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Post by donna on Feb 3, 2017 20:31:58 GMT
Time for an all-out war to decide who gets custody over Fire Head Girl: the psychopomps or Coyote! Or Anthony/the Court, but no one expects them to win control of her. Not even a contest... Coyote, being a god, and not really existing anyway, is untouchable. Pomps lose in 3....2....1.... and Coyote giggles over a smoking pile of owl bits, dog fur, and shattered scythe pieces.... She gave her word. Unbreakable... |
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Post by artezzatrigger on Feb 3, 2017 21:05:12 GMT
Slowly a monster's head appears above the water " we can cross, their defences are gone. finally the war can begin!" Many people seem to be saying this, but I don't understand the great novelty of a jeanneless ravine. I mean, THE BRIDGE EXISTS. It gets crossed; sometimes even by those who aren't welcome. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=114www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=548So I can see how Jeanne mattered before there was a bridge, but now, what is the actual difference? EDIT: Surely if Jeanne were performing an important function, the Court would at least wonder who or what was doing their work for them? I don't necessarily expect the forest to attack, but I also don't expect the gangs actions to go unnoticed or be without consequence. I wouldn't see it being out of the realm of possibility for the de-Jeanne-ification of the ravine to send the more out of touch members of the court into a panic of some sort, regardless of what its actual consequences might be. |
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Post by aline on Feb 3, 2017 22:11:30 GMT
I don't necessarily expect the forest to attack, but I also don't expect the gangs actions to go unnoticed or be without consequence. I wouldn't see it being out of the realm of possibility for the de-Jeanne-ification of the ravine to send the more out of touch members of the court into a panic of some sort, regardless of what its actual consequences might be. Except everyone at the Court seems to have forgotten Jeanne's existence. Jones knew nothing about her. Maybe a few higher ups have it in their records that a Court-created angry ghost guards the Annan waters, but since she's been there for centuries, I doubt anyone is going to check on the situation regularly. I'm sure there will be ramifications at some point... but probably it will take a while before anyone notices the ravine can be crossed. The comic can take as long as it wants before dropping that shoe. |
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Post by lemarc on Feb 3, 2017 22:20:14 GMT
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but it just occurred to me - why didn't Parley use Coyoyte's tooth to fight Jeanne? Too spooked after the incident with Robot and Shadow? Is there an explanation in the comic?
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Post by exuberancium on Feb 3, 2017 23:02:42 GMT
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but it just occurred to me - why didn't Parley use Coyoyte's tooth to fight Jeanne? Too spooked after the incident with Robot and Shadow? Is there an explanation in the comic? That, and she didn't want to accidentally destroy Jeanne's spirit. They are trying to save her, after all. And now that I think about it, would they even be able to clash swords or would Coyote's tooth just cut Jeanne's spirit sword in two? |
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Post by bgb16999 on Feb 3, 2017 23:30:51 GMT
Am I the only one kind of upset by the way Tom did all this? I don't want to see Annie forced into becoming a psychopomp to save Mighty Eyebrows. To be honest, I'd rather him have died. I don't like this turn at all. I was half-hoping Smitty would die so that we could see Paz become the new Medium. But overall, I'm not particularly upset by how this went. We still don't really know what Annie agreed to, though. I assume we'll find out in a year of real-time  |
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Post by todd on Feb 4, 2017 0:20:25 GMT
Am I the only one kind of upset by the way Tom did all this? I don't want to see Annie forced into becoming a psychopomp to save Mighty Eyebrows. To be honest, I'd rather him have died. I don't like this turn at all. As I've mentioned (several times), I think that the ramifications of Andrew's death would have most likely made it too difficult to continue "Gunnerkrigg Court" in a recognizable form. I suggest waiting to see where Tom goes with the consequences of Annie's deal with the Guides before saying "I don't like it". But it does mean that the comic can continue. |
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Post by tehpwnagepie on Feb 4, 2017 0:55:20 GMT
If it starts to go in the direction I'm hoping it doesn't then I will quit reading it.
