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Post by saardvark on Mar 7, 2018 16:59:07 GMT
Well that was . . . unexpected. Is anyone else curious about the white teardrop symbol on his forehead? Kind of reminds me of Annie's symbol on Rey's forehead, or the symbol, or Hetty's symbol in the Quicksilver arc. Also, those eyes look nothing like Ys's anymore. And that smirk is very Coyote. Is Coyote possessing Ys, at least partially? Or is it the other way around? I think you've hit on something .... if that teardrop is like one of Coyote's eye markings (or his actual eyes), it could represent ownership just like those other symbols, in the sense that Coyote now *owns* Ys.... it is a flag that Coyote *has* taken over Ys' mind; Ys is possessed. Coyote now has all of his abilities, plus those of Ys, plus isn't "Coyote" anymore, and so isn't bound by any of Coyote's rules or agreements... |
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Post by Kuraimizu on Mar 7, 2018 17:01:42 GMT
lots of interesting names for the new character But it wouldn't be fair to just combine the names of both characters. this is a new character, with a completely different personality than it's "parents" It has the memories of both Ysengrin and Coyote It most likely has Coyote's powers, or a deminished version of them. it's the fusion of Coyote's Body, Ysengrin's Body, and Ysengrin's Prosthetic Tree. We don't know his personality, motivations, or desires yet. Coyote liked the humans, and was the one who carved the canyon to separate the forest from the court because Coyote knew Ysengrin desired to attack the humans with a small army. why Ysengrin wanted to attack the humans we don't yet know. A person's personality is shaped by their past experiences, their memeories, overlaid atop a base persona. in this new characters case, he has two sets of memories, overlaid atop two base personas of different temperaments. he's going to be something completely new. given coyote admired and was curious about humans, and was a trickster God, while Ysengrin was the steward of the forest, despised or was angry against humans. I doubt Tom is going to unleash a God of apocalypse upon Gunnerkrigg court I do think though that this new character will take after Coyote's trickster title he'll very likely try and cause trouble in both the court and the forest to that end I think a name based on a word for "Two" would be fitting Twain I think will be a very fitting name for this new character, as it's an archaic word for two, and frequently used to describe division, and has the imagery of violence. another alternative could be Dyad - something that consists of two elements or parts. or a double name such as used to be common with humans Dyad Twain |
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Post by saardvark on Mar 7, 2018 17:04:06 GMT
So we can all agree he looks kinda ridiculous Yes. I logged in for the first time in quite a while to express my bemusement at one of the very, very few poor choices in design the webcomic has made thus far. This is just straight up Deviant Art "this is my Sonic OC pls do not steal" -tier design. Sorry, not sorry. =/ HOWEVER. This does make me happy to think that perhaps Coyote is not dead dead. I was disconsolate at the notion of Coyote being written out. So, what we have here... is it Ysengrin with Coyote personality living in his head as a separate consciousness? Is it a blend of Coyote's and Ysengrin's personalities? Is it just 100% Ysengrin personality, now with ~*Coyote sparkles*~? Tom still has me on the edge of my seat. I think Ys-ote/Grin-ote looks a bit goofy and over the top precisely because his personality is dominated by the flamboyant, smirky, prancing trickster god himself... this is Coyote wearing a super-Ys disguise! |
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Post by netherdan on Mar 7, 2018 17:08:01 GMT
My predictions for the next chapter:
1) Ysengrin will attack the Court, a means to an end in Coyote's plan;
2) Some major character will die;
3) Reynard will fight Ysengrin, fulfilling the Renart/Ysengrin parallel someone noted before;
4) In the course of the battle, Ysengrin will destroy Reynard's doll body, freeing his spirit. That's the whole reason Coyote is doing all this, to get his "friend" back;
5) To avoid death, Reynard will possess Ysengrin's body, thus having for a brief moment 3 spirits inhabiting the same body;
6) From this point, Coyote will use the excuse of Ysengrin's not being able to fight Reynard in that body's aether/mind AND suppress Coyote from taking over the body to emerge (thought I think he could've done it anytime if needed);
7) Coyote will regurgitate Ysengrin without any of the previously given powers, as a "punishment" (now we know he doesn't give a shit about Y and only care for R);
8) Ysengrin will be taken prisoner by the Court and Coyote will bring Reynard's spirit back to his original body, this time the gift of possession will be perfect, a sign of "kindness" from Coyote, although Reynard doesn't need it anymore and will likely reject it;
9) Reynard will convince Annie that that was all Coyote's plan to get him back to the forest and Ysengrin was just a pawn in the trickster's hands;
10) Annie's new concern: convince the Court not to kill Ysengrin, that his mind was shattered by Coyote's manipulation and that now that he have all the pieces of his mind back he's not a threat to the Court, all that while trying to reason with Ysengrin to not to be a threat to the Court, reminding him of the love and friendship they once had and that not all humans are evil.
