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Post by ST13R on Jul 21, 2017 18:13:20 GMT
This... would actually be a very neat twist. I was never quite convinced of the theory that Surma left Eggers to have a child with Tony. Mainly because I thought this way too callous a reason to start a relationship. But if Surma was a treacherous manipulator this theory is fine. The only question that remains is: why would she want to have a child knowing that she'd die? Some unavoidable elemental instinct? Ditching psychopomp duties? Though I really hope this theory isn't true, or at least not this harshly. She seemed like such a nice mum and a fun person... Especially with Tony of all people. I'm sure she could have found someone with more than a personality of a houseplant of she really wanted. Being in the same circle of friends I'm sure she saw something to him, but I'm having a hard time believing she thought he'd make father of the year in the likely event of her death. I still lean towards the idea that Tony thought he could "cure" her and she wanted to give it a shot. maybe he presented a really convincing power point show.
I am also not ruling out the idea they got into the achewater one night and one thing led to another.
Let's kick this wildspec up a notch: So what if the psychopomps have been planning stuff far longer than we thought: Kat once asked Annie why the PP's never asked a previous medium (a.k.a. her mom) to help with Jeanne. How about they tricked Surma, made her choose Anthony (because.. reasons?), to create the perfectly balanced* medium known as Antimony. *balanced between ether and the real world. Defs not emotionally. // haha, wildspec done. Kats' in on it. |
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Post by ohthatone on Jul 21, 2017 18:53:45 GMT
Especially with Tony of all people. I'm sure she could have found someone with more than a personality of a houseplant of she really wanted. Being in the same circle of friends I'm sure she saw something to him, but I'm having a hard time believing she thought he'd make father of the year in the likely event of her death. I still lean towards the idea that Tony thought he could "cure" her and she wanted to give it a shot. maybe he presented a really convincing power point show.
I am also not ruling out the idea they got into the achewater one night and one thing led to another.
Let's kick this wildspec up a notch: So what if the psychopomps have been planning stuff far longer than we thought: Kat once asked Annie why the PP's never asked a previous medium (a.k.a. her mom) to help with Jeanne. How about they tricked Surma, made her choose Anthony (because.. reasons?), to create the perfectly balanced* medium known as Antimony. *balanced between ether and the real world. Defs not emotionally. // haha, wildspec done. Kats' in on it. well don't stop that train now! Maybe Tony had a run in with some bad clams and the pomps came to get him, but Surma wasn't having it and they made her a deal that Rumpelstiltskin would be proud of. |
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Post by youwiththeface on Jul 21, 2017 19:23:04 GMT
Even though I agree with Annie that Kat's turn around is weird... Or is it? She was disgusted at how cold he treated Annie, but he might be pretty cool guy when it comes to science. Like this kid you knew at school, who was totally awkward when in company, but could talk about "his thing" for hours. This should convince her he's a cool guy over chapters of her witnessing and being mad about how he treated Annie? Whatever you think about Anthony, based on past behavior, it's really out of character for Kat. Also, being good at science should not trump child neglect and abuse. That should outweigh anything else good about a person. Oh my god, you're right. Now I'm waiting for the Monday page when Anja takes Annie gently by the shoulders and says "Oh, no, honey. It was the other way around." I've just developed a probably-untrue theory that, when Surma wanted a child but James wouldn't agree (or maybe was unable) to be the father, she kicked him to the curb and charmed Anthony into helping her instead. So the answer to Eglamore's question is "a healthy sperm count." (Uh, am I allowed to say that?) Edit: after reviewing the evidence and seeing some of the hints Tom has dropped on this matter, I am no longer convinced my theory is untrue. Quite the opposite, actually. I'm starting to feel convinced that Surma is a trickster god to match Coyote, even though some of her victims have been brainwashed (ha!) into believing the opposite. This... would actually be a very neat twist. I was never quite convinced of the theory that Surma left Eggers to have a child with Tony. Mainly because I thought this way too callous a reason to start a relationship. But if Surma was a treacherous manipulator this theory is fine. The only question that remains is: why would she want to have a child knowing that she'd die? Some unavoidable elemental instinct? Ditching psychopomp duties? Though I really hope this theory isn't true, or at least not this harshly. She seemed like such a nice mum and a fun person... There are all these psychopomps bothering Annie for her service and Surma was training her when they were both in the hospital and she was a little girl. Maybe even without having a child, Surma wouldn't have been immortal and would've eventually kicked it, so she wanted someone who would carry on her work. And Anthony was willing to do it when Eggers wouldn't because he was arrogant enough to think he could find some way to do it without killing Surma. |