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Post by saardvark on Feb 4, 2017 2:00:12 GMT
Not even a contest... Coyote, being a god, and not really existing anyway, is untouchable. Pomps lose in 3....2....1.... and Coyote giggles over a smoking pile of owl bits, dog fur, and shattered scythe pieces.... Some of the psychopomps may be gods themselves. Some mythologically are. Also, the psychopomps make sure spirits go back to the Ether correctly, and ensure that "the world keeps turning". They may have some clout with Coyote. Which again begs the question, who is the psychopomp for the less-Etheric Forest Folk? Do they have a signal one? Does Coyote usher them on, by gobbling them up?(that some how seems appropriate) we also know that Jeanne (a mere super-powered ghost) could kill some of the pomps, so some are at least not immortal-type gods. Good point about Coyote, tho; he definitely wants "the world to keep spinning" and the ether keep being "fed", or he may cease to be himself. |
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Post by Aurelia Verity on Feb 4, 2017 16:52:12 GMT
It isn't over until all that was set out to be accompished is done. We shall never know peace until whatserface gets her name. What’s-her-face getting a name seems like a light-hearted moment, Tom probably reserved it for the bonus page. Is it just me, or is this page drawn very voyeuristically: one steady viewpoint, high above the group. It’s possible that the next page will reveal that someone was watching the group the entire time. If this is true, there are three possibilities of who it will be: 1) A court representative: Most logical conclusion, it has been established that a number of people in that group are constantly observed. The court keeps tabs on Annie, on Kat’s progress with Robot and in general it traces student’s movements. While logical, this is a little obvious and it seems like way more fun and plot development could be derived from the Court having no idea about Jeanne or the barrier and why it is suddenly gone. 2) A forest representative: This is less set up, but it would definitely further the plot if we established that the forest knows that the barrier is gone and it would keep Annie in business as the forest medium, introducing her to the consequences of her own actions. 3) A tic-toc: This is my favorite theory. It’s not supported by anything recent in the story, but it would make a lot of sense narratively. The original Annan Waters storyline (spanning Chapter 7 and 8) introduced in depth two concepts (Ghost of Jeanne and Fairies) and expanded the roles of one (Tic-tocs). Since then, the Jeanne arc emerged as one of the main ones in the story. Now, over fifty chapters later it concludes and this chapter had a lot of callbacks to the Chapter 7 and 8. Kat and the Fairies and Annie are in the ravine again. Robot perishes again (at least in body). And finally, Green Guy gives Annie the hair clip she lost in Chapter 8 and Jeanne wipes away the scar she gave Annie in Chapter 8. At this point, we have an explanation for everything that happened in the Annan Waters storyline except the tic-tocs, who saved Annie but threw her in the water, as it turns out directly above Green Guy. Here, at least narratively, it would make sense to pan back and re-introduce the them again. One arc concludes, and from it another, bigger one starts up. Who are the tic-tocs? We know they are not just early one-off characters because they were referenced briefly as late as Chapter 25. I like this theory the most because with Tom’s stories the consequences of actions are rarely immediate. Annie’s cheating for example, was established very early but it’s full ramifications were not known until much later. Same with this, the disappearance of Jeanne will likely not cause immediate large consequences, instead little hints here or there that something is up and then thirty chapters later we get a chapter what changes everything. Maybe. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Feb 4, 2017 18:14:25 GMT
It isn't over until all that was set out to be accompished is done. We shall never know peace until whatserface gets her name. ... 3) A tic-toc: This is my favorite theory. It’s not supported by anything recent in the story, but it would make a lot of sense narratively. The original Annan Waters storyline (spanning Chapter 7 and 8) introduced in depth two concepts (Ghost of Jeanne and Fairies) and expanded the roles of one (Tic-tocs). Since then, the Jeanne arc emerged as one of the main ones in the story. Now, over fifty chapters later it concludes and this chapter had a lot of callbacks to the Chapter 7 and 8. Kat and the Fairies and Annie are in the ravine again. Robot perishes again (at least in body). And finally, Green Guy gives Annie the hair clip she lost in Chapter 8 and Jeanne wipes away the scar she gave Annie in Chapter 8. At this point, we have an explanation for everything that happened in the Annan Waters storyline except the tic-tocs, who saved Annie but threw her in the water, as it turns out directly above Green Guy. Here, at least narratively, it would make sense to pan back and re-introduce the them again. One arc concludes, and from it another, bigger one starts up. Who are the tic-tocs? We know they are not just early one-off characters because they were referenced briefly as late as Chapter 25. I like this theory the most because with Tom’s stories the consequences of actions are rarely immediate. Annie’s cheating for example, was established very early but it’s full ramifications were not known until much later. Same with this, the disappearance of Jeanne will likely not cause immediate large consequences, instead little hints here or there that something is up and then thirty chapters later we get a chapter what changes everything. Maybe. I really like the Tic Toc idea, but I have to say that Tom likes to do sequences where the point of view is panning out/back from the scene. Very cinamatic for a comic. Definitely lets the reader know that we're done here. |
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Post by atteSmythe on Feb 4, 2017 19:44:58 GMT
I also really like the tic toc idea. It hadn't occurred to me, but we haven't seen them for a while, and we know they hang out by the bridge, so it would be a good way to keep them in the story.
