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Post by calpal on Mar 9, 2018 15:23:48 GMT
Let's give Tom a big hand for suspense!
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Post by saardvark on Mar 9, 2018 15:27:28 GMT
I definitely sense a different sort of imbalance added to his personality - First it was his rage & missing mind bits, now there's this capricious ease about him. bet that comes from the capricious Coyote side of his (fused?) character.... |
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Post by saardvark on Mar 9, 2018 15:29:19 GMT
Honestly, he just wants a high-five from Annie over his ascension to power. What is everyone freaking out about? Tom might do a fast one, and have the hand pass them by. Ignoring our runners on the bridge (and the bridge itself), what else could Y be grabbing for? An entire admin building to have a "talk" with the Headmaster and staff? The Ether lake power plant for crushing? Something the Court's been holding since the river formed? I vote for smooshing the ether plant , or snatching best bud Rey back to the green side of Annan gorge.... |
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Post by clover on Mar 9, 2018 15:31:07 GMT
That's clearly a hand of fate, not death. Looks like Annie and Smitty will take care of the place while the master is away.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 9, 2018 15:46:16 GMT
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Post by liminal on Mar 9, 2018 15:58:18 GMT
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Post by Eversist on Mar 9, 2018 16:41:43 GMT
My money is on some fire-burny sh*t from Annie, similar to when Eggers came after her that one time. What if, after all the drama and suspense, he just...destroys the bridge and disappears back into the forest? Or this. I really like this. |
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Post by Spoopy on Mar 9, 2018 16:57:24 GMT
The views presented make it look to me like he is going after specifically Annie and Smitty at the moment, I'm guessing to prevent them from warning the court. Going after a fire elemental with a wooden hand seems not particularly smart but maybe Coyote's power is great enough to capture the two of them in spite of that.
The only thing I'm sure about is that it'll be a tough wait until Monday.
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Post by jda on Mar 9, 2018 17:34:00 GMT
What if the hand only reaches and destroy the Annan Waters gorge? Like, leveLing the territoryy, or even ,cartoon-likely, claws at the Court and pulls it like a blanket,closing the Divide?
That will be THE show of strength, and will tell the humans How Weak they are, presumingly having disposed of "Whatever" was defending the Annan.
In the best scenario, everybody (human or not) will know it is free season.
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Post by jda on Mar 9, 2018 17:38:13 GMT
Also, most probably Annie& Co will suffer the remainder of the fallout of Jeanne's business...
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Post by gunnerscrag on Mar 9, 2018 17:41:53 GMT
Ysengrin has acquired the ultimate power which goes beyond all logic and understanding.
Hes now one of the looney tunes
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Post by Per on Mar 9, 2018 17:50:35 GMT
What if the hand only reaches and destroy the Annan Waters gorge? Like, leveLing the territoryy, or even ,cartoon-likely, claws at the Court and pulls it like a blanket,closing the Divide? Quick cut to fourteen suicide fairies at the bottom shouting "Yaay" before it closes. |
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Post by jda on Mar 9, 2018 19:15:42 GMT
What if the hand only reaches and destroy the Annan Waters gorge? Like, leveLing the territoryy, or even ,cartoon-likely, claws at the Court and pulls it like a blanket,closing the Divide? Quick cut to fourteen suicide fairies at the bottom shouting "Yaay" before it closes. |
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Post by faiiry on Mar 9, 2018 19:48:35 GMT
A few things. First, they're not in the forest anymore. Also, it is dubious whether this is Ysengrin. And finally, when Ysengrin said in Crash Course that he would never *intentionally* hurt Annie, he did not promise he wouldn't hurt her unintentionally. That page stands out to me, because Ysengrin is admitting by implication that he might hurt his human friend without meaning to. |
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Post by jda on Mar 9, 2018 19:56:41 GMT
Headmaster: "Pay no mind to the giant looming hand, The Annan Waters are impassable."
Annie: "Er..."
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Post by faiiry on Mar 9, 2018 20:55:53 GMT
In my view, the overarching theme of the comic has been Annie's continuous choice between the forest and the court, and even deeper, the choice between spirituality and science. This choice extends through all aspects of her life, from family (Surma - forest, Tony - science/court), to friends (Ysengrin/Coyote/the Anwyn - forest; Kat, Robot, etc - science/court, especially with respect to Kat being scientific and the forest creatures being mythological), to career (court medium in training, forest medium, psychopomp), to even her basic nature (human or fire elemental).
I love this overarching theme of duality because Tom has skillfully and subtly made it permeate through every layer of the comic. However, I bring this up now because I believe this chapter might force Annie to - even if temporarily - finally make the choice between forest and court. If there is a battle, sides will have to be chosen.
It seems obvious that Annie would side with the court and therefore with rationality and humanity. But the comic rarely takes the obvious path. What if Annie chooses to rebel against the court and finally fully embrace her non human side? I can't wait to see where this chapter goes.