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Post by Noka on Jul 21, 2017 19:38:16 GMT
For anyone curious, I get the feeling this is why things seem disjointed (Monday feels like it comes after Friday): Annie is still coping with the whole "rejoined with anger because of Ysengrim" business. While she's felt like she's started to bring things under control, I don't think she has. So it's easier if you think of her outbursts more like the anger in her flaring up - so some of the things she's saying on Monday are just angry outbursts, while things like today's "I thought they were" are more aligned with her true feelings. She's still burning mad at her father under the surface - and the idea that Kat stopped hating him probably made her feel like her anger wasn't as justified (since Kat's been something of her emotional compass on "what's okay for a father to do" so far). That would explain pretty neatly why she doesn't want to believe Kat would decide to like her father of her own free will - and why she's angrily doubting if he and Surma even loved each other. Also, because I keep seeing people say this: I don't think Anthony is just being cold to Annie because he's trying to protect her from the court. After all, I think this is most of the treatment she's ever gotten from Anthony - see comics like this one. Probably part of her confusion. |
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Post by antiyonder on Jul 21, 2017 21:51:32 GMT
No no Annie, manipulating was your mothers thing, remember? Oh my god, you're right. Now I'm waiting for the Monday page when Anja takes Annie gently by the shoulders and says "Oh, no, honey. It was the other way around." While I'm not entirely sure of Surma tricking Anthony as opposed to having genuine feelings for him, I would definitely say that she demonstrated some selfishness whether intentional or not. To put it this way, did Surma have absolute faith that Anthony could save her from death. If not was she confident that any goodness she saw in him was a sign that he wouldn't be emotionally compromised by her death to the point of being unable to properly care for Annie? Or did she not really care that her daughter would be likely have to deal with a (likely) distant father? |
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Post by keef on Jul 21, 2017 21:55:09 GMT
About the most terrible thing a child could say about her father:
He must have manipulated my mom, why else would she have married him?
Don't worry too much Tony... she still loves you... probably.
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Post by antiyonder on Jul 21, 2017 22:00:40 GMT
Or is it? She was disgusted at how cold he treated Annie, but he might be pretty cool guy when it comes to science. Like this kid you knew at school, who was totally awkward when in company, but could talk about "his thing" for hours. This should convince her he's a cool guy over chapters of her witnessing and being mad about how he treated Annie? Whatever you think about Anthony, based on past behavior, it's really out of character for Kat. Also, being good at science should not trump child neglect and abuse. That should outweigh anything else good about a person. True, but if she took Annie's defense at face value (as opposed to recognizing that she found comfort at Kat venting her anger about him), then maybe she figured she'd try to get along with Tony for her friend's sake. And the science while likely not a deal breaker probably helped her to find something to work with. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jul 21, 2017 22:34:30 GMT
No no Annie, manipulating was your mothers thing, remember? Oh my god, you're right. Now I'm waiting for the Monday page when Anja takes Annie gently by the shoulders and says "Oh, no, honey. It was the other way around." I've just developed a probably-untrue theory that, when Surma wanted a child but James wouldn't agree (or maybe was unable) to be the father, she kicked him to the curb and charmed Anthony into helping her instead. So the answer to Eglamore's question is "a healthy sperm count." (Uh, am I allowed to say that?) Edit: after reviewing the evidence and seeing some of the hints Tom has dropped on this matter, I am no longer convinced my theory is untrue. Quite the opposite, actually. I'm starting to feel convinced that Surma is a trickster god to match Coyote, even though some of her victims have been brainwashed (ha!) into believing the opposite. Surma is Coyote too! Maybe that is why none of the Pomps would take Surma into the ether, they knew. |
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Post by westwindreborn on Jul 21, 2017 23:46:09 GMT
Im glad some people have had the the same thoughts reguarding the surma/tony/james issue. Renard even said that everyone knew that baby=death for surma. And i dont think james would agree to haveing a baby. Tony, however, with all his social awkwardness would make an easy target for an expert emotional manipulator like surma. Surma knew there was nothing medical sience could do for her, she clearly never explained how the elemental nature worked to tony, even if he really didnt care for "ethric sience", his journey after her death clearly shows he is capable of understanding. I dont think he would have agreed to a child unless he really thought he could help. I honestly dont know if it is literally a compultion they go through after a certian age to have a baby or if surma was the most selfish person in the world.
