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Post by arf on Dec 15, 2017 8:05:32 GMT
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Post by wynne on Dec 15, 2017 8:08:12 GMT
Jesus, that poor girl needs 5000 hugs.
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Post by avurai on Dec 15, 2017 8:08:30 GMT
Oh Annie. That’s so sad.
On a more lighthearted note, if Kat wasn’t already dating Paz, those last three panels would’ve sent people into a frenzy.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 15, 2017 8:08:49 GMT
Affection-starved people can be scary when what little they have is threatened or when they think they have an opportunity to win approval. Or in other words, love makes you do strange things sometimes.
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Post by youwiththeface on Dec 15, 2017 8:24:51 GMT
Oh Annie honey. Jesus.
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Post by Zox Tomana on Dec 15, 2017 8:44:16 GMT
Affection-starved people can be scary when what little they have is threatened or when they think they have an opportunity to win approval. Or in other words, love makes you do strange things sometimes. It was worth it |
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Post by erunion on Dec 15, 2017 9:39:08 GMT
Can I cry?
Am I allowed to cry here?
Poor Annie. Poor, poor Annie. This is one of the saddest/bitter-sweetest/kinda happiest comics Tom has put out.
Masterfully done.
Like - seriously! She’s so happy! Over so little! Ugh.
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Post by madragoran on Dec 15, 2017 9:56:45 GMT
So... we got a kid who is growing up with zero affection and support from the actual people whom she is conditioned (by nature?) to need it from and also to expect it from. I find the fact she is actually in any kind of stable human relationship amazing. Kat has been very understanding and supportive. Her relationship with crazed homicidal wolf (Ysengrin) makes more sense too. And Renard of course. Anyone who offers her some understanding, some support. By the way. Annie chose to believe her father's comment explicitly involved her work too. He made a throw away comment, but she managed to twist it into words from God. I wish the court had a support structure for students, maybe a counselor to help Annie grow and leave him behind.
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Post by rafk on Dec 15, 2017 10:21:36 GMT
Oh Annie.
I think Kat realises how sad this is, though.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 15, 2017 11:41:14 GMT
So... we got a kid who is growing up with zero affection and support from the actual people whom she is conditioned (by nature?) to need it from and also to expect it from. I find the fact she is actually in any kind of stable human relationship amazing. Kat has been very understanding and supportive. Her relationship with crazed homicidal wolf (Ysengrin) makes more sense too. And Renard of course. Anyone who offers her some understanding, some support. By the way. Annie chose to believe her father's comment explicitly involved her work too. He made a throw away comment, but she managed to twist it into words from God. I wish the court had a support structure for students, maybe a counselor to help Annie grow and leave him behind. Ysengrin's need for validation from Coyote is also similar to Annie's need for validation from her father. They're both happy to get what ever scraps happen to fall on the floor. |
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Post by yinglung on Dec 15, 2017 12:20:26 GMT
To be fair, it's not like Tony to make inaccurate, overly inclusive comments, so Annie is probably interpreting the remark correctly.
On a completely different note, this chapter has been about developing new bodies for robots, and now it looks like Reynardine is clear to enter the lab. Is he getting a new body? Are they upgrading the toy wolf? Going to have some nice Wolfdad-Firedaughter bonding time?
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Post by todd on Dec 15, 2017 12:36:34 GMT
Judging from the thumbnail, I suspect that what Annie and Kat were going to do with Reynardine was to go back down into the underground place from Chapter Eighteen where they found Jeanne's portrait (perhaps related to the resolution of the Jeanne arc).
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 15, 2017 12:45:18 GMT
To be fair, it's not like Tony to make inaccurate, overly inclusive comments, so Annie is probably interpreting the remark correctly. I think so too. He's too much of a nerd to forget to exclude someone. But Kat probably didn't give Annie the most challenging work. |
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Post by csj on Dec 15, 2017 14:14:10 GMT
I am impressed with this fandom. After a comic sequence like this, most people wouldn't be able to go over ten posts without a single utterance of the d word.
