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Surma
Oct 27, 2008 19:40:38 GMT
Post by penguinfactory on Oct 27, 2008 19:40:38 GMT
It could just be theme naming. JK Rowling did this a lot (Remus Lupin and Fenrir Greyback, anyone?) but it wasn't really significant to the plot in any way.
On the other hand, many people have speculated (and I agree) that Annie wearing eye-shadow is somehow plot-relevant, which would make the Surma/antimony/eye shadow connection a subtle story hint.
In any case, I really like how this stuff is inserted into the comic. When many people try to do this it comes across as if the author is whacking you over the head with the symbolism hammer, but in GC it feels very natural.
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Surma
Oct 27, 2008 21:33:37 GMT
Post by Mezzaphor on Oct 27, 2008 21:33:37 GMT
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Surma
Oct 27, 2008 22:44:41 GMT
Post by Llandaryn on Oct 27, 2008 22:44:41 GMT
You know in which other work eye symbolism is rampant? Blade Runner! Whilst not a bad film, I dislike how it veered from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? -- some very important underlying philosophical questions were left out of the film, in order to cater to society's desire to watch films that provide violent entertainment, rather than provoke deep introspective thought. To return to the topic: I am willing to bet a shiny penny that whatever law Reyardine broke has something to do with Surma.
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Surma
Mar 27, 2009 8:05:47 GMT
Post by silvercat on Mar 27, 2009 8:05:47 GMT
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Surma
Mar 27, 2009 21:40:46 GMT
Post by Babble-jargon Bill on Mar 27, 2009 21:40:46 GMT
You know in which other work eye symbolism is rampant? Blade Runner! Whilst not a bad film, I dislike how it veered from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? -- some very important underlying philosophical questions were left out of the film, in order to cater to society's desire to watch films that provide violent entertainment, rather than provoke deep introspective thought. To return to the topic: I am willing to bet a shiny penny that whatever law Reyardine broke has something to do with Surma. Isn't the law that he broke referring to when he possessed that guy's body to infiltrate the Court? That's what I always assumed.
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Surma
Mar 29, 2009 8:42:25 GMT
Post by warrl on Mar 29, 2009 8:42:25 GMT
2. One thing that bugs me is why Surma never told Annie she was a medium at the Court- she must have known Annie would find out once she was there. As to why Surma wanted Annie to go to GC, it might just be because Surma liked it there. There's also the practical matter of a home for Annie- if Surma suspected that Anthony would run off when she died, then Annie would need somewhere to live, since her only home before now has been at a hospital. Surma probably figured that the Donlans and Eggers would be able to look after her. 3. Why did Surma choose Anthony? This is a tricky one, since we know absolutely diddly squat about the guy. The answer to this one likely hinges on the (apparently quite complex) backstory, and until we know more about that it's pointless to speculate. Also I kind of remember reading somewhere that Surma and Anthony had little if any contact with the Court or any of their school friends during the years Surma was in the hospital. At the very least, Annie was not particularly aware of her mother's past connection and importance to the Court. Why was that? And is there some connection between that and Surma choosing Anthony over James? Perhaps Surma realized that Anthony would not be a good single parent and thought that it was time to put whatever separated her from the Court behind her for her daughter's sake (or perhaps it would automatically be over with at her death - without knowing what it was, hard to tell).
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Surma
Mar 29, 2009 8:47:01 GMT
Post by warrl on Mar 29, 2009 8:47:01 GMT
You know in which other work eye symbolism is rampant? Blade Runner! Whilst not a bad film, I dislike how it veered from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? -- some very important underlying philosophical questions were left out of the film, in order to cater to society's desire to watch films that provide violent entertainment, rather than provoke deep introspective thought. I'm even more disappointed by how much it veered from the book "Blade Runner" by Nourse - i.e. immediately after the title it took a hard left turn into another universe and never looked back. The studio that did the movie "Blade Runner" had a rights option on the book "Blade Runner" at the time.
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Surma
Mar 31, 2009 20:35:49 GMT
Post by rattenmaus on Mar 31, 2009 20:35:49 GMT
GUYS GUYS! Surma isn't dead, she's alive and lives in Germany. And has become a upholsterer. Or maybe a upholsterer fell in love with her and totally named his business after her. Or something. Have a look: www.flickr.com/photos/rattenmaus/3402701290/Or maybe I'm just a big geek who had to take a picture of this upholstery I pass every once in a while, silently giggling to myself "hurr hurr, it's called Surma". If you're wondering, the text says "Refurbishing upholstered furniture is worth it again".
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Surma
Apr 5, 2009 14:58:15 GMT
Post by Ulysses on Apr 5, 2009 14:58:15 GMT
Look: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=439We see here that Eglamore is away a lot at this point training, and that he and Surma probably have something goin' on. My suspicion is that he was just away too much for Surma. I predict that we'll see a flashback where she tells him she just can't do the whole long-distance thing anymore, which opens the door for the story of how she got together with Anthony. However, if this is true then why would she put up with Anthony's disappearing tricks, which we're told he does quite frequently, and for long periods of time. Either this or Eglamore disappears for a really really long time and nobody knows what's happened! Surma moves on, and by the time Eglamore comes back/is found she's going out with/married to Anthony, perhaps even given birth to Antimony by then.