What do you guys think?
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Post by Kuraimizu on Mar 7, 2018 17:11:15 GMT
Well that was . . . unexpected. Is anyone else curious about the white teardrop symbol on his forehead? Kind of reminds me of Annie's symbol on Rey's forehead, or the symbol, or Hetty's symbol in the Quicksilver arc. Also, those eyes look nothing like Ys's anymore. And that smirk is very Coyote. Is Coyote possessing Ys, at least partially? Or is it the other way around? I think you've hit on something .... if that teardrop is like one of Coyote's eye markings (or his actual eyes), it could represent ownership just like those other symbols, in the sense that Coyote now *owns* Ys.... it is a flag that Coyote *has* taken over Ys' mind; Ys is possessed. Coyote now has all of his abilities, plus those of Ys, plus isn't "Coyote" anymore, and so isn't bound by any of Coyote's rules or agreements... I definitely agree with you that this isn't Coyote or Ysengrin anymore. As such He'll clearly need a unique name, and not a portmanteau of his parent's names. What do you think of the three I came up with ? Twain Dyad or Dyad Twain |
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Post by cb3 on Mar 7, 2018 17:19:05 GMT
I don't think he ever went away. |
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Post by faiiry on Mar 7, 2018 17:22:17 GMT
I think you are prescient. |
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Post by faiiry on Mar 7, 2018 17:24:08 GMT
The smirk on Ysenyote's face is telling. Either Ysengrin is very happy about what he's about to do, or Coyote is in complete control of this situation. I say that because the mouth is smirking despite being Ysengrin's color, not Coyote's--so Coyote has control even over the parts of the body that don't belong to him. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
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Post by Zox Tomana on Mar 7, 2018 18:28:27 GMT
Mark Twain's previously unknown twin sibling. |
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Post by Runningflame on Mar 7, 2018 19:35:12 GMT
To those who said 'you are what you eat'... You are now cookies. Yay!!! He now looks more like Coyote wearing Ysengrin like a badly fitting glove, instead of upgraded Ysengrin. It's the eyes in particular. And the ear of course (which I agree is a riot) I definitely see more Coyote than Ysengrin in this image. Puts me in the Coyote Planned This camp. Both comments. My first thought on seeing the page: "It's a Coyote in Wolf's clothing!" |
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Post by novia on Mar 7, 2018 19:39:07 GMT
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Post by calpal on Mar 7, 2018 20:20:52 GMT
Oh great, a coywolf. This is exactly what we all needed.
Although now it's inevitable: there's going to be a war between the Forest and the Court. No getting around that now. Just a matter of whether the Coywolf will attack now or soon...
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Post by liminal on Mar 7, 2018 20:47:30 GMT
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Post by faiiry on Mar 7, 2018 20:51:00 GMT
Who wants an avatar of a very good boy?  |
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Post by bedinsis on Mar 7, 2018 20:54:30 GMT
There's a part of me suspecting that the whole reason Ysengrin was designed as missing an ear was so that gaining Coyote's strength could be partly illustrated by him gaining a new ear.
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Post by Zox Tomana on Mar 7, 2018 22:09:58 GMT
Oh great, a coywolf. This is exactly what we all needed. Although now it's inevitable: there's going to be a war between the Forest and the Court. No getting around that now. Just a matter of whether the Coywolf will attack now or soon... I feel like, if this is a coywolf, he will either attack later or not at all. Attacking now or soon wouldn't be very coy. |
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Post by Dvandaemon on Mar 7, 2018 22:21:24 GMT
What if absorbing Coyote gives Ysengrin imperfect versions of all his powers?
Also, he doesn't know Jeanne is gone I think, so I wonder what he's gonna do.
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Post by Dvandaemon on Mar 7, 2018 22:35:34 GMT
Who wants an avatar of a very good boy? Me, thank you |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 8, 2018 0:13:04 GMT
Oh great, a coywolf. This is exactly what we all needed. Although now it's inevitable: there's going to be a war between the Forest and the Court. No getting around that now. Just a matter of whether the Coywolf will attack now or soon... In a while. First he will demonstrate his new awesomeness to the humans. Coyote just didn't know how to properly act like a god, at least not in Ys' opinion. Then when the fuddy-duddies of the Court don't properly appreciate him the rain of misery will commence, with a small chance of some isolated instances of joy-rain on selected individuals. Between the demonstration and the rain there will probably be an ultimatum/villain monologue. Antimony will try to head all this off at the pass, of course, hopefully at the early or middle phases. |
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Post by jda on Mar 8, 2018 0:26:51 GMT
Welp.
