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Post by Nepycros on Jul 21, 2017 7:07:33 GMT
This page seems like it's out of place compared to 2 pages ago. Like her revelation skipped forward in time and we were dealing with the outburst on Monday. I can see why she finds it difficult to believe anyone could love Tony. She's never actually received any notable moments of love (that we can see in her memories).
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Post by The Anarch on Jul 21, 2017 7:10:24 GMT
Dangit, Kat, why can't you just hate Annie's father so she can defend and make excuses for him properly?!
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Post by Angry Individual on Jul 21, 2017 7:11:13 GMT
What IS love?
Annie, don't hurt him, don't hurt him, no more.
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Post by youwiththeface on Jul 21, 2017 7:22:15 GMT
What IS love? Tony, don't hurt her, don't hurt her, no more. Fixed that for you. Even though I agree with Annie that Kat's turn around is weird....Annie's seemed more than a little unstable since this chapter started. Does she seem even more so on this page? Like she's confused or arguing with herself, and not in an incredibly natural way? |
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Post by The Anarch on Jul 21, 2017 7:31:49 GMT
Even though I agree with Annie that Kat's turn around is weird....Annie's seemed more than a little unstable since this chapter started. Does she seem even more so on this page? Like she's confused or arguing with herself, and not in an incredibly natural way? Almost as if she's been . . . brainwashed?!dun dun dunnnnnn |
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Post by noone3 on Jul 21, 2017 7:33:28 GMT
Even though I agree with Annie that Kat's turn around is weird... Or is it? She was disgusted at how cold he treated Annie, but he might be pretty cool guy when it comes to science. Like this kid you knew at school, who was totally awkward when in company, but could talk about "his thing" for hours. He has layers. Like onions, ogres and cakes. It does not make him the evilest person in the world, ever. He's just a shut out man who lost his wife and a shitty dad. Not cool beans, Annie. Not cool at all... Edit: You'll see, he's gonna Snape them hard by the time it's over. Mark my words. |
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Post by agasa on Jul 21, 2017 7:33:59 GMT
On the argument of brainwashing, I have to remind you that there's Coyote around.
On the side: Annie looks younger. Smaller. Like a little child.
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 21, 2017 7:40:02 GMT
Man... the irony of that shirt is blowing my mind, man
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Post by ST13R on Jul 21, 2017 9:32:14 GMT
No no Annie, manipulating was your mothers thing, remember? |
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Post by bedinsis on Jul 21, 2017 10:01:50 GMT
Is Mr. Siddell trying to invoke the Dutch Angle in that last frame? It might evoke that Annie is not in control of the situation. On the side: Annie looks younger. Smaller. Like a little child. Or that. Kat and Anja take up more of the frame with that angle. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jul 21, 2017 10:02:29 GMT
What IS love? Tony, don't hurt her, don't hurt her, no more. Fixed that for you. Even though I agree with Annie that Kat's turn around is weird....Annie's seemed more than a little unstable since this chapter started. Does she seem even more so on this page? Like she's confused or arguing with herself, and not in an incredibly natural way? Annie is like a spinning top that has started to wobble. |
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Post by westwindreborn on Jul 21, 2017 10:32:32 GMT
Annie needs to realize the reason she is doubting things isnt because of her father. Surma was the manipulative one.
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Post by ecarr on Jul 21, 2017 10:34:48 GMT
This lurker's gonna throw his two cents in; I don't think this is actually happening For Realsies.
I think this is a stress dream Kat's having about how Annie is going to react when she finds out. Annie's reaction is blown out of proportion. Yes, Kat has always been pretty open in her vehemence for Tony, but Annie also understands the whys of working with (and for) people you don't trust or necessarily like. Kat AFAIK never met Coyote and has never been to the Forest. She knows of him, from Rey and from the building collapse back in Meetings and Re-Meetings, but beyond that, she's relying on what Annie tells her. Annie likes Coyote, but on some level she knows that he's a trickster and not to be trusted. And yet Annie served as his medium for actual years before Tony came along.