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Post by faiiry on Jul 22, 2017 3:02:34 GMT
Sorry in advance that I can't link properly, mobile sucks. Anyway, I don't think the theory that Surma got with Tony because he could cure her holds any water. gunnerkrigg.com/?p=813 This page is my evidence. We've assumed that the situation here is that Tony has realized he can't cure his wife, and looks at Annie with such an angry look because she's the cause of it all. But here's my point: Look how serene Surma looks. Look how unbothered she is. Especially on 812 - she has tears in her eyes, but smiles gently as she comforts her devastated husband. Anthony is clearly more bothered by the situation than his wife is. I think Surma knew exactly what she was getting into, and moreover, that she 100% accepted it. She was willing to die for her daughter. I don't think she was ever too invested in the idea of a cure. |
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Post by tc on Jul 22, 2017 4:53:24 GMT
create the perfectly balanced* medium known as Antimony. Interesting you should say that - back in March I posted this : There's something about Annie's being a combination of Surma's power and impulsiveness plus Tony's intelligence and single-mindedness that scares the shit out of the Court authorities - I wonder what it is? A characteristic of Tony's that I should have added is his titanium-strength self-control. We saw (along with Annie via the blinker stone) that far from having the "personality of a houseplant", still waters run deep with Tony. We've seen that he has a dry and self-effacing sense of humour, is capable of a great degree of warmth, and cares deeply about those close to him - in fact it could be argued that he cares a little too much for his own well-being. For whatever reason, he's *highly* selective about whom he opens up to - as he left, Donny very specifically told Annie that Tony only dropped his guard because he thought it was just the two of them present. It's been strongly hinted that at least some of the psychopomps have an agenda of their own. It has also been heavily implied that had Zimmy not intervened, the etheric "antenna" made from the bones of Tony's arm could well have killed Annie as he stared, mesmerised by the image of the woman he loved so much. When he finally cracks completely and says "How could I do that to my daughter?" he's not just talking about the way he treated her in class (having been coerced into doing so by the Court). If I had to hazard a guess, the reason why he's so guarded and outwardly chilly around Annie is precisely because in his mind he has failed her three times (not just because he couldn't save Surma or stand up to the Court when he returned - he actually almost got her killed for reasons that he now feels were selfish). It would seem that some of the psychopomps, as well as the Court, desperately fear what Annie may be capable of if they can't control her. |
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Post by youwiththeface on Jul 22, 2017 5:43:23 GMT
This should convince her he's a cool guy over chapters of her witnessing and being mad about how he treated Annie? Whatever you think about Anthony, based on past behavior, it's really out of character for Kat. Also, being good at science should not trump child neglect and abuse. That should outweigh anything else good about a person. True, but if she took Annie's defense at face value (as opposed to recognizing that she found comfort at Kat venting her anger about him), then maybe she figured she'd try to get along with Tony for her friend's sake. And the science while likely not a deal breaker probably helped her to find something to work with. That's not something Kat's ever been able to do, though. Remember the extremely awkward dinner their families had? |
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Post by fish on Jul 22, 2017 9:27:47 GMT