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Post by jda on Mar 8, 2018 0:32:39 GMT
So Coyote wears an Ys snuggie.
The real question is:
What does (did?) ysengrin have/had that Coyote lacked?
Existence independent of the human mind?
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Post by todd on Mar 8, 2018 0:34:29 GMT
Antimony will try to head all this off at the pass, of course, hopefully at the early or middle phases. I wouldn't be too surprised if Tom indeed had Annie (or someone else) provide intervention for Ysengrin before things can reach the point of actual fighting - particularly since that intervention would most likely take the form of a lot of character exploration and exposition on the metaphysics of the world of Gunnerkrigg Court - the kind of thing Tom's clearly more interested in than big battles. |
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Post by ket on Mar 8, 2018 2:18:29 GMT
I had to wait a while for my account creation to be approved, so this comment might have already been made, but here goes: "He's more Coyote than Ysengrin now...twisted and evil." Seriously, though, I agree with the observations that Coyote seems to be in control now. And I agree that this is most definitely not a Good Thing. todd, I'd agree that Tom is not interested in big flashy battles, but if this is nearing the climax, some pretty unusual stuff could happen. Then again, earlier Coyote destroyed a bunch of buildings in just one panel. So yes, we speculate.  |
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Post by saardvark on Mar 8, 2018 2:41:14 GMT
There's a part of me suspecting that the whole reason Ysengrin was designed as missing an ear was so that gaining Coyote's strength could be partly illustrated by him gaining a new ear. I see it as another hint that the Trickster is in charge here... its like he is inside Ys, with his ear poking out..... welcome Ket! An noteworthy moment to join the forum! |
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Post by saardvark on Mar 8, 2018 2:56:54 GMT
So Coyote wears an Ys snuggie. The real question is: What does (did?) ysengrin have/had that Coyote lacked? Existence independent of the human mind? Coyote gets his "forest control" power back, and gets a new identity, so he can break his previous promises with reckless abandon. Not sure this is enough compensation for being eaten tho.... If Ys did have existence independent of the human mind, that might be something major.... now Coyote would actually exist and not risk fading away as Coyote stories gradually disappear from humans mythological toolbox.... |
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Post by Sauzels on Mar 8, 2018 3:02:02 GMT
This entire comic has been a buildup for Tom to reveal his fursona
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Post by spicywolf on Mar 8, 2018 4:46:14 GMT
That is way too much of a smug coyote grin (and far too little stoic ysengrin) for me to think anything other than coyote being the one running the show.
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Post by liminal on Mar 8, 2018 8:40:36 GMT
Damn, somebody made my Steven Universe reference, too. The forums are very active today. I'm missing all the good comment opportunities. 💖 ⭐ 💎 🎸 🎵 All I wanna do, is see you turn into, a giant God-wolf. A giiiant God-wolf! All I wanna be, is someone who gets to see, a giant God-wolf. Oh I know it'll be great, and I just can't wait, to see the Wolf that you are together. If you give it a chance, you could do a huge dance, because you are a giant God-wolf. You might even like being together, and if you don't, it may still be forever. But if it were me, I'd really wanna be, a giant God-wolf. A giiiant God-wolf! All I wanna do, is see you turn into, a giant God-wolf.🎵 Not sure if this belongs here, but I took this joke a bit too far. |
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Post by zirka on Mar 8, 2018 9:20:49 GMT
💖 ⭐ 💎 🎸 🎵 All I wanna do, is see you turn into, a giant God-wolf. A giiiant God-wolf! All I wanna be, is someone who gets to see, a giant God-wolf. Oh I know it'll be great, and I just can't wait, to see the Wolf that you are together. If you give it a chance, you could do a huge dance, because you are a giant God-wolf. You might even like being together, and if you don't, it may still be forever. But if it were me, I'd really wanna be, a giant God-wolf. A giiiant God-wolf! All I wanna do, is see you turn into, a giant God-wolf.🎵 Not sure if this belongs here, but I took this joke a bit too far.HOLY CANOLI ON A STICK!!! I am HONORED. I guess I wasn't the only one singing that song to myself all night. I hope Tom sees this too! Nice touch with the creepy Coyote laughter. Steven Universe and Gunnerkrigg Court are two things that I think about almost daily, and every time come to the conclusion that the world is a better place because they exist. |
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 8, 2018 11:15:17 GMT
Oh great, a coywolf. This is exactly what we all needed. Although now it's inevitable: there's going to be a war between the Forest and the Court. No getting around that now. Just a matter of whether the Coywolf will attack now or soon... I strongly disagree. Coyote never showed any interest in waging war. If he is influencing or even controlling Ysengrin now, war just has become less likely instead of more. Coyotawolf! He's a fight a minute, I tell you! Aww, maaan, I wanted to make that joke.  |
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