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Post by ctso74 on Dec 15, 2017 14:14:47 GMT
Judging from the thumbnail, I suspect that what Annie and Kat were going to do with Reynardine was to go back down into the underground place from Chapter Eighteen where they found Jeanne's portrait (perhaps related to the resolution of the Jeanne arc). I was thinking, that would explain the :when the coast is clear" statement. They may not want people seeing Rey walking around, but they most certainly don't want people to know about the Jeanne adventure. I wonder what it's specifically about, though. The Arrow? The consequences? |
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Post by crater on Dec 15, 2017 20:37:08 GMT
Tony will not be passing out validation like cheap cigars.
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Post by jasmijn on Dec 15, 2017 20:40:01 GMT
I'm so gay for Kat right now, you guys.
Also, I'm so happysad for Annie.
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Post by mturtle7 on Dec 15, 2017 20:51:20 GMT
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Post by elebenty on Dec 15, 2017 21:14:01 GMT
To be fair, it's not like Tony to make inaccurate, overly inclusive comments, so Annie is probably interpreting the remark correctly. On a completely different note, this chapter has been about developing new bodies for robots, and now it looks like Reynardine is clear to enter the lab. Is he getting a new body? Are they upgrading the toy wolf? Going to have some nice Wolfdad-Firedaughter bonding time? I thought they were simply returning him to Annie's "possession." |
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Post by maxptc on Dec 15, 2017 21:41:27 GMT
Hmmm.
I mean, clearly this is progress; it was an honest compliment that includes Annie and doesn't single anyone out. Thats good. I'm glad things are improving between Annie and Tony. However it's a bit sad that this is even considered improvement, and judging by how excited Annie is, its dramatic improvement at that. Still criticism of progress where before there was stagnation is a very cynical way of looking at things, so I'mma just hope this is an important step towards a healthy Annie/Tony relationship and wait patiently for Rey to make his appearance and get into whatever they are getting into.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 15, 2017 23:31:39 GMT
I thought they were simply returning him to Annie's "possession." That would be quite consequential! I thought Anne would defer on Renard's ownership for quite a while. At least long enough too see the effect of Kat ordering Renard to defend himself if Tony tries to hurt him. Will that order still stand if ownership is transfered and Annie doesn't counter it? ... I wonder what it's specifically about, though. The Arrow? The consequences? Surely Kat did not leave the arrow on the ground floor level with Tony, Juliette, and Arthur in the workshop. Stashing it down in the crypt with all the Bots seems like... an idea. I am impressed with this fandom. After a comic sequence like this, most people wouldn't be able to go over ten posts without a single utterance of the d word. What "d" word? Turd spelled backwards? |
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Post by yinglung on Dec 16, 2017 2:30:45 GMT
I thought they were simply returning him to Annie's "possession." That would be quite consequential! I thought Anne would defer on Renard's ownership for quite a while. At least long enough too see the effect of Kat ordering Renard to defend himself if Tony tries to hurt him. Will that order still stand if ownership is transfered and Annie doesn't counter it? I don't see that being as much of a checkov's gun as you seem to think it is. "Whatever it takes to defend yourself" is actually a significantly safer order than any specific order for that scenario, since it includes any number of nonlethal actions reynardine could do, including running away. Especially since reynardine regrets using his possession power, and has been quite moral and protective of humans in general. Of course, I could very well be wrong in 20 chapters. As for transferring ownership to Annie, I don't see why that would have to be at a prearranged time. It's not as though Kat and Annie haven't had time alone sufficient to hand over a stuffed animal. If I had to guess, "Daddy issues" |
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Post by csj on Dec 16, 2017 2:57:59 GMT
I don't see that being as much of a checkov's gun as you seem to think it is. "Whatever it takes to defend yourself" is actually a significantly safer order than any specific order for that scenario, since it includes any number of nonlethal actions reynardine could do, including running away. Especially since reynardine regrets using his possession power, and has been quite moral and protective of humans in general. Of course, I could very well be wrong in 20 chapters. As for transferring ownership to Annie, I don't see why that would have to be at a prearranged time. It's not as though Kat and Annie haven't had time alone sufficient to hand over a stuffed animal. Daddy |