True, but if she took Annie's defense at face value (as opposed to recognizing that she found comfort at Kat venting her anger about him), then maybe she figured she'd try to get along with Tony for her friend's sake. And the science while likely not a deal breaker probably helped her to find something to work with. That's not something Kat's ever been able to do, though. Remember the extremely awkward dinner their families had? Though Kat said "He's totally different when nobody else is around". And we know that's true because we've seen him interact with Donald alone (even before boozing it up he was acting friendlier). So the dinner might have been super awkward because more people were around (or simply because Annie was around). And who knows, maybe he even somehow apologized to Kat when he approached her. Kat never hated him as a person, only the idea of the terrible father he represented. Anyway, to people who detest Tony it will always be jarring to see someone genuinely get along with him. That goes for in-story characters (Eggers mostly) and for readers alike (probably). |
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Post by todd on Jul 22, 2017 12:41:19 GMT
This should convince her he's a cool guy over chapters of her witnessing and being mad about how he treated Annie? Whatever you think about Anthony, based on past behavior, it's really out of character for Kat. Also, being good at science should not trump child neglect and abuse. That should outweigh anything else good about a person. Good points. But in "The Torn Sea", Kat became so excited about the new advances she was making in building bodies for robots that she forgot she was doing it to help a stalker and would-be adulterer, until Paz brought that up. Perhaps Kat's enthusiasm for her scientific pursuits has again led her to forget (and Paz hasn't been around, as far as we know, to remind her of other things). |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 22, 2017 15:30:58 GMT
This should convince her he's a cool guy over chapters of her witnessing and being mad about how he treated Annie? Whatever you think about Anthony, based on past behavior, it's really out of character for Kat. Also, being good at science should not trump child neglect and abuse. That should outweigh anything else good about a person. Good points. But in "The Torn Sea", Kat became so excited about the new advances she was making in building bodies for robots that she forgot she was doing it to help a stalker and would-be adulterer, until Paz brought that up. Perhaps Kat's enthusiasm for her scientific pursuits has again led her to forget (and Paz hasn't been around, as far as we know, to remind her of other things). Well observed. And I would like to add that I can think of several national and international celebrities who have been involved in cases of criminal activities up to rape but still have tons of fans who defend them or just ignore their wrongdoings (a certain film director comes to mind, for example) because of their great ART! or ATHLETICS!, so a science enthusiast might forget someone's misdeeds because of their great SCIENCE! |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 22, 2017 15:40:37 GMT
Good points. But in "The Torn Sea", Kat became so excited about the new advances she was making in building bodies for robots that she forgot she was doing it to help a stalker and would-be adulterer, until Paz brought that up. Perhaps Kat's enthusiasm for her scientific pursuits has again led her to forget (and Paz hasn't been around, as far as we know, to remind her of other things). Well observed. And I would like to add that I can think of several national and international celebrities who have been involved in cases of criminal activities up to rape but still have tons of fans who defend them or just ignore their wrongdoings (a certain film director comes to mind, for example) because of their great ART! or ATHLETICS!, so a science enthusiast might forget someone's misdeeds because of their great SCIENCE! plus, I suspect Kat *was* highly resistant at first, and likely even have confronted Anthony about dubious treatment of Annie. Maybe she heard a little of his take on the situation (that he doesnt deserve to be Annie's father), which softened her view enough to let the dry humor and SCIENCE win her over (in part at least). Maybe(?) |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 22, 2017 15:59:42 GMT