And Annie's acting somewhat out of character here. I mean, "Brainwashing" doesn't sound like a term that Annie would ever use, even knowing about Coyote's hold on Ysengrin. The other thing that Annie's maybe not considering if this is for real, is that whatever time Tony is spending with Kat is time he's not screwing with Annie.
That's.... a little jumbled, I'm aware. This is why I don't usually post. Also I've been "awake" for all of a half hour and my caffeine hasn't kicked in yet.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 21, 2017 12:23:39 GMT
Yes, why did she marry him?
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Anja, I'm talking to you! You were there when Surma traded Jimmy Jims in for Tony! TELL US!
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Post by zaferion on Jul 21, 2017 12:30:39 GMT
Uh oh. That's the Annie-Is-Having-A-Mental-Break skewed angle in the last panel. The last time we saw this was when Tony first showed up and when Renard told Annie how Surma died.
This does not bode well. I expect fire.
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Post by todd on Jul 21, 2017 12:38:18 GMT
This lurker's gonna throw his two cents in; I don't think this is actually happening For Realsies. I think this is a stress dream Kat's having about how Annie is going to react when she finds out. Annie's reaction is blown out of proportion. Yes, Kat has always been pretty open in her vehemence for Tony, but Annie also understands the whys of working with (and for) people you don't trust or necessarily like. Kat AFAIK never met Coyote and has never been to the Forest. She knows of him, from Rey and from the building collapse back in Meetings and Re-Meetings, but beyond that, she's relying on what Annie tells her. Annie likes Coyote, but on some level she knows that he's a trickster and not to be trusted. And yet Annie served as his medium for actual years before Tony came along. And Annie's acting somewhat out of character here. I mean, "Brainwashing" doesn't sound like a term that Annie would ever use, even knowing about Coyote's hold on Ysengrin. The other thing that Annie's maybe not considering if this is for real, is that whatever time Tony is spending with Kat is time he's not screwing with Annie. I hope Tom's not taking that route; the "it was all a dream" revelation generally feels like a disappointment. I'd find it tempting to explain Kat's sudden turnaround, Annie's being unaware of those meetings until one of her visits just happens to coincide with Anthony's being there, etc., but I hope there's a different reason for it. |
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Post by todd on Jul 21, 2017 12:40:41 GMT
The page did strike me, when I read it, as like a recap of the past two pages, rather than moving forward - but every now and then in a serialized story, you probably do need to include a "for those just joining us" moment. |
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Post by fia on Jul 21, 2017 12:51:39 GMT
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Post by csj on Jul 21, 2017 13:03:02 GMT
Gee, imagine if Surma tricked Tony as well as Rey. Wouldn't that be a laugh (no it wouldn't this is all pretty damn crazy)
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Post by ohthatone on Jul 21, 2017 13:08:54 GMT
The page did strike me, when I read it, as like a recap of the past two pages, rather than moving forward - but every now and then in a serialized story, you probably do need to include a "for those just joining us" moment. Pages like this make me think we are being set up.
Anja: you see, Annie, I know the reason. Annie: yes? Anja: all of it, why Surma broke up with James, why she married Tony... Annie: ...Yes?? Anja: that reason, that heart breaking, plot twisting, horribly interesting reason is... Us: YEEEESSSS?? Dr Distaster: SPACEMONAUGHTS! ADVENTURE CALLS FOR THE REST OF THE CHAPTER.
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Post by atteSmythe on Jul 21, 2017 13:19:33 GMT
Bean status: not sure they're even beans any more
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Post by icaruscollective on Jul 21, 2017 13:25:10 GMT
Seems like she wasn't even conscious of what she said a couple pages ago about her dad brainwashing her mom, and now that it's been repeated back to her, she's treating it as a new idea and escalating herself, in a kind of Escher-like spiral.
