clover
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Post by clover on Mar 19, 2017 4:46:29 GMT
Alas, this is immaterial to the question of what utilitarian quandary that the murder 'solved,' in the eyes of the court. I simply also understand that they have no idea what they have been manipulated into setting in motion. I don't think that the Guides had corrupt reasons for getting Annie to free Jeanne (like, say, hoping that it would clear the way for Gilltie launching an attack on the Court); they were confronted with a situation that they recognized as unnatural (a ghost tethered to the world in such a way that it was unable to move on, and even killing those Guides who (apparently) were trying to help her. That was clearly enough something that was wrong and could not be allowed to continue. Were the methods they used to get Annie to help Jeanne manipulative? Maybe, though given their "non-intervention" rules, they didn't have much leeway. But I don't think they had ulterior motives. I actually think that the afterlife guides are not at all going to be the primary issue. Annie will personally have to manage the severe consequences to her life of having to submit to their control, but I believe that whatever chaos and upheaval are going to be experienced in general as a consequence of their actions is most likely going to go way beyond the guides themselves. The advantage to a claim as bold as my general one (that we don't know why or how yet, but Annie & Friends have unleashed something big and not what they would have intended) is that it can and will be tested. The future of the comic will determine whether I was right, or if I was full of it! |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Mar 19, 2017 13:19:24 GMT
Severe emotional trauma on Red's part is my main takeaway. I've been in Antinomy's shoes, on the receiving end of it, and it pretty much looks like this chapter. I wonder if the court actually has any therapists for stuff like this- or how quote etheric sciences unquote might deal with something like physiological damage. There is Lindsey. |
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Post by snowflake on Mar 19, 2017 14:36:05 GMT
And that's what she's being criticized for. Except in this case she did NOT act impetuously, was quite aware of the danger of her actions, and was involved in crafting a plan that included means of dealing with quite a lot of contingencies. (Not all contingencies, of course. No plan EVER covers ALL contingencies. And since we didn't run the planning and preparation through a microscope, we don't know exactly how much of the contingency planning she was aware of. Was Kat's tool to look at the ethereum something that Annie suggested, something Kat or someone else suggested and then the group discussed, or something Kat did entirely on her own?) Could the group have had an even better plan? Probably. Perhaps if they'd waited until they were all in their thirties, they might have come up with a plan that covered twice as many contingencies... they still wouldn't cover all of them. I get the impression that much of what Annie's being criticized for is not seeking help from the grown-ups, and there's some justice in that; a lot of the trouble she's gotten into could have been avoided if she'd gone to Anya, Eglamore, Jones, or someone like that, instead of trying to fix it herself. Turning to grown-ups for help would not have been an easy decision, given that if the adult decided they didn't like what they were hearing, they could act to prevent the kids from realizing their plan at all. It was a "you best not miss" situation, from the point of view of kids who already know many reasons to mistrust the Court. |
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Post by todd on Mar 19, 2017 23:44:12 GMT
I get the impression that much of what Annie's being criticized for is not seeking help from the grown-ups, and there's some justice in that; a lot of the trouble she's gotten into could have been avoided if she'd gone to Anya, Eglamore, Jones, or someone like that, instead of trying to fix it herself. Turning to grown-ups for help would not have been an easy decision, given that if the adult decided they didn't like what they were hearing, they could act to prevent the kids from realizing their plan at all. It was a "you best not miss" situation, from the point of view of kids who already know many reasons to mistrust the Court. A good point, and one that I'd thought of as well. (I doubt that Jones would have responded that way, of course. Maybe Anya, Donald, and Eglamore, too, though it's difficult to say how they'd have responded to that situation - where helping Annie and Co. free Jeanne would be going against an old policy of the Court's - even if the present Court administration didn't know about it.) |
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Post by luxanima on Mar 20, 2017 12:31:58 GMT
I am personally convinced that the consequences this act will almost certainly represent one of if not the most significant crisis point of the entire Gunnerkrigg Court story. We just have yet to discover how significantly Antimony got super, super played, and to what ends. But what will it be? Does anyone have an idea? There's a thing that I've been suspecting from early on of the comic, but it might just be my wishful thinking 'cause I love that... trope? Anyway, now that there's no Jeanne, it might be possible that some sort of reunification between the Court and the Forest might commence. Was it mentioned that Jeanne was an obstacle to that before? I can't remember. Plus, I kinda feel that the Court is a big metaphor for technology and rationality, while the Forest would be something like emotions and stuff. It would be cool if the whole story is Annie getting the hang of her emotionality on the micro-scale, while the reunification of the Court and the Forest is basically the same thing on the macro scale... Or you know, maybe Coyote just doesn't want competition.In any case, hype for the first page of the next chapter! |
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Post by ohthatone on Mar 20, 2017 13:55:27 GMT
I am personally convinced that the consequences this act will almost certainly represent one of if not the most significant crisis point of the entire Gunnerkrigg Court story. We just have yet to discover how significantly Antimony got super, super played, and to what ends. But what will it be? Does anyone have an idea? There's a thing that I've been suspecting from early on of the comic, but it might just be my wishful thinking 'cause I love that... trope? Anyway, now that there's no Jeanne, it might be possible that some sort of reunification between the Court and the Forest might commence. Was it mentioned that Jeanne was an obstacle to that before? I can't remember. Plus, I kinda feel that the Court is a big metaphor for technology and rationality, while the Forest would be something like emotions and stuff. It would be cool if the whole story is Annie getting the hang of her emotionality on the micro-scale, while the reunification of the Court and the Forest is basically the same thing on the macro scale... Or you know, maybe Coyote just doesn't want competition.In any case, hype for the first page of the next chapter! I forget where it's mentioned, but Jeanne was meant to guard the Annan and keep anything from crossing over--more specifically to keep the Forest out of the Court. Now that Jeanne isn't there, I suspect the Court will receive some surprise guests very soon. That's of course assuming Coyote even has an interest in the Court. I wonder if Coyote knows Annie was involved. If he does and blabs to the Court, Annie's gonna have some 'splaining to do and it won't end well. that's if he knows and if he blabs, which he might not for any number of good or bad reasons.
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Post by clover on Mar 21, 2017 0:37:30 GMT
I am personally convinced that the consequences this act will almost certainly represent one of if not the most significant crisis point of the entire Gunnerkrigg Court story. We just have yet to discover how significantly Antimony got super, super played, and to what ends. But what will it be? Does anyone have an idea? As far as I understand it so far, the most pertinent bread crumbs we have so far are these: - we know the device's 'installation' was carefully intended by the court and that there was one dissenter - jeanne's ghost is what prevented anything from crossing the waters - the way the story has been narratively telegraphed thus far seems to indicate that coyote immediately sensed jeanne's departure, and is delighted by this coming to pass. Additionally, I am curious about the following: - what will Kat be able to do with the device now that she possesses it? Will their possession of the device become pertinent in a major way? - what are the terms and obligations that Antimony is now beholden to with the guides? - another long unsolved issue involves that Red uncovered deception on the part of the Wood and the time that one of the mechanical birds installed itself on the rockface by the waters. What part might the birds play? |
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Post by todd on Mar 21, 2017 0:45:48 GMT
Tom said once that the Court and the Wood would never be re-united (though I don't remember where).
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