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Post by bicarbonat on Feb 19, 2018 12:41:05 GMT
This is the setup for a major conflict that's been brewing for a while. Ysengrin VS. Coyote. Sure Ysengrin loooooooves Coyote, but there's a fine line between love and hate, and there's plenty for Ysengrin to hate Coyote for... Called it.  Burn the prognosticator! But really, good call. |
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Post by bicarbonat on Feb 19, 2018 12:48:21 GMT
Do we have a winner? Was coyote planting a fallback in case this happened? Ill get the cookies however they come, specially the Absolutely not expected!! I hope you're right - and I feel like you are, because Coyote had never been the dotty old peepum who gives himself as presents because he just loves those kids so much. This would be a helluva Chekov's gun, primed and waiting for him. |
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Post by faiiry on Feb 19, 2018 13:09:45 GMT
Huh.
After all the pages we've had about how Ysengrin is treated like crap by Coyote, honestly, if Coyote didn't see this coming, someone should revoke his God Card.
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Post by faiiry on Feb 19, 2018 13:23:20 GMT
For real, there is a lot to unpack on this page.
1) Coyote's look of surprise - either he is being a giant ham, or he truly didn't see it coming. The latter would really shock me. He's a god! He has been nothing if not omniscient this whole time, and everything that has happened seems to happen within his design. Could it be possible that this eventuality is something not even a god can foresee?
2) Is Ysengrin just planning to negotiate something (release of his memories, perhaps?), or does he mean business? (Death business, that is?)
3) If Coyote does "die," which psychopomp will come for him?
4) Ysengrin looks completely deranged. Eyes pointing in different directions and all. Possibly, my theory about how Annie will have to fight him might be coming into fruition.
5) I thought in the last page, Ysengrin shed his wood body. In this page, his wood hand is present.
6) I really hope Coyote doesn't get killed off, because would this ever be a dumb way to end his story. I mean, seriously.
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Feb 19, 2018 13:23:52 GMT
uh
owww
rude!
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Post by The Anarch on Feb 19, 2018 13:24:41 GMT
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Post by saardvark on Feb 19, 2018 13:47:09 GMT
If Coyote does (temporarily) "die", it's possible after a sufficient number of people have thought about him in legends and myths, and/or passed on and shed their ether load with the Pomps, he could reconstitute/reincarnate. Since he is "just" a creation of the mind of man, after all. (No insult intended, Lord Coyote...)
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Post by saardvark on Feb 19, 2018 13:57:44 GMT
Well, that was an unexpected turn of events. Did anyone get cookies for that? I think shadow 3 and gulby's hubby get big cookies, jda a partial cookie. Congrats to all! |
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Post by zaferion on Feb 19, 2018 14:00:59 GMT
UM
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Post by avurai on Feb 19, 2018 14:10:26 GMT
I know this is supposed to be horrifying but this easily ranks somewhere in the top 5 most satisfying Gunnerkrigg Court panels.
Coyote earned this.
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Post by darlos9d on Feb 19, 2018 14:24:09 GMT
Huh. After all the pages we've had about how Ysengrin is treated like crap by Coyote, honestly, if Coyote didn't see this coming, someone should revoke his God Card. Yeah, I think I mentioned something earlier about how Ys is aware that Coyote is messing with his memories. Ys isn't dumb. My only concern at this point is that he might be about to engage in a degree of absolute crazyness that is going to be dangerous for everyone, instead of just being himself but stronger. |
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Post by jda on Feb 19, 2018 14:49:23 GMT
Well, since there is no way a ThoughtTricksterGod would be killed like this (think Loki), either Coyote plays dead (to let Annie &Co think now they hace to deal with a murderous ravenous demiGod on a kill frenzy, Laughin his Divine Bottom Off in the back of the woods,
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Remember that he can stop Time, and even if hurt, scape the jaws of his former lieutanant, maybe striping him of all His gifts, and sentencing him to Swift painful death, ibtending for Annie to rescue himm, and by so, breakibg the Agreement with the Court.
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Post by Jota on Feb 19, 2018 14:50:20 GMT
So here's a question: which piece of Coyote is Coyote? Is the part that's black and blue and getting its neck snapped right now Coyote? Or is the part that's red and very much alive and embedded in Ysengrin's back at the moment Coyote?
Simple answer, of course: they both are.
Only one of those is being killed right now (and may, in fact, be as completely surprised by it as he looks!). The other one is manipulating Ysengrin and probably planned this from the start, because he is Coyote, and those are things that Coyote does.
Of course, this leaves open the question of why. One possibility is that he knows what Annie did with Jeanne, and is going to somehow take advantage of it to get into the Court as a parasite...
