn out to be. I think Coyote is more an opportunist than a long-term-calculations player. He's been spreading potential for chaos, not knowing how that potential could be exploited later, but knowing some opportunity would probably arise at some point. He'd only just met Annie when the seeds were left in the Court back then. I'm sure he smelled some fun ahead, but he couldn't have had any master plan about Jeanne at that point. The seeds were just an entertaining time bomb that might prove useful later. And I doubt Coyote could ever have made Annie free Jeanne anyway. It happened because Annie wanted to do it. But once it happened, it became something for him to use. The same way, Ysengrin's temper and hate for humans is something he's been playing around probably for centuries. He didn't know how he'd make that particular bomb explode in everybody's face, but he knew he could make it explode whenever he found a sufficiently entertaining time and place. At some point, he decided he had all the ingredients of really cool fireworks and started mixing the powder and adding the fuse. That sounds like long term planning to me. He may not have known the exact day his plans would pay off, but it's still long term planning. Coyote has been around a long time and his editing of Ysengrin's memories may have been going on for literal centuries. I doubt he's as short term a thinker as he sometimes presents. |
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Post by arkadi on Mar 20, 2018 5:41:43 GMT
...and the Court kept the bloody seeds, because of course they would.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 20, 2018 12:45:25 GMT
Something that just occurred to me... He is talking to himself...so which language is he using?
A God should be able to speak any language. But which language do they prefer to hear themselves talk? And which language do they speak among each other? I assume a God's preferred language is that of the people who first created them. But what language does a fusion God prefer? And in which did they communicate before? English? A Native American language? Barks, yips and growls? The common language of the Forest? Or each their own, because as Gods, of course they understand everything the other says?
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Post by philman on Mar 20, 2018 12:45:43 GMT
I think this page makes it clear that Coyote is running the show. When was the last time Ysengrin said anything with an exclamation point? by page number, page 1814 chronologically. Nice research! |
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Post by kralex on Mar 20, 2018 13:12:59 GMT
Coyote sneaked other bits and pieces of himself into the court; we know about the tooth (knife) and the water.
Maybe was thinking ahead and planned for a way of watering and pruning the saplings sprung from those seeds?
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Post by agasa on Mar 20, 2018 13:21:43 GMT
Majestic
Though I still think that Coysengrin's design's goofy.
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Post by blazingstar on Mar 20, 2018 14:04:47 GMT
Coyote sneaked other bits and pieces of himself into the court; we know about the tooth (knife) and the water. Maybe was thinking ahead and planned for a way of watering and pruning the saplings sprung from those seeds? . (For the record, I don't agree with this theory, though it's good for wildspec! I just wanted to say the thing about gardening.) |
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Post by aline on Mar 20, 2018 14:32:01 GMT
That sounds like long term planning to me. He may not have known the exact day his plans would pay off, but it's still long term planning. Coyote has been around a long time and his editing of Ysengrin's memories may have been going on for literal centuries. I doubt he's as short term a thinker as he sometimes presents. I didn't say he's a short-time thinker, I said he's an opportunist. Yes, he's been messing with Ysengrin for a long time with the hope to use that someday. But I don't believe he predicted this particular outcome when he messed with his memories, or when Ysengrin dropped those seeds back in chapter 14. I also don't believe he had some grand plan to make Annie free Jeanne like some people have suggested. I'm pretty sure he saw Annie as someone who would stir things up, someone who wouldn't just do as she's told, and kept her around because of that. But he didn't calculate every little thing. |
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