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Surma
Apr 5, 2009 16:00:45 GMT
Post by Per on Apr 5, 2009 16:00:45 GMT
This has probably been pointed out somewhere, but given how much older Surma looks in that strip compared to the photo days, it seems Surma and Anthony didn't get together until the end of their schooldays, and Surma and Eglamore had been an item (perhaps on and off) for quite some time before that.
Clarification: Which means that if Jim's training was a direct result of his going to Mr Thorn's office, as some speculated, then it wouldn't have resulted in their breakup, as some also speculated, at least not for a long time.
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Surma
Apr 5, 2009 17:06:51 GMT
Post by mjh on Apr 5, 2009 17:06:51 GMT
Look: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=439We see here that Eglamore is away a lot at this point training, and that he and Surma probably have something goin' on. My suspicion is that he was just away too much for Surma. I predict that we'll see a flashback where she tells him she just can't do the whole long-distance thing anymore, which opens the door for the story of how she got together with Anthony. However, if this is true then why would she put up with Anthony's disappearing tricks, which we're told he does quite frequently, and for long periods of time. Actually, we don’t really know that much about Anthony’s “disappearing tricks”. What we do know for certain is that shortly after Surma’s death and Annie’s departure for Gunnerkrigg Court he had quit his job at Good Hope and vanished without a trace. We also know that he used to be notorious for these vanishing acts: “when we were younger, your father had a habit of taking off on his own. Sometimes for months on end, without telling anyone.” (Donald Donlan, www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=104). But only James, who would hardly be impartial, had stipulated that Anthony hasn’t changed. On the other hand, Annie has never mentioned her father being away during her childhood at Good Hope. It is still quite possible that Anthony had turned into a dedicated husband and caring father years ago, and that his disappearance after Surma’s death isn’t due to a supposed character trait that regularly makes him abandon his friends and family. Anyway, from the perspective of the current flashback, all of this is still many years away. At the time, Surma and James don’t seem to be an item just yet, even when they may have a soft spot for each other. We have seen a flashback to Surma’s late teens when they were, so Surma leaving James for Anthony will be even farther into the future (also Reynardine wooing Surma, I suppose). I doubt the current flashback will shed much insight into these later developments.
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Surma
Apr 5, 2009 22:13:07 GMT
Post by orangesodafish on Apr 5, 2009 22:13:07 GMT
Maybe Eglamore was the one who broke up the relationship because he wanted to be chivalrous and protect her or something? Could explain why he has those longing looks when he sees Annie?
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Surma
Apr 8, 2009 15:25:34 GMT
Post by amptramp on Apr 8, 2009 15:25:34 GMT
Umm, New guy here, just finished reading the comic, up to-date now. I was wondering, I keep seeing people mentioning Surma`s accent, I am still wondering what it sounds like, would some one be gracious enough to provide a link.
I figured this thread is as good a place as any to ask.
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Surma
Apr 8, 2009 15:52:35 GMT
Post by yamiredpen on Apr 8, 2009 15:52:35 GMT
Umm, New guy here, just finished reading the comic, up to-date now. I was wondering, I keep seeing people mentioning Surma`s accent, I am still wondering what it sounds like, would some one be gracious enough to provide a link. I figured this thread is as good a place as any to ask. I believe Tom said she has a Barnsley/Yorkshire accent. Here is a youtube video that might give you a good idea of what it sounds like. www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB3ieNhEsDY
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Surma
Apr 8, 2009 21:02:42 GMT
Post by Ulysses on Apr 8, 2009 21:02:42 GMT
Reading some of Surma's lines, I can actually imagine it with a Yorkshire accent. I'd always assumed it was kind of South Londonish, especially the "I bet I had on me serious face!" and "Say that to me face Hyland, I dare ya!", but Yorkshire would be better. Although in Yorkshire "I dare ya!" would probably sound more like "I dare yer!"
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Surma
Apr 8, 2009 23:57:02 GMT
Post by sandjosieph on Apr 8, 2009 23:57:02 GMT
I'm still betting that Anthony filled in the gap that Eggie left when he went off for that Training of his...
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Surma
Apr 9, 2009 0:07:28 GMT
Post by Ulysses on Apr 9, 2009 0:07:28 GMT
Seconded. Tony doesn't seem like the kind of guy that Surma would naturally fall for. Something odd must have happened, perhaps even ... etheric?
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Surma
Apr 9, 2009 4:07:09 GMT
Post by Babble-jargon Bill on Apr 9, 2009 4:07:09 GMT
You can't really base any speculations on anything regarding Tony at this point, since we still know nothing about Anthony. Before we start wondering about how Surma and Tony got together, we ought to know more about the guy. In fact, I think I'll make a list of everything we know about Anthony Carver:
1. He worked as a surgeon at Our Lady of Good Hope Hospital for several years.
2. Shortly after Antimony left for the Court, he quit his job and left without a trace to who knows where.
3. He has matters to attend to.
4. He has never changed his hairstyle in over 10 years.
5. Annie will hear or meet him sometime in about a year and a half from where the comic is know chronologically. Annie will be 15 I think.
And that's about it. Anything else is just a presumption. Personally, I think he must be a cool guy. I mean, if Surma loved him enough to marry him then he must have something going for him.
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Surma
Apr 9, 2009 5:42:28 GMT
Post by orangesodafish on Apr 9, 2009 5:42:28 GMT
Or he could just be her back-up guy.
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