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Post by pasko on Feb 19, 2018 14:57:17 GMT
I had my jaw literally open for various seconds.
Maybe I'm naive, compared to other residents in this forum, but I didn't see it coming.
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Post by gpvos on Feb 19, 2018 14:58:04 GMT
Will Ysengrin get his memories back if he manages to eat Coyote?
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Post by saardvark on Feb 19, 2018 15:00:26 GMT
Interesting that in spite of supposedly hating humans, the very first thing Ys does with his new-found strength is to attack whom he supposedly worships, Coyote. Is it *just* possible, that Ys has been playing a long game here... pretending to be docile and dim, worshipful and obedient, waiting for Coyote to trust his understanding and control over Ys (through selective memory adjustment) enough to dare to grant him his strength? And then to strike down his hated but now weakened overlord? Is this Ys attempting to out-trick the Trickster?
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Post by dramastix on Feb 19, 2018 15:05:53 GMT
So here's a question: which piece of Coyote is Coyote? Is the part that's black and blue and getting its neck snapped right now Coyote? Or is the part that's red and very much alive and embedded in Ysengrin's back at the moment Coyote? Simple answer, of course: they both are. Only one of those is being killed right now (and may, in fact, be as completely surprised by it as he looks!). The other one is manipulating Ysengrin and probably planned this from the start, because he is Coyote, and those are things that Coyote does. Of course, this leaves open the question of why. One possibility is that he knows what Annie did with Jeanne, and is going to somehow take advantage of it to get into the Court as a parasite... #CoyotesHorcruxes But really, I assumed he didn't lose the powers he was giving away (I'm not convinced he hasn't always had the brown chest and legs; all of the images of him that are definitely pre-gifts are very stylized), but this seems to imply that he does. At least to a degree. I'm also reminded of this page, wherein it is made abundantly obvious that Renard has crunched up Miss Hetty's neck. Not so on the present page - I'm going with the team that this is a threat from Ys to regain his memories rather than rabid rage. Or at least I hope so; would not like that blood on Ys'... er, claws. |
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Post by intotheether on Feb 19, 2018 15:09:13 GMT
As unlikely as it may be, part of me is kinda hoping this is Ys trolling Coyote as payback for all of the mind-fuckery.
Not because I don't think Coyote doesn't deserve a bit of comeuppance, but because if Wolf Dad really has gone insane, he's essentially become a mad dog. And we all know what usually happens to a mad dog...
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Post by zimmyzims on Feb 19, 2018 15:10:21 GMT
Interesting that in spite of supposedly hating humans, the very first thing Ys does with his new-found strength is to attack whom he supposedly worships, Coyote. Is it *just* possible, that Ys has been playing a long game here... pretending to be docile and dim, worshipful and obedient, waiting for Coyote to trust his understanding and control over Ys (through selective memory adjustment) enough to dare to grant him his strength? And then to strike down his hated but now weakened overlord? Is this Ys attempting to out-trick the Trickster? . |
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Post by zimmyzims on Feb 19, 2018 15:12:34 GMT
6) I really hope Coyote doesn't get killed off, because would this ever be a dumb way to end his story. I mean, seriously. Personally, I would find this an amazing way to end his story, and a very interesting turn in the big story line. |
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Post by youwiththeface on Feb 19, 2018 15:13:11 GMT
I mean, knowing Coyote, it's impossible to be sure if things haven't gone according to plan here. And I in no way think this will kill him. I would be shocked if that was even suggested in the following pages.
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Post by Anthony on Feb 19, 2018 15:32:18 GMT
- What are you doing, son?
- Succeeding you, father.
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Post by jda on Feb 19, 2018 15:45:56 GMT
And I in no way think this will kill him. I would be shocked if that was even suggested in the following pages. I think this is going to be Coyote's alibi for not being the one that attacks the Court. Remember that he promised to let everyone in the Court side alone, and that he is no liar, therein lies the danger. He didnt say anything about any other Forest dweller, specially if He "is not around" to rein them. |
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Post by rafk on Feb 19, 2018 15:54:59 GMT
I would be incredibly surprised if this was anything other than the exact scene Coyote intended, and I doubt it is as dire for Coyote as it looks.