Sorry in advance that I can't link properly, mobile sucks. Anyway, I don't think the theory that Surma got with Tony because he could cure her holds any water. gunnerkrigg.com/?p=813 This page is my evidence. We've assumed that the situation here is that Tony has realized he can't cure his wife, and looks at Annie with such an angry look because she's the cause of it all. But here's my point: Look how serene Surma looks. Look how unbothered she is. Especially on 812 - she has tears in her eyes, but smiles gently as she comforts her devastated husband. Anthony is clearly more bothered by the situation than his wife is. I think Surma knew exactly what she was getting into, and moreover, that she 100% accepted it. She was willing to die for her daughter. I don't think she was ever too invested in the idea of a cure. I see your point, and it seems a reasonable interpretation; you might be right! But I think you could also read it like so: Tony is devastated because he loves Surma and she is dying, and in his hubris and overconfidence he was *sure* he could prevent it, and he now fully realizes he *can't*. Even worse, he indirectly killed her. His world and self image are shattered. Surma has lived most of her life believing that if she had a child, she would die. I posit that she nevertheless wanted a child though, and briefly had hope that maybe super-smart Tony *could* let her have a child and continue to live at its side. But she was never sold on the idea 100% and knew Tony might not succeed. So now she can, more easily than Tony, slide back into her old certainty that, no, she must die as Annie grows. She is sad, for sure, but her early death was always something that might have happened. EDIT: or for another, interesting take on this, see Dreki below |
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Post by dreki on Jul 22, 2017 16:59:15 GMT
This... would actually be a very neat twist. I was never quite convinced of the theory that Surma left Eggers to have a child with Tony. Mainly because I thought this way too callous a reason to start a relationship. But if Surma was a treacherous manipulator this theory is fine. The only question that remains is: why would she want to have a child knowing that she'd die? Some unavoidable elemental instinct? Ditching psychopomp duties? Surma was aging as well, and based on Annie and the flashbacks, she ages the same as a human. So clearly her mother felt the urge to have a child as well. In another comic (El Goonish Shive), there are powerful, immortal, godlike beings. They "reset", basically die and are reborn, periodically. The reason is because they get increasingly powerful and unstable (and bored) the longer they go without a reset. It could be something like that. People with fire elemental pasts/those duties feel the urge to have kids when it's time to pass on the torch (heh). A large fire eats more fuel than a small one, it's possible that the trade off of their power is a short lifespan. So she may have chosen Tony because she felt his genetics/ancestry would be best for her daughter, for whatever reason, or because she wanted to take part of his work. I can imagine Ton consenting to this because she had logical reasons or scientific curiosity. In a sense, she was raising herself. If she really was a self-centered manipulator raising "herself", of course she was a nice mother to herself. A few people have objected to Surma's actions towards Annie. Sending Annie to help a dead boy without any warning or apparent preparation, for example. Or Annie having to be psychopomp to her own mother. I've mentioned before that I feel Surma didn't properly prepare either Tony or Annie for her death. Tony was not ready to be a single dad. Annie has never really seemed like the most emotionally healthy person. I agree Surma was a nice mother. Whether or not she was a good one is still questionable. |
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Post by Runningflame on Jul 22, 2017 19:03:57 GMT
I just want to point out something I've appreciated in Tom's artwork for a while: Watch Annie's shoulders in the last five panels. As she gets more and more agitated, she hunches her shoulders higher and higher. I do this when I'm stressed. Great subtle realism.