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Post by Karretch on Dec 16, 2017 8:48:28 GMT
Oh Annie. That’s so sad. On a more lighthearted note, if Kat wasn’t already dating Paz, those last three panels would’ve sent people into a frenzy. Kat dating Paz isn't a wall so much as a hurdle that has only a very few ways to get passed it without hurting anyone. |
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Post by speedwell on Dec 16, 2017 9:04:02 GMT
"The smallest things carry the greatest weight", in an adult, is not benign. It means power and control through its very delicacy. It means everyone is holding their breath and walking on eggshells around you. It means you can be emotionally indolent and withholding and yet make everyone anticipate your slightest whim. It means that when people do what they think you want them to do, retaining the right to choose on the spot whether to award approval or pretend you didn't want it after all. It means "my feelings count more than yours". It's like those obnoxious people who speak in tones so low you are forced to tune everything else out and lean in to focus on them and only them, and then they blame you if you don't understand. The young Anne Shirley in Anne of Green Gables is "highly oversensitive", but matured out of it. Tony is "morbidly fragile" and didn't. I'm on the spectrum. I don't act like Tony. My father was on the spectrum, my husband is on the spectrum, my best friend is on the spectrum. No, adult autistics do not normally act like sociopaths. |
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Post by ffkonoko on Dec 16, 2017 11:30:44 GMT
I think you have it the wrong way around. Tony does small actions, which are very meaningful. That doesn't mean that those around him need to only perform very small actions to avoid breaking him, just that they need to remember that what he DOES do is more meaningful and deliberate than it would be for most people. Or, as noted...talk to him in private, where he's absolutely fine (except with the embodiment of his lifes work in saving his wife failing, along with the source of great regret and self-hatred which...yeah, might have some extra reason for him to emotional shut down around)
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Post by speedwell on Dec 16, 2017 16:09:17 GMT
I think you have it the wrong way around. Tony does small actions, which are very meaningful. That doesn't mean that those around him need to only perform very small actions to avoid breaking him, just that they need to remember that what he DOES do is more meaningful and deliberate than it would be for most people. Or, as noted...talk to him in private, where he's absolutely fine (except with the embodiment of his lifes work in saving his wife failing, along with the source of great regret and self-hatred which...yeah, might have some extra reason for him to emotional shut down around) No. If Tony is more likely to hurt people, that needs to be stopped, not facilitated; addressed, not tolerated. Maybe it started as a childish inability to cope. But an adult who gave a flip would have sought help. |
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Post by sleepcircle on Dec 16, 2017 19:38:03 GMT
"morbidly fragile" is a wonderful phrase.
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Post by todd on Dec 17, 2017 0:21:06 GMT
The consequences is my first guess. (Or what we've seen of them so far, and what Annie and Kat know.) This is the first time we'll be seeing them return to the cellar since Jeanne was freed, so I suspect there'll be an atmosphere of closing the door. |
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Post by mturtle7 on Dec 17, 2017 4:20:41 GMT
"The smallest things carry the greatest weight", in an adult, is not benign. It means power and control through its very delicacy. It means everyone is holding their breath and walking on eggshells around you. It means you can be emotionally indolent and withholding and yet make everyone anticipate your slightest whim. It means that when people do what they think you want them to do, retaining the right to choose on the spot whether to award approval or pretend you didn't want it after all. It means "my feelings count more than yours". It's like those obnoxious people who speak in tones so low you are forced to tune everything else out and lean in to focus on them and only them, and then they blame you if you don't understand. The young Anne Shirley in Anne of Green Gables is "highly oversensitive", but matured out of it. Tony is "morbidly fragile" and didn't. I'm on the spectrum. I don't act like Tony. My father was on the spectrum, my husband is on the spectrum, my best friend is on the spectrum. No, adult autistics do not normally act like sociopaths. Wow. I mean....wow. That's some freakin' heavy stuff. Props to you, man. I'm not quite sure how it followed from my post, which said nothing about Tony's behavior being benign or autistic, but those are some damn impressive truth bombs you're laying down there. |
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