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Post by bgb16999 on Feb 19, 2018 16:07:31 GMT
So here's a question: which piece of Coyote is Coyote? Is the part that's black and blue and getting its neck snapped right now Coyote? Or is the part that's red and very much alive and embedded in Ysengrin's back at the moment Coyote? Simple answer, of course: they both are. Only one of those is being killed right now (and may, in fact, be as completely surprised by it as he looks!). The other one is manipulating Ysengrin and probably planned this from the start, because he is Coyote, and those are things that Coyote does. Of course, this leaves open the question of why. One possibility is that he knows what Annie did with Jeanne, and is going to somehow take advantage of it to get into the Court as a parasite... Or the pieces of Coyote that he gave to Parley and Smitty. Or the piece of Coyote that he gave to Annie. Or the Lake. Or any other dead geese that are still out there and have not yet remembered that they are also Coyote. |
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Post by dingo on Feb 19, 2018 16:49:30 GMT
Really should have learned to expect the unexpected turn by now, but no, totally floored. Love, love, love this webcomic, been following it over a decade, now.
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Post by jda on Feb 19, 2018 16:59:50 GMT
So here's a question: which piece of Coyote is Coyote? Is the part that's black and blue and getting its neck snapped right now Coyote? Or is the part that's red and very much alive and embedded in Ysengrin's back at the moment Coyote? Simple answer, of course: they both are. Only one of those is being killed right now (and may, in fact, be as completely surprised by it as he looks!). The other one is manipulating Ysengrin and probably planned this from the start, because he is Coyote, and those are things that Coyote does. Of course, this leaves open the question of why. One possibility is that he knows what Annie did with Jeanne, and is going to somehow take advantage of it to get into the Court as a parasite... Or the pieces of Coyote that he gave to Parley and Smitty. Or the piece of Coyote that he gave to Annie. Or the Lake. Or any other dead geese that are still out there and have not yet remembered that they are also Coyote. Or their goose wifes! Beautifully said. |
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Post by King Mir on Feb 19, 2018 17:15:04 GMT
Huh. After all the pages we've had about how Ysengrin is treated like crap by Coyote, honestly, if Coyote didn't see this coming, someone should revoke his God Card. Like all gods of legend, Coyote is not without faults. He is powerful and magical, but he thinks like a human. Like a human with a very high opinion of himself. He has been manipulating Ysengrin, and because he is awesome, he is sure those manipulations are successful. How could they not when he is the most clever being on the planet? How could Ysengrin turn against him when he loves him so much? Now I don't think Ysengrin is going to eat Coyote. He is just showing his dominance. To Ysengrin strength is power, and now he, not Coyote, is the most powerful being in the forest. He's taking charge! He's the new king of the forest. And he is in a position to make demands. Coyote cannot try to escape Ysengrin, because to do so would show that Ysengrin is not strong despite this gift. A show of magic is not an option here. But if he can get past Ysengrin's initial rage, he may yet get his way with guile and trickery, which is Coyote's real strength. |
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Post by faiiry on Feb 19, 2018 17:34:12 GMT
6) I really hope Coyote doesn't get killed off, because would this ever be a dumb way to end his story. I mean, seriously. Personally, I would find this an amazing way to end his story, and a very interesting turn in the big story line. How though? There are so many things about Coyote that have yet to be resolved. So many plotlines and potential plotlines that have not yet met their close. Coyote is not only a major player, but also the most interesting and compelling character in the comic - he could maybe even be called its breakout character. If his story ends now, it will certainly be a surprise, but it will also be a massive cop-out and an extremely frustrating turn in an already-frustrating story. The only way I would accept Coyote's "death" is if he is somehow resurrected by the presence of the tooth-knife and/or the vial he gave Parley. |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 19, 2018 17:47:43 GMT
I would be incredibly surprised if this was anything other than the exact scene Coyote intended, and I doubt it is as dire for Coyote as it looks. I bet you're right. In fact, maybe a bunch of ideas floating around are part right. Here is a possible synthesis: This is all part of Coyote's plan. He knew Ys would turn on him, in fact, he intended it, goading him to it. His "fear" now is just for Annie et al.'s sake, to make them think this was not his plan, and that Ys has killed him. He will only be temporarily "dead" (or appear to be dead, either reincarnating out of the ether from human remembrances, and/or from one of his "pieces" (tooth,juice,lake, geese...). Or maybe even the current "Coyote" is just a piece of the real thing, refashioned to look like the whole, like "tongue-Coyote" that fooled Annie before. So now everyone thinks Coyote is dead, and there is a enraged Ys on the loose. What is the rest of Coyote's plan (besides kicking back and laughing his haunches off somewhere out of view)? Use Ys to attack the court (maybe to destroy the Omega device)? Test Annie? Both? Or maybe foresterr, faiiry, dramasix & King Mir are right and Ys is just establishing dominance. Coyote may play along, but turn tables later, of course. We shall see.... so many ways this could go now makes this quite an exciting tuning point in the plotline! |
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