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Post by faiiry on Jul 21, 2017 13:57:08 GMT
*chanting, banging forks and knives on table* FLASHBACK! FLASHBACK!
No, but seriously. When and why did Annie come to this unfounded and random conclusion? Anja needs to step in, be an adult and nip this in the bud if no one else will.
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Post by faiiry on Jul 21, 2017 14:03:45 GMT
No no Annie, manipulating was your mothers thing, remember? Oh my god, you're right. Now I'm waiting for the Monday page when Anja takes Annie gently by the shoulders and says "Oh, no, honey. It was the other way around." I've just developed a probably-untrue theory that, when Surma wanted a child but James wouldn't agree (or maybe was unable) to be the father, she kicked him to the curb and charmed Anthony into helping her instead. So the answer to Eglamore's question is "a healthy sperm count." (Uh, am I allowed to say that?) Edit: after reviewing the evidence and seeing some of the hints Tom has dropped on this matter, I am no longer convinced my theory is untrue. Quite the opposite, actually. I'm starting to feel convinced that Surma is a trickster god to match Coyote, even though some of her victims have been brainwashed (ha!) into believing the opposite. |
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Post by fish on Jul 21, 2017 15:11:13 GMT
No no Annie, manipulating was your mothers thing, remember? Oh my god, you're right. Now I'm waiting for the Monday page when Anja takes Annie gently by the shoulders and says "Oh, no, honey. It was the other way around." I've just developed a probably-untrue theory that, when Surma wanted a child but James wouldn't agree (or maybe was unable) to be the father, she kicked him to the curb and charmed Anthony into helping her instead. So the answer to Eglamore's question is "a healthy sperm count." (Uh, am I allowed to say that?) Edit: after reviewing the evidence and seeing some of the hints Tom has dropped on this matter, I am no longer convinced my theory is untrue. Quite the opposite, actually. I'm starting to feel convinced that Surma is a trickster god to match Coyote, even though some of her victims have been brainwashed (ha!) into believing the opposite. This... would actually be a very neat twist. I was never quite convinced of the theory that Surma left Eggers to have a child with Tony. Mainly because I thought this way too callous a reason to start a relationship. But if Surma was a treacherous manipulator this theory is fine. The only question that remains is: why would she want to have a child knowing that she'd die? Some unavoidable elemental instinct? Ditching psychopomp duties? Though I really hope this theory isn't true, or at least not this harshly. She seemed like such a nice mum and a fun person... |
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Post by jda on Jul 21, 2017 16:02:27 GMT
Oh my god, you're right. Now I'm waiting for the Monday page when Anja takes Annie gently by the shoulders and says "Oh, no, honey. It was the other way around." I've just developed a probably-untrue theory that, when Surma wanted a child but James wouldn't agree (or maybe was unable) to be the father, she kicked him to the curb and charmed Anthony into helping her instead. So the answer to Eglamore's question is "a healthy sperm count." (Uh, am I allowed to say that?) Edit: after reviewing the evidence and seeing some of the hints Tom has dropped on this matter, I am no longer convinced my theory is untrue. Quite the opposite, actually. I'm starting to feel convinced that Surma is a trickster god to match Coyote, even though some of her victims have been brainwashed (ha!) into believing the opposite. This... would actually be a very neat twist. I was never quite convinced of the theory that Surma left Eggers to have a child with Tony. Mainly because I thought this way too callous a reason to start a relationship. But if Surma was a treacherous manipulator this theory is fine. The only question that remains is: why would she want to have a child knowing that she'd die? Some unavoidable elemental instinct? Ditching psychopomp duties? Though I really hope this theory isn't true, or at least not this harshly. She seemed like such a nice mum and a fun person... I feel that this is going to be the only possible twist left (ha! Tom finds my lack of imagination... disturbing); Surma went jealous of someone (Brinnie?) making a move on James, so she just left with James natural enemy: Tony. Just for the kick of FireElemental-ism. Oh, and then she went pregnant. |
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Post by ohthatone on Jul 21, 2017 16:23:14 GMT