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Post by hp on Mar 9, 2018 21:07:59 GMT
Looks like a Conan comic I've read some years ago, in which this giant hand comes sweeping into a battlefield and crushing a whole platoon
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Post by liminal on Mar 9, 2018 21:30:05 GMT
In my view, the overarching theme of the comic has been Annie's continuous choice between the forest and the court, and even deeper, the choice between spirituality and science. This choice extends through all aspects of her life, from family (Surma - forest, Tony - science/court), to friends (Ysengrin/Coyote/the Anwyn - forest; Kat, Robot, etc - science/court, especially with respect to Kat being scientific and the forest creatures being mythological), to career (court medium in training, forest medium, psychopomp), to even her basic nature (human or fire elemental). I love this overarching theme of duality because Tom has skillfully and subtly made it permeate through every layer of the comic. However, I bring this up now because I believe this chapter might force Annie to - even if temporarily - finally make the choice between forest and court. If there is a battle, sides will have to be chosen. It seems obvious that Annie would side with the court and therefore with rationality and humanity. But the comic rarely takes the obvious path. What if Annie chooses to rebel against the court and finally fully embrace her non human side? I can't wait to see where this chapter goes. Yes—all of those things. Though I suspect that—assuming there is a battle—we’ll need at least another chapter and perhaps a critical revelation about the court before she decides one way or another. A long-time reader mentioned being more eager/anxious about through this chapter more than any other, and I’m in agreement. That being said, Godwolf’s new powers are pretty handy. |
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Post by smurfton on Mar 9, 2018 22:24:52 GMT
What if the hand only reaches and destroy the Annan Waters gorge? Like, leveLing the territoryy, or even ,cartoon-likely, claws at the Court and pulls it like a blanket,closing the Divide? That will be THE show of strength, and will tell the humans How Weak they are, presumingly having disposed of "Whatever" was defending the Annan. In the best scenario, everybody (human or not) will know it is free season. I don't think he can do this. Coyote used the power of his Tooth to create the Annan Waters, and he gave that to Annie. I doubt Ysengrin could take the Tooth away without fetching it from the Court. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 9, 2018 22:42:14 GMT
No Coyote stories told in the comic (that I remember) deal with him interacting with humans. The forest is full of intelligent creatures to fool just as well. Two answers: 1. The Gunnerverse at least leans in an anthropocentric direction. Even though the 'Pomps come for the smallest insects humans seem to occupy a place in what keeps the world spinning that even the intelligent and powerful animals do not have. There's a reason why Jones appears to be a human woman. Even if someone wishes to contest that by arguing that the story follows human characters and that need not be so and may not be the case in the future, Coyote points at the diseased mind of man as his origin and we can extrapolate an efficiency from that and his interest in humans in generating whatever keeps him existing and powerful. And while it's true that there are humans in the Wood their community isn't very big and they believe in Coyote and are in awe of his power already. The Court is bigger, more complex in social structure and technology, and is home to humans who are trying to make themselves god(s) by investigating/manipulating things etheric. It's a much bigger and tastier meal however you look at it. 2. While Coyote probably doesn't mind looking like a whale in a bathtub at all, the dramas that exist in the Wood probably do not give him many opportunities to directly display his power in the way that a conflict between the Wood and Court would. Though both sides are equally situated between the ether and the gross material world (and I wouldn't really argue if someone wanted to say that they were still the same place despite the Annan divie) the Court is more interconnected with the outside world. The impact of Ys' use of Coyote's power (and stories of it) will spread to the larger human world much more efficiently than what he does in the Wood. A few things. First, they're not in the forest anymore. Also, it is dubious whether this is Ysengrin. And finally, when Ysengrin said in Crash Course that he would never *intentionally* hurt Annie, he did not promise he wouldn't hurt her unintentionally. That page stands out to me, because Ysengrin is admitting by implication that he might hurt his human friend without meaning to. Yep, the bridge isn't the Wood (see my previous post). But about who the current character we're dealing with is, I don't think that the identity matters much. Neither Ys nor Coyote want to hurt Antimony on purpose with maybe the following exceptions: Ys does when Antimony appears to think of Ysengrin as weak (see Ch. 26 and 39) and Coyote might sacrifice her with a laugh if he managed to get a really awesome, interesting, and useful story out of it. But no matter if this character is Ysengrin, Coyote wearing wolf's clothing, or a hybrid Coysntegrin, none of those three possibilities would wish Antimony harm right now. There's no way she would think he's weak and this story is just getting started. He hasn't even issued his ultimatum yet. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Mar 9, 2018 23:31:48 GMT