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Post by todd on Feb 5, 2017 0:08:10 GMT
I also really like the tic toc idea. It hadn't occurred to me, but we haven't seen them for a while, and we know they hang out by the bridge, so it would be a good way to keep them in the story. If a Tictoc hadn't shown up in Chapter Eleven (Zimmy attacks it), I'd have thought that they'd all left the Court after rescuing Annie, in a "Our work here is finished" manner. But I've wondered myself (whenever I remember them) when they'll return on-stage in the comic. |
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Post by arf on Feb 5, 2017 4:55:03 GMT
The tic-toc return is an interesting thought. They haven't been seen since Chapter 11 (which was Vol. I)
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Post by atteSmythe on Feb 5, 2017 6:48:51 GMT
There's a dead one in Chapter 14, and an icon of one shows up on the robot king's banner in Chapter 25. I feel like there might be one more later reference that I'm forgetting, but I'm really not sure... Edit: I guess not - according to the searchable database, that's the last reference. It's still been a long time! |
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Post by speedwell on Feb 5, 2017 12:11:19 GMT
It isn't over until all that was set out to be accompished is done. We shall never know peace until whatserface gets her name. What’s-her-face getting a name seems like a light-hearted moment, Tom probably reserved it for the bonus page. No, I think that's what might have happened in the second panel of THIS page: - Kat calls to Red and Blue to come help her. - Annie makes a half-turn toward Kat as if to say "Wait, don't...". - Blue responds by running toward Kat. - Red is upset. |
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Post by Refugee on Feb 5, 2017 14:30:25 GMT
I'm not too worried about Coyote--he must be aware of the tendency of mortals to be somewhat ephemeral, in their plans as well as their lifespans. Especially in the case of children, who are still growing into them selves.
To him, Annie would be a mayfly.
For similar reasons, I don't expect Annie to take office in the RotD immediately either. She'll have a few moments--like, oh, the rest of her life, to settle her affairs before starting the business of eternally seeing the dying properly off.
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Post by philman on Feb 6, 2017 8:39:10 GMT
Slowly a monster's head appears above the water " we can cross, their defences are gone. finally the war can begin!" Many people seem to be saying this, but I don't understand the great novelty of a jeanneless ravine. I mean, THE BRIDGE EXISTS. It gets crossed; sometimes even by those who aren't welcome. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=114www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=548So I can see how Jeanne mattered before there was a bridge, but now, what is the actual difference? EDIT: Surely if Jeanne were performing an important function, the Court would at least wonder who or what was doing their work for them? The bridge is lit up 24/7 in order to prevent the shadow men from crossing. I presume there are other defences there too, although sometimes those things slip through. Now there is a completely undefended river, and from todays page we know that Coyote is now aware... |
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Post by fia on Feb 6, 2017 16:53:03 GMT
It isn't over until all that was set out to be accompished is done. We shall never know peace until whatserface gets her name. What’s-her-face getting a name seems like a light-hearted moment, Tom probably reserved it for the bonus page. Is it just me, or is this page drawn very voyeuristically: one steady viewpoint, high above the group. It’s possible that the next page will reveal that someone was watching the group the entire time. If this is true, there are three possibilities of who it will be: 1) A court representative: Most logical conclusion, it has been established that a number of people in that group are constantly observed. The court keeps tabs on Annie, on Kat’s progress with Robot and in general it traces student’s movements. While logical, this is a little obvious and it seems like way more fun and plot development could be derived from the Court having no idea about Jeanne or the barrier and why it is suddenly gone. 2) A forest representative: This is less set up, but it would definitely further the plot if we established that the forest knows that the barrier is gone and it would keep Annie in business as the forest medium, introducing her to the consequences of her own actions. 3) A tic-toc: This is my favorite theory. It’s not supported by anything recent in the story, but it would make a lot of sense narratively. The original Annan Waters storyline (spanning Chapter 7 and 8) introduced in depth two concepts (Ghost of Jeanne and Fairies) and expanded the roles of one (Tic-tocs). Since then, the Jeanne arc emerged as one of the main ones in the story. Now, over fifty chapters later it concludes and this chapter had a lot of callbacks to the Chapter 7 and 8. Kat and the Fairies and Annie are in the ravine again. Robot perishes again (at least in body). And finally, Green Guy gives Annie the hair clip she lost in Chapter 8 and Jeanne wipes away the scar she gave Annie in Chapter 8. At this point, we have an explanation for everything that happened in the Annan Waters storyline except the tic-tocs, who saved Annie but threw her in the water, as it turns out directly above Green Guy. Here, at least narratively, it would make sense to pan back and re-introduce the them again. One arc concludes, and from it another, bigger one starts up. Who are the tic-tocs? We know they are not just early one-off characters because they were referenced briefly as late as Chapter 25. I like this theory the most because with Tom’s stories the consequences of actions are rarely immediate. Annie’s cheating for example, was established very early but it’s full ramifications were not known until much later. Same with this, the disappearance of Jeanne will likely not cause immediate large consequences, instead little hints here or there that something is up and then thirty chapters later we get a chapter what changes everything. Maybe. You called it, was Option #2. I tip my hat to you sir or madam. |
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