Oh my god, you're right. Now I'm waiting for the Monday page when Anja takes Annie gently by the shoulders and says "Oh, no, honey. It was the other way around." I've just developed a probably-untrue theory that, when Surma wanted a child but James wouldn't agree (or maybe was unable) to be the father, she kicked him to the curb and charmed Anthony into helping her instead. So the answer to Eglamore's question is "a healthy sperm count." (Uh, am I allowed to say that?) Edit: after reviewing the evidence and seeing some of the hints Tom has dropped on this matter, I am no longer convinced my theory is untrue. Quite the opposite, actually. I'm starting to feel convinced that Surma is a trickster god to match Coyote, even though some of her victims have been brainwashed (ha!) into believing the opposite. This... would actually be a very neat twist. I was never quite convinced of the theory that Surma left Eggers to have a child with Tony. Mainly because I thought this way too callous a reason to start a relationship. But if Surma was a treacherous manipulator this theory is fine. The only question that remains is: why would she want to have a child knowing that she'd die? Some unavoidable elemental instinct? Ditching psychopomp duties? Though I really hope this theory isn't true, or at least not this harshly. She seemed like such a nice mum and a fun person... Especially with Tony of all people. I'm sure she could have found someone with more than a personality of a houseplant of she really wanted. Being in the same circle of friends I'm sure she saw something to him, but I'm having a hard time believing she thought he'd make father of the year in the likely event of her death. I still lean towards the idea that Tony thought he could "cure" her and she wanted to give it a shot. maybe he presented a really convincing power point show.
I am also not ruling out the idea they got into the achewater one night and one thing led to another.
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Post by jda on Jul 21, 2017 16:33:20 GMT
Bean status: not sure they're even beans any more Bean status: nuculear fuel rods |
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Post by rosencrantz on Jul 21, 2017 16:35:33 GMT
So Annie and Rey have mindmelded? I blame Coyote. |
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Post by fia on Jul 21, 2017 18:06:15 GMT
Oh my god, you're right. Now I'm waiting for the Monday page when Anja takes Annie gently by the shoulders and says "Oh, no, honey. It was the other way around." I've just developed a probably-untrue theory that, when Surma wanted a child but James wouldn't agree (or maybe was unable) to be the father, she kicked him to the curb and charmed Anthony into helping her instead. So the answer to Eglamore's question is "a healthy sperm count." (Uh, am I allowed to say that?) Edit: after reviewing the evidence and seeing some of the hints Tom has dropped on this matter, I am no longer convinced my theory is untrue. Quite the opposite, actually. I'm starting to feel convinced that Surma is a trickster god to match Coyote, even though some of her victims have been brainwashed (ha!) into believing the opposite. This... would actually be a very neat twist. I was never quite convinced of the theory that Surma left Eggers to have a child with Tony. Mainly because I thought this way too callous a reason to start a relationship. But if Surma was a treacherous manipulator this theory is fine. The only question that remains is: why would she want to have a child knowing that she'd die? Some unavoidable elemental instinct? Ditching psychopomp duties? Though I really hope this theory isn't true, or at least not this harshly. She seemed like such a nice mum and a fun person... I have trouble believing this theory – not because of evidence in the comic, but because Tom doesn't like the idea of anyone being straight-up evil. Everyone has reasons for doing what they do, although they don't always make the best choices. Tom writes big jerks, but so far no one we can confirm was evil (the closest thing to awful is what was done to Jeanne, but we still don't know the whole story behind that). That's not to say there couldn't be a reason for Surma to trick Tony into having a child with her, but she does seem to genuinely care about him in the flashbacks Annie has had. So – I think it makes more sense to posit that Surma and Anthony had a real relationship, but that it all went down pretty fast and decision were made quickly. Maybe Surma is just really impulsive? That sounds like her. |
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