What if the hand only reaches and destroy the Annan Waters gorge? Like, leveLing the territoryy, or even ,cartoon-likely, claws at the Court and pulls it like a blanket,closing the Divide? That will be THE show of strength, and will tell the humans How Weak they are, presumingly having disposed of "Whatever" was defending the Annan. In the best scenario, everybody (human or not) will know it is free season. I don't think he can do this. Coyote used the power of his Tooth to create the Annan Waters, and he gave that to Annie. I doubt Ysengrin could take the Tooth away without fetching it from the Court. Huh? But Coyote never said he used- oh, I see what you mean. He did say, " it could cut the very earth" when giving the Tooth to Annie, and we just now saw him give Ysengrin his "strength" by tearing off a part off his body. Hmmmm. It's a clever interpretation, but I just like jda's theory too much to dismiss it! I might point out that he specifically said he used his paw when making the Divide, or that he seemed to make it clear that that one tooth was far from unique (literally any stone could become an exact duplicate in his mouth, after all). So the Coyote Tooth could just be a magic artifact that he created out of his tooth, which is different from an actual power he ritually transfers to another person! Therefore, Ysenoyote can totally still close the gorge & set off all the interesting consequences that would arise from that. I realize that all my "evidence" is just claims made by Coyote himself, so not exactly very reliable, but I can hope! |
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Post by todd on Mar 10, 2018 0:18:40 GMT
It seems obvious that Annie would side with the court and therefore with rationality and humanity. But the comic rarely takes the obvious path. What if Annie chooses to rebel against the court and finally fully embrace her non human side? I can't wait to see where this chapter goes. Rebelling against the Court would also mean being at odds with Kat, her best friend. Would Annie do that, no matter how much she distrusted the adults at the Court or sympathized with the Wood? Unless something happens that casts a rift between them. |
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Post by faiiry on Mar 10, 2018 0:40:35 GMT
It seems obvious that Annie would side with the court and therefore with rationality and humanity. But the comic rarely takes the obvious path. What if Annie chooses to rebel against the court and finally fully embrace her non human side? I can't wait to see where this chapter goes. Rebelling against the Court would also mean being at odds with Kat, her best friend. Would Annie do that, no matter how much she distrusted the adults at the Court or sympathized with the Wood? Unless something happens that casts a rift between them. There's precedent for that. She abandoned Kat to stay in the forest without any notice. |
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Post by Runningflame on Mar 10, 2018 5:38:44 GMT
Let's give Tom a big hand for suspense! More like, Tom gave us a big hand for suspense.  I'm not sorry |
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Post by Runningflame on Mar 10, 2018 5:52:51 GMT
It occurs to me that we're back here again. Only this time, Annie's not laughing. Just imagine running and looking over your shoulder and seeing that last panel bursting out of the forest behind you... eeehh. |
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Post by OrzBrain on Mar 10, 2018 10:01:28 GMT
I wonder. . . Anyone else get the idea this is Coyote's simulation of what would happen if he should actually be so dumb as to give his strength to Ysengrin?
The goofiness and lack of dignity in the way Ysengrin is being portrayed looks to me like Coyote's signature showing it's not real.
If this theory is true then this instance of Annie will likely die. And we get a sandbox/dream episode demonstration of Coyote's capabilities if angered.
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Post by todd on Mar 10, 2018 12:34:45 GMT
I wonder. . . Anyone else get the idea this is Coyote's simulation of what would happen if he should actually be so dumb as to give his strength to Ysengrin? The goofiness and lack of dignity in the way Ysengrin is being portrayed looks to me like Coyote's signature showing it's not real. If this theory is true then this instance of Annie will likely die. And we get a sandbox/dream episode demonstration of Coyote's capabilities if angered. It'd also feel like a cop-out, the same kind of cheat as "It was all a dream". |
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Post by saardvark on Mar 10, 2018 12:42:17 GMT
Ysengrin has acquired the ultimate power which goes beyond all logic and understanding. Hes now one of the looney tunes That's All Folks? |
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Post by saardvark on Mar 10, 2018 12:52:49 GMT
What if the hand only reaches and destroy the Annan Waters gorge? Like, leveLing the territoryy, or even ,cartoon-likely, claws at the Court and pulls it like a blanket,closing the Divide? That will be THE show of strength, and will tell the humans How Weak they are, presumingly having disposed of "Whatever" was defending the Annan. In the best scenario, everybody (human or not) will know it is free season. and Ysote = Coyogrin the Coywolf will have multiplexed chances for fun and mischief when all the creatures of the forest mingle and interact with the Court.... bet the Coyote part of the combo is wearing a BIG grin at the possibilities... |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Mar 10, 2018 14:54:52 GMT
You know, I should be horrified but honestly the eyebeams and grin in the first panel just make this goofy. Yeah, I can't decide if he's trying to look playful or evil. Maybe in addition to Coyote's strength, Ysengrin also got a portion of his personality? |
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