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Post by faiiry on Jul 22, 2017 20:45:48 GMT
Guysguysguys. This is reeeeeally subtle and I'm not sure it means anything, but I'm still excited about it. Re: Surma possibly having tricked Tony into loving her, like she did Renard. When Surma tricks and traps Renard here, she's wearing a certain dress. At no other point in the comic does she wear that dress...except here, when Tony sees a vision of her "ghost," which wears the very same outfit. Does it mean anything? I don't know, but I DO know that Tom is very, very wily, and that very seldom in the comic does something mean nothing. I think this was deliberate. Edit: Even if Surma and Tony genuinely fell in love, this is still an awesome hint on Tom's part. Surma is only seen wearing this dress when she is "not real" - first, when she is pretending to love Renard, and secondly when the "Surma" appearing to Tony is not Surma after all. The dress represents trickery. God, I love this comic. Edit: Links were all wrong. |
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Post by csj on Jul 22, 2017 20:56:02 GMT
This... would actually be a very neat twist. I was never quite convinced of the theory that Surma left Eggers to have a child with Tony. Mainly because I thought this way too callous a reason to start a relationship. But if Surma was a treacherous manipulator this theory is fine. The only question that remains is: why would she want to have a child knowing that she'd die? Some unavoidable elemental instinct? Ditching psychopomp duties? Though I really hope this theory isn't true, or at least not this harshly. She seemed like such a nice mum and a fun person... I have trouble believing this theory – not because of evidence in the comic, but because Tom doesn't like the idea of anyone being straight-up evil. Everyone has reasons for doing what they do, although they don't always make the best choices. Tom writes big jerks, but so far no one we can confirm was evil (the closest thing to awful is what was done to Jeanne, but we still don't know the whole story behind that). That's not to say there couldn't be a reason for Surma to trick Tony into having a child with her, but she does seem to genuinely care about him in the flashbacks Annie has had. So – I think it makes more sense to posit that Surma and Anthony had a real relationship, but that it all went down pretty fast and decision were made quickly. Maybe Surma is just really impulsive? That sounds like her. Well, technically, Surma still exists... inside Annie. "Remember, I am always with you" and all that; odds are that will be explored in the future. anyhow, I definitely see the Surma-Tony thing being real as the most probable outcome, but unless Tony specifically promised to find a solution to the whole dying-after-childbirth thing, Surma being the lead makes more sense based on personality as we currently understand them. That said, Annie may be onto something. Love is a lie, NOTHING IS REAL. |
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Post by fish on Jul 22, 2017 21:43:34 GMT
Well, technically, Surma still exists... inside Annie. "Remember, I am always with you" and all that; Did she say that at some point? I can only recall "Remember, I will never send you into danger" or something like that, which is just as dubious a promise. I wouldn't call the Court very safe. |
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Post by Bandolute on Jul 22, 2017 22:52:33 GMT
All this talk of Surma being a Master Manipulator is kinda coming across as fanon to me. She successfully tricked Renard into the Court (and it horribly backfired for them, because, possession and murder), but all she really did was hint at a person who was already head over heels for her that she *might* be interested. He read it into too much, as planned, but like... that's not exactly master-level manipulation on the trickery scale, in my mind? Especially considering it didn't work as intended. And also, she was only doing it on Court orders, if I'm remembering correctly?
I guess you can make a case for Surma purposefully trying to get Renard to fall for her from the start, but I honestly think he'd have done that anyway just over the course of her regular visits.
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Post by The Anarch on Jul 22, 2017 23:16:47 GMT
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Post by todd on Jul 23, 2017 0:03:44 GMT
One more thought on my musing that Anthony's interest in science might have softened Kat enough to forgive him for his treatment of Annie. While I think it might be a factor, there's probably much more involved. Kat knows that Diego was a brilliant scientist, has studied his work intensely, but still (from what we can tell) dislikes him on an intense level for his part in Jeanne's murder. (Of course, she hasn't met him in person.)
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Post by todd on Jul 23, 2017 0:05:05 GMT
She may have had a part in the decision since she was the medium and she was the one who noticed Coyote's possible machinations, but yeah, seems like the Court in general was on the plan. The perception of Surma's massive manipulatory abilities seem to be based almost solely on her ability to trick one lovesick fox with the backing of an extremely powerful and manipulative organization. I think that's a good point. I always saw the Court as the real culprit, not just Surma (though she bears some responsibility for it). |
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Post by fia on Jul 23, 2017 14:59:59 GMT
Guysguysguys. This is reeeeeally subtle and I'm not sure it means anything, but I'm still excited about it. Re: Surma possibly having tricked Tony into loving her, like she did Renard. When Surma tricks and traps Renard here, she's wearing a certain dress. At no other point in the comic does she wear that dress...except here, when Tony sees a vision of her "ghost," which wears the very same outfit. Does it mean anything? I don't know, but I DO know that Tom is very, very wily, and that very seldom in the comic does something mean nothing. I think this was deliberate Great catch! Although I think the hint might be more a hint of timing, viz., whensabout Surma ran off with Tony. And I suspect we've more still to learn about Daniel, the person Rey killed that night. I suspect, as someone hinted above, that this was one of the things that might have made Surma hate the Court. Maybe Eglamore took the Court's side? Or maybe Surma had just had enough in general. Who knows, though, Tony seems to have still been working for the Court while at Good Hope. And he expressed extreme concern that Annie might be "kicked out of the program". Which program??? What is clear to me is that Surma must have dumped Eglamore and left Rey behind around the same time, as that would explain their bonding after Eglamore imprisoned Renard. Misery loves company. |
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 23, 2017 21:44:50 GMT
Guysguysguys. This is reeeeeally subtle and I'm not sure it means anything, but I'm still excited about it. Re: Surma possibly having tricked Tony into loving her, like she did Renard. When Surma tricks and traps Renard here, she's wearing a certain dress. At no other point in the comic does she wear that dress...except here, when Tony sees a vision of her "ghost," which wears the very same outfit. Does it mean anything? I don't know, but I DO know that Tom is very, very wily, and that very seldom in the comic does something mean nothing. I think this was deliberate Great catch! Although I think the hint might be more a hint of timing, viz., whensabout Surma ran off with Tony. And I suspect we've more still to learn about Daniel, the person Rey killed that night. I suspect, as someone hinted above, that this was one of the things that might have made Surma hate the Court. Maybe Eglamore took the Court's side? Or maybe Surma had just had enough in general. Who knows, though, Tony seems to have still been working for the Court while at Good Hope. And he expressed extreme concern that Annie might be "kicked out of the program". Which program??? What is clear to me is that Surma must have dumped Eglamore and left Rey behind around the same time, as that would explain their bonding after Eglamore imprisoned Renard. Misery loves company. Another interesting point: Eggers, Sivo, Anja and Donald are shown to be the ones who captured Rey. Tony is not part of them. This might indeed have something to do with our love mystery. However, as you said, Tony did not stop working for the Court while at Good Hope (where did he get all the time to work as a surgeon, research Surma's pregnancy, and research the Omega Device, anyway?). I never understood it as Rey and Eggers bonding when Rey was imprisoned, though. When we first see them together, Rey calls Eggers "Jailor", and we can see they have both hurt each other. When Eggers thinks that Rey has died, he says he is not sorry (and who can blame him, seeing the lifeless body of his longtime companion Sivo on the ground?). And when Eggers sees that Rey has survived, the first thing he does is to draw a knife. So, I'm pretty sure, the bonding between them did only happen after Rey became a resident of Annie's toy, and was allowed to stroll through the Court on his own. How and when exactly is one of the many mysteries still open. I can well imagine they're sharing their grief over Surma's lost love now, though.. |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 24, 2017 1:55:34 GMT
I never understood it as Rey and Eggers bonding when Rey was imprisoned, though. When we first see them together, Rey calls Eggers "Jailor", and we can see they have both hurt each other. When Eggers thinks that Rey has died, he says he is not sorry (and who can blame him, seeing the lifeless body of his longtime companion Sivo on the ground?). And when Eggers sees that Rey has survived, the first thing he does is to draw a knife. So, I'm pretty sure, the bonding between them did only happen after Rey became a resident of Annie's toy, and was allowed to stroll through the Court on his own. How and when exactly is one of the many mysteries still open. I can well imagine they're sharing their grief over Surma's lost love now, though.. Agreed, the bonding came later. I think part of it is that Rey grew to feel regret and remorse for those he killed - certainly Daniel and perhaps Sivo as well: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1232Eggers can see this is a sign of how much Rey has changed, and respects it, perhaps they bonded over their mutual "loss" of Surma. |
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Post by faiiry on Jul 24, 2017 4:35:12 GMT
Anyone remember when Annie tried to trick Jack into thinking she was into him? Like daughter, like mother??  No, but seriously. I wonder if there are parallels in the past. |
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No, but seriously. I wonder if there are parallels in the past.